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Islam's rules for POWs (Geneva Convention comes second)
News24.com ^ | March 24th, 2003

Posted on 03/24/2003 10:52:02 AM PST by Sabertooth


London - Prisoners of war in Iraqi hands will be treated in accordance with "the teachings of Islam," Iraq's Foreign Minister Naji Sabri told the BBC on Monday.

Sabri, in Egypt to rally Arab governments against what he called US and British "colonialism, neo-colonialism and war," said Islamic principles took precedence over the Geneva Convention.

"First of all, we are committed to the teachings of Islam. We are faithful Muslims. We take care of our prisoners of war in accordance with our teachings of Islam," he told BBC radio's The World At One program.

"We are committed first of all to the teachings of Islam, and second we are committed to the conventions of Geneva in dealing with the prisoners of war," he said.

"We are the people who created law when the grandfathers of Mr Blair and Mr Bush (British Prime Minister Tony Blair and US President George W Bush) were living like animals in the caves," he said.

Sabri left Baghdad under heavy bombardment to travel via Syria to the Egyptian capital Cairo where the 22-nation Arab League was meeting to try and reach consensus over the US-led invasion to oust Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein.

He spoke to the BBC amid US and British outrage that five captured US soldiers had been shown on Iraqi television in a weekend broadcast that also included footage of four US corpses.

Sabri would not comment on military tactics, except to claim that the latest situation was "excellent."


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Sabri, in Egypt to rally Arab governments against what he called US and British "colonialism, neo-colonialism and war," said Islamic principles took precedence over the Geneva Convention.

"First of all, we are committed to the teachings of Islam. We are faithful Muslims. We take care of our prisoners of war in accordance with our teachings of Islam," he told BBC radio's The World At One program.

"We are committed first of all to the teachings of Islam, and second we are committed to the conventions of Geneva in dealing with the prisoners of war," he said.




1 posted on 03/24/2003 10:52:03 AM PST by Sabertooth
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To: CheneyChick; vikingchick; Victoria Delsoul; WIMom; one_particular_harbour; kmiller1k; mhking; ...
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2 posted on 03/24/2003 10:52:39 AM PST by Sabertooth
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To: Sabertooth
Well then, 72 virgins stat for all of them...
3 posted on 03/24/2003 10:54:39 AM PST by ApesForEvolution (Yes, let us allow the economies of gerdung, frunk, mexiztlan, chirushcom and canadastan to wither...)
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To: Sabertooth
If you look in the Quran, it doesn't exactley look to good for POWs, Mohammad wasn't known for his kind treatment for prisoners, but he was known for using force to convert them.
5 posted on 03/24/2003 10:55:45 AM PST by Sonny M (War has never solved anything, except Nazism, Communism, slavery and the holocaust.)
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To: Sabertooth
This is just more of your anti-Muslim propaganda, I'm sure. What's your agenda here? Huh? Huh? ;-)
7 posted on 03/24/2003 10:57:39 AM PST by Sir Gawain
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To: Sir Gawain
What Clash of Civilizations?



8 posted on 03/24/2003 10:58:46 AM PST by Sabertooth
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To: Sabertooth
Do Islamic physicians and surgeons in the US take the Hippocratic Oath first
or their religious promise to murder infidels.
9 posted on 03/24/2003 10:59:37 AM PST by Diogenesis (If you mess with one of us, you mess with all of us.)
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To: Sabertooth
Anyone that has already, or will be, treating any of our POWs in accordance with "the teachings of Islam" will eventually end up being treated by us in accordance with the teachings of Ted Nugent.
10 posted on 03/24/2003 10:59:47 AM PST by Timesink (If you use the word "embedded" in a conversation, you'd better be carrying an x-ray to show me.)
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To: Sabertooth
"We are the people who created law when the grandfathers of Mr Blair and Mr Bush (British Prime Minister Tony Blair and US President George W Bush) were living like animals in the caves," he said.

