Army isn't linking grenade attack to soldier's Muslim religion

Kait8 News ^ | 3/22/1980 | Unknown

[Michael2001]

Akbar graduated from Locke High School in Los Angeles. He also studied at the Masjid Bilal Islamic Center, a predominantly African American mosque in South-Central Los Angeles.

This guy is not NOI, if he was the mosque he attended would be all African-American.

[Michael2001]

So you think it's just a coincidence that this guy is Muslim?

[Michael2001]

The Army is playing this case smart. They aren't breathing one word of his being a Muslim--because it's completely irrelevant.

How is this irrelevant? We have less than 1% Muslims in our military and the one that attacks our own guys just happens to be a Muslim? It's all a coincidence? I don't know about you, but I have a lot of friends and family over there right now, and I don't sleep well thinking they might have enemies sleeping with them in their tents.

[bray]

Islam-The religion of Pieces!

Pray for GW and Our Troops

[A. Patriot]

It was the Army's political correctness that allowed this gug to get into the army, then to stay in the Army, then to be shipped out to kill his Moslem brothers.

This guy should never have been sent overseas. Now the Army is maintaining its political correctness by denying that this guy's religion had anything to do with his murderous actions. Incredible.

[Poohbah]

How is this irrelevant?

Because this is a criminal act regardless of whether the guy is a Muslim or not.

WHY he did it is irrelevant; the FACT that he did it is.

We have less than 1% Muslims in our military and the one that attacks our own guys just happens to be a Muslim?

Congratulations, you've just made the point--completely unintentionally--that there isn't a big enough base of data for you to draw a conclusion based solely on statistics. Kindly note that (<1% of the Army-1) Muslims have not engaged in such actions.

It's all a coincidence?

I didn't say that--I said it was irrelevant. Kindly learn how to read.

I don't know about you, but I have a lot of friends and family over there right now, and I don't sleep well thinking they might have enemies sleeping with them in their tents.

I probably have more friends over there than you, pal, so kindly either read my post or STFU.

[Poohbah]

If anything, his defense will play the insanity / contientious objector line.

It won't work at all. Conscientious objectors must object to ALL war, not particular ones.

I can easily see his defense stating that he wanted to "opt out of an unjust war against fellow muslims" and that he felt he persued all possible avenues to avoid killing his bretheren.

It will play to the larger world audience but will still buy him a bullet because military criminal justice does not play by the same rules as civil criminal justice.

End result: attorney looks like an idiot, client gets executed.

It will give our foreign and domestic enemies another stone to throw at America.

If they didn't have another one to throw, they'd simply invent one.

[B4Ranch]

This war is costing us an estimated 400 billion bucks. I wonder what type of security system we could setup here in America with that kind of money.

I would imagine we could Xray every piece of cargo that comes off every ship and barge. Inspect every railroad car that comes across our borders. Fully Xray every piece of cargo that enters by air. Put the proper gear in place to track every person who sneaks across our borders and still have enough to buy off Saddams upper staff, perhaps we might even persuade someone to put a .44 round into Saddam's entire family.

$400,000,000,000.00 is one helluva lot of taxpayers dollars. Roughly, we had to earn one trillion bucks for the Feds to be spending the 400 billion and America is still going to be vulnerable to terrorists.

Now if we end up sending the UN to the dump, the men and women who die for this war will be worth it.

That's just my opinion, not worth much, is it?

[Chemist_Geek]

His faith is irrelevant. He should be brought up on charges, and if convicted of murder and attempted murder in a combat zone, executed.

[Michael2001]

So we shouldn't take any measures to stop this from happening again? And when it does, and more Americans are dead, what will you say then?

(BTW I now have doubts whether or not the copter crash was really an "accident". There was a Muslim on board.

[Michael2001]

WHY he did it is irrelevant; the FACT that he did it is.

It is very relevant because we don't want it to happen again.

