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Bush approves nuclear response (If Allied forces are attacked by Chemical Weapons)!
The Washington Times ^ | January 31, 2003 | By Nicholas Kralev

Posted on 03/25/2003 1:17:01 PM PST by vannrox

Edited on 07/12/2004 4:01:59 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

A classified document signed by President Bush specifically allows for the use of nuclear weapons in response to biological or chemical attacks. Apparently changing a decades-old U.S. policy of deliberate ambiguity, it was learned by The Washington Times.

The United States will continue to make clear that it reserves the right to respond with overwhelming force including potentially nuclear weapons to the use of [weapons of mass destruction] against the United States, our forces abroad, and friends and allies, the document, National Security Presidential Directive 17, set out on Sept. 14 last year.


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To: Hodar
Hodar, as a fellow who has also "passed thru the door of no return", I can certainly understand the question which you posed.

That being said, however, in today's political climate, there are "classified" documents (the sort that we signed our lives away for our access and knowledge, the kind that we inventoried numerous times a watch), and "classified" documents which are designed to be "accidently leaked" to the press.

The question we should be asking is " are we willing to back up our words with the blunt-ended black shape being released from the rack, with the cables pulling free, and the drogue 'chute deploying ( a rather beautiful sequence when seen in slo-mo film).

As much as we (our leaders, including the C-in-C) have discussed the "liberation" of of Iraq, I have felt that the option of retaliation if Chembio were used has always been in place. There is no other choice. We can't back down. Once the threat was made from the Iraqis, we had absolutely no other course, than to authorise release under certain circumstances. Green Glass does not kill US Servicepersons, provided they remain clear of the lethal radius, and watch their radiation monitors.

Given the combination of events happening over the last few days, and the irregular force activity, combined with the threat of Nerve agent deployment, we had to be prepared to respond in kind. Any less would be a tremendous loss of credibility.

Keep the Faith for Freedom

Greg

121 posted on 03/25/2003 2:59:19 PM PST by gwmoore (As the original Russian Manual for the Nagant says- target practice "Squad, At The Deserter, FIRE!")
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To: SevenDaysInMay
Sober...& True, With Hillary Clintons' well-known hatred of American values (freedom & self-determination)...1 to 5 year window exists to rid us of this threat...If Hillary is elected, she will make sure America's Children will not have a future w/ freedom...don't think so, look at Cuba and/or North Korea, workers' Paradises.
122 posted on 03/25/2003 3:13:29 PM PST by skinkinthegrass (Just because your paranoid,doesn't mean they aren't out to get you. :)
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To: Ichneumon
The smallest nuclear weapons are only about 10 times as powerful as the truck bomb that took out the federal building in OKC -- enough to lay waste to a city block or 2, but falling off rapidly in destructive effects a few hundred yards away from the blast point.

I can't help but wonder if one of the purposes of MOAB is to provide deniability for the use of small tacnukes....

123 posted on 03/25/2003 3:17:39 PM PST by steve-b
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To: The Vast Right Wing
Do you have any general info on tatical nukes? We know all about large nukes drop over cities, but what size are taticals? How do "leap-frogs" work, and how do we limit fall-out?
124 posted on 03/25/2003 3:19:47 PM PST by HapaxLegamenon
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Nuk'em bump.
125 posted on 03/25/2003 3:28:02 PM PST by blam
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To: vannrox
Nuclear News you *can* use--
126 posted on 03/25/2003 3:38:42 PM PST by backhoe ("Time to kick the tires & light the fires-- Let's Roll!")
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To: steve-b
I'm trying to figure out why we need tactical nukes at all, now that we have conventional bombs of equivalent power.
127 posted on 03/25/2003 3:46:01 PM PST by thoughtomator (Let's Roll!)
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To: Coop
THANKS MR. PRESIDENT!
128 posted on 03/25/2003 3:52:36 PM PST by Hila
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To: The Vast Right Wing
"Tactical nukes on a division, let allah sort em' out."

The cool part is all we'll need is one of those propane powered street sweepers to clean up the remains. Very economical.

V


129 posted on 03/25/2003 3:54:20 PM PST by Beck_isright (V is for VICTORY....Accept nothing less and give no quarter to cowards.)
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To: aShepard
Human interaction would become very risky, and the world economy would grind to a halt, while the smallpox continued to spread. Dire, and uncontrollable.

Nah, we'd just vacinate everyone, which would take some time, but not all that long. The world did get on quite well before the vacine was invented you know. Well, maybe not "quite well", but it got along. The only reason we are vulnerable to smallpox now is that vacination worked so well in the past that the virus died out in wild for lack of vulnerable hosts.

Still, I'm hoping I've got some immunity left from my mid 80s military vacination for smallpox. (I checked my vacination card a couple of months ago, just to be sure when I'd had it)

130 posted on 03/25/2003 3:59:49 PM PST by El Gato
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To: jbind
"There's no way we are going to be the only country ever to use nukes in the history of man unless our territorial integrity, or the existence of a first tier ally is threatened."

Hmm, don't look now but we already are. We are the only country to use nukes in anger for any reason. Wiped out two cities we did, at a time when neither our territorial integrity nor the existance of any ally was so threatened.