Yeah, I'm sure the Code of Hammurabi is based on Islam. /s

11 posted on 03/24/2003 10:59:51 AM PST by Maedhros (I have come to the frightening conclusion that I am the decisive element.)
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To: Sonny M
Various teachings of Islam/
Fight and kill those who believe not in Allah nor in the Last Day, for forbid that which has been forbidden by Allah and his messenger (Mohammed), and those who acknowledge not the religion of the truth (Islam) among the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians), fight and kill them until they pay the Joiah (tax), with willing submission and feel themselves subdued." (9:29)
"Then kill the infidel wherever you find them, can capture them and besiege them and lie in wait for them in each and every ambush." (2:191)
"O, you who believe! Take not the Jew and the Christian as friends and protectors; they are not but friends of each other." (5:51)

12 posted on 03/24/2003 10:59:56 AM PST by Raphael
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To: Sabertooth
"We are the people who created law when the grandfathers of Mr Blair and Mr Bush were living like animals in the caves," he said.

I’m not sure, but I think he was complimenting the grandfathers of Bush and Blair for their exemplary behavior and upscale living arrangements, compared to most of the contemporary Islamic world.

13 posted on 03/24/2003 11:00:10 AM PST by dead
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To: Sabertooth
Three words - "war crimes trials." For those lucky enough to survive to stand trial, that is.
14 posted on 03/24/2003 11:00:49 AM PST by Billthedrill
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To: Sabertooth
This could be good or bad.
Bad because the Islamofacist countries will approve.
Good because non-Islamofacist countries would dissapprove. It exposes the Islamofacist quest to convert the UN, or the world, to their rules.
What they're saying is :" Everyone must abide by the laws of Allah, not he laws of the U.N."
15 posted on 03/24/2003 11:03:15 AM PST by concerned about politics (Anti-American protestors are inbread liberal Notsosmartso's.)
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To: Sabertooth
What exactly *is* the principles of Islam with regards to POWs?
16 posted on 03/24/2003 11:03:35 AM PST by Lunatic Fringe (When news breaks, we fix it!)
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To: Sabertooth
I guess this clears up any confusion on how our POWs are being treated.
17 posted on 03/24/2003 11:05:17 AM PST by TADSLOS (Sua Sponte)
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To: Sabertooth
If they keep this up, others will adopt my attitude about is-slime...and it's adherents. They don't want to do that...
18 posted on 03/24/2003 11:05:41 AM PST by neutrino (Oderint dum metuant: Let them hate us, so long as they fear us.)
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To: Sabertooth
Looks like it is time to feed them pork, EVERY meal! Then when we bury any of them, bury them in pork skin, so they don't make it to 72 virgin goat heaven.
19 posted on 03/24/2003 11:06:42 AM PST by Teetop (democrats....... socialist.........whats the difference?)
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To: Lunatic Fringe
What exactly *is* the principles of Islam with regards to POWs?

I'm not sure of the Koranic instructions, but IIRC, rape, torture, and conversion at swordpoint are not without Historical precedent.




20 posted on 03/24/2003 11:08:13 AM PST by Sabertooth
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To: Sabertooth
"We are the people who created law when the grandfathers of Mr Blair and Mr Bush (British Prime Minister Tony Blair and US President George W Bush) were living like animals in the caves," he said

And you are now the people who are cowering in caves, bravely surrounding yourself with women and children like the cowardly scared rabbits that you are.............

21 posted on 03/24/2003 11:09:09 AM PST by DKM
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To: Sabertooth
"We are the people who created law when the grandfathers of Mr Blair and Mr Bush (British Prime Minister Tony Blair and US President George W Bush) were living like animals in the caves," he said

And you are now the people who are cowering in caves, bravely surrounding yourself with women and children like the cowardly scared rabbits that you are.............