Congratulations, you've just made the point--completely unintentionally--that there isn't a big enough base of data for you to draw a conclusion based solely on statistics. Kindly note that (<1% of the Army-1) Muslims have not engaged in such actions.

Well I have my doubts, the copter "accident" had a Muslim on board, and we'll never know. Also some of these guys may be smarter than this one was, he hid and confessed after the attack, if he was smart they probably wouldn't have caught him. Furthermore, this war is far from over. I pray that you are right, but I don't trust these guys.

I probably have more friends over there than you, pal, so kindly either read my post or STFU.

I doubt it, but maybe so, I have no intention of getting into a pissing match with you. You have friends over there, are you not worried in the least that someone in their own tent will turn on them? I had a friend e-mail me with this exact concern a few days before fighting broke out. Apparently there is a Muslim in their unit who has some wacky 9/11 conspiracies. I'm hoping the guy he mentioned is a loon and not a terrorist; regardless my friend and his mates are keeping an eye on him.

[B-Cause]

Bump

In time of war. Death or such other punishment as a court-martial may direct.

"P.C."

Fast Court Martial followed by death by firing squad at sunrise tomorrow!

[Poohbah]

Well I have my doubts, the copter "accident" had a Muslim on board, and we'll never know.

Ah, yes.

Drag in unproven conspiracy theories to bolster your case.

Did you know that every single one of those troops on the helicopter had drunk DIHYDROGEN MONOXIDE in the 24 hours prior to the crash? Why, it's obvious that the crash was a product of the DIHYDROGEN MONOXIDE-drinking death cult within our military!

[SarahW]

He's a "bilalian" - The mosque he goes to is Bilal Islamic Center. It's part of the larger, and more orthodox, network of African American mosques known as the American Muslim Mission, which is led by W.D. Muhammad, the son of the black Muslim's founder, Elijah Muhammad.

[KineticKitty]

Yep, seen it time and time again also.

[B4Ranch]

Just received an email

You Don't Say--I "Army: Soldier Suspected of Deadly Grenade Attack on 101st Airborne Had 'Attitude Problem' "--headline, Associated Press, March 23 Sound Familiar? In November the Seattle Times reported on a similar incident, which occurred in the 84h Engineering Company during the Gulf War in 1991: In the first months of that year, the unit was in the Middle East preparing for the ground-attack phase of the Gulf War. The story, according to [retired sergeant Kip] Berentson and at least two other former members of the 84th, was that [John Allen] Muhammad threw a thermite grenade into a tent housing 16 of his fellow soldiers. . . . Berentson was in the tent. He says the grenade went off near him and near a staff sergeant with whom Muhammad had fought earlier that day. The Army's Criminal Investigation Division, Berentson says, concluded Muhammad (then named Williams) was the lead suspect. Muhammad was led away in handcuffs and eventually transferred to another company pending charges. He had been court-martialed twice before for lesser incidents while serving in the Louisiana National Guard. But an indictment over the grenade incident never materialized, and Muhammad's Army file has no record of it. John Allen Muhammad, in case you've forgotten, is the elder of the two Washington sniper suspects. Lest we perpetuate stereotypes, we won't mention his religion either.

[Michael2001]

We have one guy dead, some ten injured. Because of you, and people like you in high levels of government, we will most likely be hit again.

[Poohbah]

We have one guy dead, some ten injured. Because of you, and people like you in high levels of government, we will most likely be hit again.

OK...so, based on the events of 4/19/1995, President Clinton should have ordered all white Christian males ejected out of active service in the US military and IS law enforcement agencies.

[AmericanDave]

"Did the U.S. allow card carrying Nazi Party members to join our forces in WW2? "

No, at least some were deported. I ran into an ex-SS soldier in a Navy pilot hangout bar in SF one time, intresting story. Short: He was born in Detroit, deported in 39, joined SS. Saved some captured allied pilots from execution by his SGT. Rewarded by being used by allies after war ends for demolition and minefield clearing.Survives. Joins U.S. Army for Korean war, gets citizenship back and retires from Army.