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[Barf Alert: ORANGE] -- "Bush's Peril: Shifting Sand and Fickle Opinion"
New York Times ^ | Mar 30, 2003 | R. W. APPLE Jr.

Posted on 03/30/2003 3:09:28 PM PST by The Raven

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March 30, 2003

Bush's Peril: Shifting Sand and Fickle Opinion

By R. W. APPLE Jr.

WASHINGTON, March 29 — Though the scion of a family steeped in politics and public service, George W. Bush remains a young president who came to the White House with relatively limited knowledge of the world and its ills. Yet for two years he has ridden high in public esteem, thanks to confident leadership after Sept. 11 and a surer political touch than his detractors give him credit for.

Is his luck about to turn in the winds and sands of Iraq?

It is quite true, as administration officials say with metronomic regularity, that coalition forces have scored singular successes in the early days of the war, and it is too early to rule out a speedy conclusion. But there have been military surprises and diplomatic shortfalls.

With every passing day, it is more evident that the failure to obtain permission from Turkey for American troops to cross its territory and open a northern front constituted a diplomatic debacle. With every passing day, it is more evident that the allies made two gross military misjudgments in concluding that coalition forces could safely bypass Basra and Nasiriya and that Shiite Muslims in southern Iraq would rise up against Saddam Hussein.

Already, the commander of American ground forces in the war zone has conceded that the war that they are fighting is not the one they and their officers had foreseen. "Shock and awe" neither shocked nor awed.

Other potential perils lie ahead. Among senior Washington political figures of both parties, four are mentioned most, as follows:

The war could last so long that the American public loses patience, having been conditioned by predictions from American officials (to quote one of them, Vice President Dick Cheney) that Mr. Hussein's government would prove to be "a house of cards." This has not happened yet; the polls indicate that nearly three of four Americans remain unshaken in their support of Mr. Bush's war policies, despite surprises on the battlefield. The White House believes that public patience, often fickle in recent years, was fortified by 9/11.

Street-by-street fighting in the rubble of Baghdad and other cities — an eventuality that American strategists have long sought to avoid — now looks more likely. Mr. Hussein's aides have promised savage resistance. If it materializes, it could produce large coalition casualties, challenging American resolve, and equally large Iraqi civilian casualties, with dire consequences for the coalition's attempt to picture itself as the liberator of Iraq. A heart-rending picture of a wounded 2-year-old was widely published today after a Baghdad market was ripped apart by an explosion Iraqi officials attributed to a coalition bomb.

Saddam Hussein could escape, denying the war effort a definitive totem of victory. It sounds improbable, given the terrifying array of force available to the coalition, but other notorious figures remain at large despite intensive manhunts, including the wartime Bosnian Serb leader Radovan Karadzic and the Qaeda mastermind, Osama bin Laden.

The hunt for weapons of mass destruction could prove futile — a development that would make the war look like a wild-goose chase.

Of course, all that is a worst case prognosis. As the war in Afghanistan showed, hard military slogging can give way suddenly to victory. But will victory in Iraq take the shape the United States so badly needs?

Mr. Hussein seems to have decided that he can turn this war into Vietnam Redux. He appears willing to take casualties and to give away territory to gain time. Over time, his strategy implies, he thinks he can isolate the United States and build a coalition of third world nations. Already he is seen as less of an ogre and more of a defender of Islamic honor across the Arab world.

Most Republicans radiate confidence in not only military but also political and diplomatic success.

The longtime Republican pollster Robert Teeter said recently, "If we've gotten rid of Saddam and stabilized Iraq, then things will look pretty good." Secretary of Defense Donald H. Rumsfeld, steadfast in his argument that that is precisely what will happen, told the naysayers on Friday that "it's a bit early for history to be written."

Democrats are more dubious.

"Saddam won't win," said Richard C. Holbrooke, the former United States representative at the United Nations. "Unlike L.B.J. in Vietnam, Bush won't quit. He's a different kind of Texan. He'll escalate and keep escalating. In the end his military strategy will probably succeed in destroying Saddam.

"But it may result in a Muslim jihad against us and our friends. Achieving our narrow objective of regime change may take so long and trigger so many consequences that it's no victory at all. Our ultimate goal, which is promoting stability in the Middle East, may well prove elusive."

Mr. Bush came to office determined, by his own account, not to swagger and not to overreach. "If we're an arrogant nation, they'll resent us," he said in the second presidential debate against Al Gore in 2000. "If we're a humble nation but strong, they'll welcome us." That was a promise to check hubris at the door, an effort to guard against the temptation to believe that because he had such awesome power at his fingertips, he could and should use it to achieve grandiose objectives.

Like remaking a chaotic region in our own democratic image.

The very term "shock and awe" has a swagger to it, no doubt because it was intended to discourage Mr. Hussein and his circle. But it rings hollow now, and there are other signs of overconfidence. A reserve officer was told some time ago, for example, that he would be needed as part of a provisional government in Baghdad, on March 28.