22 posted on 03/24/2003 11:09:09 AM PST by DKM
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To: Latina_Abogada
BAPTISE em

Why would you give them such honors....I'm not all that religeous, so no flames please, but I'd just as soon let these barbarians follow their own path South to Muhammed.
23 posted on 03/24/2003 11:11:18 AM PST by Florida_Freeper
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To: Sabertooth
Didn't Saddam claim to be some spin off of Catholocism (sp)? He only became "Muslim" this past year?
Iraq was never considered a Muslim nation, right?
24 posted on 03/24/2003 11:11:26 AM PST by concerned about politics (Anti-American protestors are inbread liberal Notsosmartso's.)
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To: Sabertooth
You mean like:
"The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and his messenger and strive after corruption in the land will be to be killed or crucified, or have their hands and feet and genitals cut off, or to be expelled out of the land. Such will be their humiliation in the world, and in the next world they will face an awful horror." (Koran, 5:33-34)
Hopefully the US can rescue the POWs before it's too late, and if not, I hope someone brings a blow torch and a pair of pliers for Naji Sabri and anyone else involved!!
25 posted on 03/24/2003 11:13:30 AM PST by Lorenb420
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To: concerned about politics
I don't know about that, but I do know that Sodom believes himself to be the reincarnation of King Nebuchadnezzer (sic?).
26 posted on 03/24/2003 11:15:14 AM PST by ApesForEvolution (Yes, let us allow the economies of gerdung, frunk, mexiztlan, chirushcom and canadastan to wither...)
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To: ApesForEvolution
reincarnation of King Nebuchadnezzer (sic?).

Riencarnation is Buddist. Hmmmm. The guys a freak.

27 posted on 03/24/2003 11:17:01 AM PST by concerned about politics (Anti-American protestors are inbread liberal Notsosmartso's.)
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To: Sabertooth
>>...We are the people who created law when the grandfathers of Mr Blair and Mr Bush (British Prime Minister Tony Blair and US President George W Bush) were living like animals in the caves," he said....

HA ha ha ha!!

Well, it looks like the grandchildren have passed the Iraqis and have them about a hundred laps down.

28 posted on 03/24/2003 11:18:11 AM PST by FReepaholic
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To: Sabertooth
Then I say the Geneva Convention should not be of concern to us. Let's follow the Emeril Legasse convention and bury them in pork fat.

Hey, it works for me.
29 posted on 03/24/2003 11:19:12 AM PST by alkiburki
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To: Sabertooth
Interesting read on topic....

http://www.kashmirherald.com/featuredarticle/islamandprisonersofwar.html

Guide to the Perplexed Regarding the Permissibility of Killing Prisoners," which appeared in the column "Jihad News from the Land of the Caucasus".  In this the author suggests that the Islamic religious scholars present five different alternatives, drawn from the various interpretations of the Koran:

1) A polytheist prisoner must be killed. No amnesty may be granted to him, nor can he be ransomed.
2) All infidel polytheists and the People of the Book (i.e., Jews and Christians) are to be killed. They may not be granted amnesty, nor can they be ransomed.
3) Amnesty and ransom are the only two ways to deal with prisoners.
4) Amnesty and ransom are possible only after the killing of a large number of prisoners.
5) The Imam, or someone acting on his behalf, can choose between killing, amnesty, ransom or enslaving the prisoner.
30 posted on 03/24/2003 11:22:08 AM PST by Van Jenerette (Our Republic...If We Can Keep It!)
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To: Van Jenerette
Wonderful. I just hope some Army/AF nuclear weapon specialists are painting the prisoners' names on some tacnukes. 1 for each prisoner killed.

No more mercy and goodness; burn them to the bedrock.