Saddam and his underlings should contemplate that fact before using WMDs on our troops. Don't Mess with the US, is the lesson to be (re)learned.

131 posted on 03/25/2003 4:04:46 PM PST by El Gato
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To: SJSAMPLE
You can't nuke Baghdad just because some battalion commander got frisky with Sarin or VX.

Probably not, but you can and should nuke that battalion with an appropriate sized weapon.

132 posted on 03/25/2003 4:06:31 PM PST by El Gato
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To: rwfromkansas
We could pull our troops back. The Iraqis will think we're retreating. Then we hit them with a little nuke.
133 posted on 03/25/2003 4:07:29 PM PST by virgil
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To: CCWoody
And these Fuel Air Bombs

Neither MOAB nor the older Daisy Cutter are FAEs.

134 posted on 03/25/2003 4:15:47 PM PST by El Gato
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To: steve-b
The people in the field who would have to "push the button" to carry out such an order are not in that position -- they're ordinary officers who have a reasonable hope of mercy if captured... unless they commit this war crime.

Not really, they're all Republican Guard or Special Republican guard officers, and already set for war crimes trials.

135 posted on 03/25/2003 4:17:22 PM PST by El Gato
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To: thoughtomator
I'm trying to figure out why we need tactical nukes at all, now that we have conventional bombs of equivalent power.

We don't. At best the MOAB is somewhat less powerfull than the puniest nuke. Fuel Air Explosvies and hyperbaric bombs also don't come close.

136 posted on 03/25/2003 4:18:52 PM PST by El Gato
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To: SevenDaysInMay
The key to world domination is to drag it down. That's why we have to stop them before they get the chance to take us down to the level where they have the advantage. The purges of communism, the attacks on the rich by the Democrats, the terrorists' various actions, all are of a kind.

It's a never-ending struggle, since every generation seeks to recreate the world in their own image.
137 posted on 03/25/2003 4:21:36 PM PST by P.O.E. (God Bless and keep safe our troops.)
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To: Aggie Mama
Exactly. There's no point in having nukes if there isn't a credible belief that they'll be used. But I don't see the wisdom in using nukes on battalion-sized units, when those units will be close enough to ours for the fallout and other effects to hit our troops, too. The US Army experimented with battlefiend nukes and, though they were fielded, we knew that their use in close proximity was prohibitive.
138 posted on 03/25/2003 4:30:46 PM PST by SJSAMPLE
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To: vannrox
"He sends one of yours to the hospital, you send one of his to the morgue, that's the American way"! To paraphrase a great movie line.

I would never make light of this somber declaration, but it must be made clear to these idiots that we mean business when it comes to these types of nasty, dirty, indicriminent weapons. Chemical and biological weapons can kill and destroy many innocents especially in a wind swept terrain like the deserts of Iraq. A tactical nuclear weapon, used by trained professionals can actually be much more effective, and much safer (if there is such a thing). The design of that weapon is a confined reaction over a measured target with little "fall out". They would most likely be hydrogen war heads that produce much less radioactive fallout and a much higher heat and percussion effect. The warheads are small and have been calculated, many times over, to cover a specific amount of ground. Their range of contamination has been engineered into the weapon, because they were made to use in battlefield conditions.

If they use any WMD on us we can lay waste to the Republican Guard around Bagdad in a heart beat, and the residence of Bagdad will not be harmed in any way, but they will be treated to a Billion dollar fireworks show, and an Imodium moment. We are the ones that worked the engineering for all these years (during the cold war) for the use of these weapons. All you ever heard about was the huge ballistic missles that would destroy large cities and lay waste to continents. Well, we have them too, but we have a real advantage, and we always have, over any enemy with the little, surgical, tactical nuclear warheads.

As few a 6 to 8 tactical nuclear weapons detonated over the Repulican Guard around the city of Bagdad would wipe them out, to the man, and cause little contamination (long term) to the area of detonation. Further they would cause little contamination to the city of Bagdad and no "deadly" contamination to the area. The radiation levels would be twice background for a few days (depending on the wind) but well within the load a human or animal could bear in a one exposure dose.

The point in this "rant" is this. A tactical nuclear weapon is far from the ballistic missle of indiscriminent mass destruction, it is surgical, and accurate, but it must only be used when we are forced to use it. Therefore, the President has made the correct, and logical decision. If they use chemical or biological weapons, they will be met with a tactical nuclear attack.

There is another reason that this is logical. If chemical and biologic agents are released the contamination could kill many times fold. To neutralize this contamination heat is the most efficient. The extreme heat from a nuclear reaction kills any biologic threat, and that same extreme heat disassembles chemical molecules into their basic components, rendering them harmless. To take out the enemy and sterilize the contamination at the same time.

These are awesome weapon systems, they sould be used ONLY in the event of attack by the enemy of equally devastating weapons. That's simply what our President just said.

Amen, GW, kick their butts!

139 posted on 03/25/2003 4:42:40 PM PST by timydnuc (FR)
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To: vannrox
The implication is (?) that we have already moved tactical nukes into the theatre(?)

Question marks because I am uncertain as to the implication and seek enlightenment.

--Boris

140 posted on 03/25/2003 5:54:09 PM PST by boris (Education is always painful; pain is always educational)
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