For the moment, Mr. Bush seems secure. People like him. None of his possible Democratic opponents loom as a major threat, not so far.

Still, for presidents, especially for wartime leaders, political capital can drain quickly from the White House account. After the guns fall silent, voters' eyes turn elsewhere, often to social and economic needs. It happened to Winston Churchill late in World War II, and as this president remembers better than most, it happened to his father, too.


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This is soooooo funny. They (the libs) --- determine themselves what is perfect news coverage (eg ABC News)....Oh never mind...I can't even type.
1 posted on 03/30/2003 3:09:28 PM PST by The Raven
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To: The Raven
You are right...I used to be so angered by this kind of print! Now it has become so comical...write on, you libs, write on.
2 posted on 03/30/2003 3:13:54 PM PST by biss5577
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To: The Raven
Saddam won't win," said Richard C. Holbrooke, the former United States representative at the United Nations. "Unlike L.B.J. in Vietnam, Bush won't quit. He's a different kind of Texan. He'll escalate and keep escalating. In the end his military strategy will probably succeed in destroying Saddam.

At last it is starting to dawn on them the kind of solid character that comprises GW Bush.

Character scares Democrats.

3 posted on 03/30/2003 3:16:04 PM PST by I still care (All evil needs to prosper is that good men do nothing)
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To: The Raven
Now that R.W. "Quagmire" Apple has weighed in, I suddenly feel better about the war effort.
4 posted on 03/30/2003 3:18:18 PM PST by Maximum Leader (run from a knife, close on a gun)
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To: The Raven
and as this president remembers better than most, it happened to his father, too.

Like the stock market, president Bush has seen his high-water mark in popularity, from here on out there will only be lower lows and like his father he will be replaced next election.

5 posted on 03/30/2003 3:18:28 PM PST by TightSqueeze (From the Department of Homeland Security, sponsors of Liberty-Lite, Less Freedom! / Red Tape!)
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To: The Raven
R.W. Apple- I didn't even realize that this stupid old Commie was still alive. Too bad.
6 posted on 03/30/2003 3:18:29 PM PST by RANGERAIRBORNE
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To: The Raven
"Our ultimate goal, which is promoting stability in the Middle East, may well prove elusive."

What gave Holbrooke the impression that we're "promoting stabilty in the Middle East."

I thought we were promoting a complete meltdown of the demonic Islamist hellhole it has become.

7 posted on 03/30/2003 3:18:54 PM PST by angkor
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To: The Raven
Barf alert ORANGE"

I LOVE it. Can't read the article I am out of antiemetics. But thanks for posting.

8 posted on 03/30/2003 3:19:54 PM PST by RLJVet
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To: The Raven
For the record, somebody should find and post what Apple wrote about Afghanistan at a comparable point in that action.

It was pretty much the same piece, as I recall. Only the placenames and dateline have changed.

Ironically, it was published on the very day Mazar-al-Sharif fell...and the Taliban was set to rout.

A visionary Apple ain't...

9 posted on 03/30/2003 3:21:16 PM PST by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE.)
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To: okie01
Apple would have really enjoyed WWll, what a old fool
10 posted on 03/30/2003 3:26:49 PM PST by bybybill (first the public employees, next the fish and, finally, the children)
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To: The Raven
R. W. Apple was the fellow who accused Bush of cowardice for not promptly flying back to the White House on 9/11.

He is a scumbag.
11 posted on 03/30/2003 4:22:12 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: The Raven
"Is his luck about to turn"

"we hope, we hope, we hope", says the NYT!!!
12 posted on 03/30/2003 4:23:25 PM PST by CyberAnt
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To: The Raven
The media is doing everything in it's power to turn the public's opinion on President Bush. They are working overtime under their self appointed leader Peter Arnett to put doubt in the minds of the citizens here and abroad about his ability to lead this country in war, economics, and spiritually. (He is just too religious you know, why, he actually claims to read that Bible that Bill Clinton just used to carry around for effect!)
I never thought I would see the day that the press would abuse it's power to this extent. This is frightening.
13 posted on 03/30/2003 4:27:04 PM PST by ladyinred
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To: Maximum Leader
Could, could, could, could, could,..........

one almost feels sorry for them, NOT.
14 posted on 03/30/2003 4:29:50 PM PST by tet68 (Jeremiah 51:24 ..."..Before your eyes I will repay Babylon for all the wrong they have done in Zion")
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To: The Raven
As the war in Afghanistan showed, hard military slogging can give way suddenly to victory.

I see that Apple is not about to repeat his "we're stuck in a quagmire" silliness from the Afghan campaign.

Instead he treats us to a list of "things that might go wrong." For some reason he does not seem to envision that anything might go well. But then, his agenda is to demoralize anyone he can trick into reading his drivel, so I guess that's not a surprise.