31 posted on 03/24/2003 11:26:16 AM PST by Centurion2000 (We are crushing our enemies, seeing him driven before us and hearing the lamentations of the liberal)
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To: Centurion2000
bump!
32 posted on 03/24/2003 11:47:25 AM PST by proust1
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To: ApesForEvolution
Actually, Saddam is reported to see himself as a modern-day successor to Saladin, the Arab chieftan who threw the Crusaders out of the Holy Land.
33 posted on 03/24/2003 11:48:40 AM PST by RonF
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To: Sabertooth
"We are the people who created law when the grandfathers of Mr Blair and Mr Bush (British Prime Minister Tony Blair and US President George W Bush) were living like animals in the caves," he said.

A very, very special brand of arrogance this a--hole possesses.

34 posted on 03/24/2003 11:52:30 AM PST by brewcrew (It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into. - Jonathan Swift)
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To: Sabertooth
Get Jihad in Light of the Quran and the Hadith. This is an audio CD by a former member of the Muslim Brotherhood who is now a Christian. He quotes directy from the Quran and the Hadith in Arabic and explains the meanings in English. Available from Spear Books.
35 posted on 03/24/2003 11:58:21 AM PST by JeepInMazar (www.answering-islam.org)
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To: Sabertooth
Does the Iraqi version of POW treatment mirror that is espoused on Islamist websites? I have seen a document titled "Rulings on the Permissibility of Executing Prisoners of War." It gives the boys a green light when dealing with us infidels. And since the very secular Saddam has been quoting the Koran to legitimize himself, I guess all those references to "smiting at their necks", etc. also factor into the equation.
Let's roll and get this over.
36 posted on 03/24/2003 12:03:03 PM PST by MadJack
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To: brewcrew
I dunno. Pretty smart move on Sahbri's part, taking a powder into Egypt. Then when things get hot at home he's already on extended diplomatic leave. Yep, no war crimes for him, he wasn't even there! Clever. (sarcasm off now)
37 posted on 03/24/2003 12:04:20 PM PST by Arizona Pard
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To: RonF; ApesForEvolution
Hussein is fond of both Saladin and Nebuchadnezzar. And....

The Rise of Babylon,
by Charles H. Dyer with Angela Elwell Hunt

…Dyer points out Saddam Hussein's own plans to emulate King Nebuchadnezzar as evidenced in a commemorative medal he had cast with the ancient king's profile and his own side by side. In addition to the hanging gardens of Babylon and the unification of the surrounding nations, King Nebuchadnezzar is perhaps most noted for the sacking of Jerusalem and the captivity of the Jewish people.

The author reveals how Hussein's followers already recognize him as today's equivalent of that ancient king:

The tour guide at a reconstructed palace in Babylon described with enthusiasm the restored monument of the ancient city...she got to the throne room and pointed to the empty platform. "This is where the Saddam Hussein had his throne. This is where Saddam Hussein sat," she said, voice rising in pride.

The short, stout woman looked around at the quizzical faces, then caught herself with a nervous laugh. "I mean Nebuchadnezzar... Nebuchadnezzar had his throne here."

LINK

Iraqi stamp issued on "Palestine Day," 1997

Saddam Hussein and Saladin, Islamic captor of Jerusalem
Behind them, is the Dome of the Rock, al-Aqsa Mosque in Jerusalem
Born on April 28, 1937, in Tikrit, the seat of Saladdin Province.

Jerrold Post
Author of Political Paranoia: the Psychopolitics of Hatred
Statement of 12/1990, before the House Armed Services Committee

Inspired by his uncle's tales of heroism in the service of the Arab nation, Saddam has been consumed by dreams of glory since his earliest days. He identifies himself with Nebuchadnezzar, the King of Babylonia who conquered Jerusalem (586 B.C.) and Saladin who regained Jerusalem in 1187 by defeating the Crusaders….

