Posted on 03/25/2003 3:11:34 PM PST by Pokey78
It is a great unanswered question of the war and one we Americans don’t want answered. How much will America be willing to suffer? What kind of losses will America accept and absorb, if it comes to that?
It is on our minds, more so since the war has turned hard, but it’s not what Americans are discussing. The war has just begun; you don’t go on to the field at Gettysburg chattering about likely losses and the impact back home. You go in committed to the fight and confident of victory. To speak of possible high losses seems fear-mongering, alarmist, lacking in faith. No one in the United States has said the word bodybags since before the fighting began.
The world has for some time assumed that America cannot, or will not, accept widespread casualties if the fight proves brutal and bloody. President Saddam Hussein obviously thinks that with enough difficulties and enough deaths America will fold, as it did in Somalia and Lebanon, and retreat. And of course there was Vietnam.
The international assumption is that Vietnam showed that modern America is incapable of accepting heavy battlefield losses, no matter how just or legitimate the conflict. But this cliché demands examination. For ten years of the Vietnam War, from 1964 to 1974, America showed it could take bodybags — every day. Fifty thousand of them in all. I remember each Friday night on local TV they would show the high school photos of the New York area boys who died that week. They all had short hair, high cheekbones and big smiles, and it gave you a feeling of emptiness and disorder to see their pictures roll across the screen.
America did turn against the war and its ravages, but the reason was not only those pictures. America’s political leadership was badly split, and even those who championed the war’s prosecution spent its last years in desperate pursuit of a negotiated way out. One by one America’s parents decided that they weren’t going to let their son become the last American to die for an inadequate political settlement.
Bodybags were only part of the story. A lack of confidence in our leaders and growing ambivalence about the justice of our position were the other parts.
After Vietnam the American military establishment began to press for new preconditions of war. They would insist that political backing for any military action be real, clear and sustainable; that military planning include exit strategies in case of insupportable disaster; and that America go into any conflict with full and ferocious force. Thus the heavy bombing, the highly technologised fighting force, the highly trained specialists that we see on the news every night. (There is some debate about whether the initial US onslaught was full and ferocious enough. But after six days our troops are closing on Baghdad, which suggests the first moves were neither weak nor wet.)
The idea was that if you go in with overwhelming force, victory will beat the bodybags home. All of which is understandable as strategy; but it has also tended to support the assumption that Americans can’t take battlefield losses; that they’ve grown soft and unused to suffering; that ultimately they don’t want to pay a price.
What is the truth? The truth is no one knows. Those in the US Administration do not know. They can’t go to a mall and ask: “By the way, would a thousand deaths be all right with you? Would five thousand?” When Paul Wolfowitz was pushed by The New York Times, the Deputy Defence Secretary, a prime and early supporter of an invasion, said: “In the end, it has to come down to a careful weighing of things we can’t know with precision, the costs of action versus the costs of inaction, the costs of inaction now versus the costs of inaction later.”
The American people themselves are not sure exactly what as a nation they would be willing to sustain and accept. How could they be? It will be a day-by-day decision. And different parts of the country will likely offer different answers on different timetables. If you asked the question, “What kind of losses can America accept?” down South, where Americans are both sweeter and tougher, the answer might likely be, “Well it’s a war, and war is hell, and in war you gotta do what’s needed to be done.” That would probably be the consistent response from George Bush’s Republican base: we can take a lot to do what’s right. And those last four words — “to do what’s right” — are the key to the answer.
The novelist Tom Clancy, a great respecter of the military and appreciator of Americans, told me: “The American people are the same people they were in 1942.” We can take losses, he said, we are just as tough as ever. But “there has to be a good reason. The people will accept what’s necessary but not what isn’t.” Meaning the American people will suffer through and accept if they believe the war is needed and America’s position is right.
It may be that America will find out how high a price it is willing to pay to oust Saddam and pacify Iraq. Hopes for an end to war that comes sooner rather than later — and with minimal loss rather than maximum — continue, and with good reason. But it may be turning tough indeed, and the words Bloody Baghdad may be about to become famous.
My own hunch is that Americans are more patient, persevering and accepting of pain than we know. We found that out on 9/11, and we may be about to find it out again. But Americans are practical. They all know how to do a cost-benefit analysis. They will be patient, persevering and willing to absorb pain as long as they feel they can win and are winning. They will accept bodybags as part of the price of victory, but not for a second will they accept them if they start to see evidence of defeat.
The author is a contributing editor of The Wall Street Journal
Debate on this article at comment@thetimes.co.uk
More like 9 out of 10 Americans love their country and give a third of their wealth to a government that not only piss away their money but their life blood too, all in the name of safety.
We all work over half our lives for the government. That's every other day, or from January thru July.
It depends on your long term goals. If you expect to stay a while, then you have to consider how to win the hearts and minds of the population against a regime using them as hostages. If you don't win over the population, then it's quite possible to have more body bags in the long run.
Why do you say that?
Interesting question seeing as how the left stopped airing footage of the WTC attack within a matter of days and all of the carnage footage/shots was censored in America. The reason given is that it would do TOO MUCH to provoke Americans to want revenge.
Since they would not show us any of those bodies (also with the "respect" due the dead people) then I certainly don't want Big Media showing me dead American soliders and dead/injured Iraqi civilians and children.
They play a propaganda game and don't seek to inform the public of anything that couldn't just be "said".
Earth to Peggy: Don't get your panties in a knot!
Only leftists like yourself continue to under estimate the will of the US militaty and the US people. Take your medication and when you wake up it will be a whole new day.
She must not have spoken to any liberals lately, they can barely stop salivating over losses and bodybags long enough to badmouth the tax cut.
Peggy Noonan? A leftist? Ronald Reagan's speechwriter a leftist?
She is a wonderful lady, a brilliant writer, and a conservative.
Doesn't sound right to me. I think is was someone scaremongering.
I noticed several media folks talking about the Pew poll that was taken after that particularly brutal day we had. The 'american people' were pessimistic about the outcome of the war. Should anyone be surprised at those poll results? The 24 hour cable cycle had been beating those negative stories for the entire day! Of course folks would be wary after a day like that. What we have to do is look at the whole, not just the parts.
Everyone is making the assumption that our boys are not trained for urban warfare. On the contrary, since the debacle in Mogadishu, they've been training hard for that possibility.
Atrocities like 9/11 give us steel in the backbone. Unfortunately, the tempering comes at a high, high sacrifice. Executing POWS, raping our military only serve to steel us again.
Yes, chemical and urban warfare are possibilities in the future. Wringing hands and discussing them ad nasuem will do no good. Instead I will pray for the troops and the leaders. I will pray that barbarians will be brought to justice and leave the mode of justice to the Lord.
I love the quote by Clancy. It is worth putting here:
The novelist Tom Clancy, a great respecter of the military and appreciator of Americans, told me: “The American people are the same people they were in 1942.” We can take losses, he said, we are just as tough as ever. But “there has to be a good reason. The people will accept what’s necessary but not what isn’t.” Meaning the American people will suffer through and accept if they believe the war is needed and America’s position is right.
LOL! You've noted the beauty, wonder and weirdness of Peggy's columns. They are emotional roller coasters.
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