Although Apple would like us to think that he knows what he's talking about, or is some kind of expert on these things, he is clearly just flapping his gums. He tells us that the term Shock and Awe was "intended to discourage Mr. Hussein and his circle," when in fact it is the title of a book published in 1996, long before any of this was envisioned.

Apple is certainly pompous enough, but he is also ignorant.


15 posted on 03/30/2003 4:50:25 PM PST by Nick Danger (More rallys planned! www.freerepublic.net)
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To: Howlin; Miss Marple
The media has decided this war is lost, President Bush is a one termer because of it and that the public won't stand much longer.

All this and we haven't even begun to attack Baghdad and Saddam at his various homes. The troops are at his door now so phase two or the attack on Baghdad will begin soon. The media know it alls act as if we can't defeat the Iraqis in the city.... It maybe a tough task but with the arsenal we have at out disposal I don't think we can be denied. It maybe at a higher cost than anticipated...
16 posted on 03/30/2003 4:57:46 PM PST by deport
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To: deport
AAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRGGGGHHHHH !!!!!

DO NOT WATCH MS-NBC. THEY ARE ..., sorry but words fail me.

They were just interviewing the leader of the air campaign in Bosnia. The interview questions were designed to raise an 'issue' between Frank and Rumsfeld. They are trying to claim that Rumsfeld did not give Frank the troops he desired for the war (otherwise it would be over already).

They completely overlooked the obvious that 4ID was supposed to be in Turkey before the war and should be on the north side of Baghdad right now IF IT WERE NOT FOR THE TURKS DOUBLE DEALING.

Are these media folks morons or traitors?

(And the general was not much better, because he did not tell them NO, STOP BEING STUPID.)

17 posted on 03/30/2003 5:24:28 PM PST by Pikachu_Dad
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To: Pikachu_Dad
The media is all over the place, some more accurate and reasonable than others. But if you don't watch a little from them you never know what they are plotting or promoting.....


Off topic..... Is the NHRA race track still in LaPlace? I used to go there many many years ago....
18 posted on 03/30/2003 5:30:27 PM PST by deport
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To: okie01
For the record, somebody should find and post what Apple wrote about Afghanistan at a comparable point in that action. It was pretty much the same piece, as

New York Times ^ | Wednesday, October 31, 2001 | By R. W. APPLE Jr.

Quagmire Recalled: Afghanistan as Vietnam
By R. W. APPLE Jr.

WASHINGTON, Oct. 30 — Like an unwelcome specter from an unhappy past, the ominous word "quagmire" has begun to haunt conversations among government officials and students of foreign policy, both here and abroad.

Could Afghanistan become another Vietnam? Is the United States facing another stalemate on the other side of the world? Premature the questions may be, three weeks after the fighting began. Unreasonable they are not, given the scars scoured into the national psyche by defeat in Southeast Asia.

For all the differences between the two conflicts, and there are many, echoes of Vietnam are unavoidable. Today, for example, Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld disclosed for the first time that American military forces are operating in northern Afghanistan, providing liaison to "a limited number of the various opposition elements."

Their role sounds suspiciously like that of the advisers sent to Vietnam in the early 1960's, although Mr. Rumsfeld took pains to say of the anti-Taliban forces that "you're not going to send a few people in and tell them they should turn right, turn left, go slower, go fast." The Vietnam advisers, of course, were initially described in much the same terms, and the government of the day vigorously denied that they were a prelude to American combat troops.

In the most famous such denial, Lyndon B. Johnson vowed that he would not send American boys in to fight the war for Vietnamese boys.

Despite the insistence of President Bush and members of his cabinet that all is well, the war in Afghanistan has gone less smoothly than many had hoped. Not that anyone expected a lightning campaign without setbacks; indeed, both Mr. Bush and Mr. Rumsfeld have often said the effort would be long and hard.

But signs of progress are sparse. A week ago, the Pentagon said the military capacity of Taliban leaders in Afghanistan had been "eviscerated" by allied bombing raids; now ranking officials describe those leaders as "tough characters" who remain full of fight. The sole known commando sortie into enemy territory produced minimal results and ample evidence that American intelligence about the Taliban is thin.

The Northern Alliance, whose generals bragged for weeks that it was about to capture the pivotal city of Mazar-i-Sharif, has failed to do so. Nor have its tanks made any progress toward Kabul, the capital. Abdul Haq, the Afghan soldier to whom many had looked to unify anti-Taliban factions, was captured and killed by his enemies almost as soon as he returned to the country.

etc blah blah blah

19 posted on 03/30/2003 5:37:53 PM PST by Capt. Tom
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To: RANGERAIRBORNE
>>I didn't even realize that this stupid old Commie was still alive.

Oh...I didn't know his reputation proceeded him. That explains part of it.
20 posted on 03/30/2003 5:42:12 PM PST by The Raven
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