In pursuit of his messianic dreams, there is no evidence he is constrained by conscience; his only loyalty is to Saddam Hussein…

LINK




38 posted on 03/24/2003 12:06:09 PM PST by Sabertooth
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To: brewcrew
Unless I am mistaken the Arabs were still humping camels while the Assyrians and other Mesopotamians were inventing civilization. The Assyrians are now oppressed by the Arabs in Iraq.
39 posted on 03/24/2003 12:07:17 PM PST by Lee Enfield (We'll do it in your name anyway.)
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To: Sabertooth
Would that be the same palace that got renovated by the 6 JDAM's at about 1230 hours (est) last Friday? While the Shiites that live on the east bank of the Tigris were lining the bank on the opposite shore, cheering?
40 posted on 03/24/2003 12:32:22 PM PST by L,TOWM (Liberals, The Other White Meat)
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To: RonF
Actually, Saladin was a Kurd from Tikrit (Saddam's home town--he was born in a village near Tikrit). Saladin retook Jerusalem, but the Crusaders held some places in the Holy Land for about another 100 years (and even regained Jerusalem briefly).

The Kurdish language is written in the Arabic script, but it is an Indo-European language, more closely related to English than to Arabic.

41 posted on 03/24/2003 12:45:12 PM PST by Verginius Rufus
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To: RonF
Saladin wasn't an Arab, but a "despised" Kurd...

the infowarrior

42 posted on 03/24/2003 1:47:27 PM PST by infowarrior
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To: Lorenb420
"The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and his messenger and strive after corruption in the land will be to be killed or crucified, or have their hands and feet and genitals cut off, or to be expelled out of the land. Such will be their humiliation in the world, and in the next world they will face an awful horror." (Koran, 5:33-34)

Where did you get that one from? I have noticed that quotations from the Koran are often falsified - words put in or out. In that case, the mention of cutting off genitals is not in the original text. Here is one standard translation:

The only recompense of those who make war against Allah and His Messenger and who strive hard to create disorder in the land, is (according to the nature of the crime) that they be executed or crucified to death, or that their hands and feet be cut off on account of their opposiiton, or the free movement in land be banned, by exile or imprisonment. This would mean ignominy for them in this world, and there awaits them in the Hereafter a severe punishment.

Different, however, is the case of those who turn with repentance before you overpower them. And know that, surely, Allah is the Great Protector, Ever Merciful.

44 posted on 03/24/2003 3:05:04 PM PST by BlackVeil
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To: Sabertooth
So what's the use of having any treaties with Islamic countries, if they can unilaterally decide at any moment that they don't have to keep their commitments on the grounds that Islamic law supersedes the treaty?
45 posted on 03/24/2003 3:07:59 PM PST by Verginius Rufus
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To: Timesink
Good Response.. :|
46 posted on 03/24/2003 3:08:15 PM PST by skinkinthegrass (Just because your paranoid,doesn't mean they aren't out to get you. :)
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To: dead
I think your right... :)
47 posted on 03/24/2003 3:10:43 PM PST by skinkinthegrass (Just because your paranoid,doesn't mean they aren't out to get you. :)
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To: ApesForEvolution
...reincarnation of King Nebuchadnezzer...

It was Saladin, the Great...I pretty sure.

48 posted on 03/24/2003 3:19:33 PM PST by skinkinthegrass (Just because your paranoid,doesn't mean they aren't out to get you. :)
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To: RonF
Saddam is reported to see himself as a modern-day successor to Saladin Yes, and I wonder how he dares. Saladin was very humane and merciful to his prisoners (they were sorry to leave him) and also to people under his rule. Other Islamic rulers, such as Suleiman the Magnificent, were very cruel to their prisoners, even forcing them to kill each other. Reading out verses of the Koran doesn't give the full picture - it is up to whoever has power to set his own standards.
49 posted on 03/24/2003 3:24:37 PM PST by BlackVeil
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To: Sabertooth
Just wanted to mention that the last picture you posted is a Russian poster saying:

"Thank our dear Stalin and our (communist) party for a happy and joyful youth years."

The similarity of these two evil man is striking.
50 posted on 03/24/2003 3:52:34 PM PST by Silent_Friend
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