Code Red would trigger a virtual lockdown

http://www.post-gazette.com/nation/20030330codered0330p6.asp ^ | March 30, 2003 | Michael Collins

[HowBoutThemCowboys]

WASHINGTON -- National landmarks such as the Washington Monument, Ellis Island and the Gateway Arch in St. Louis could be shut down.

Planes could be grounded, trains could stop running, and bridges and tunnels could be closed. U.S. borders might be sealed off, and roadblocks might be set up on interstates and other major highways.

[SamAdams76]

I get the impression that we will not be in Code Red unless something has actually already happened.

[apackof2]

U.S. borders might be sealed off,

This should NOT take a Red Alert!

[archy]

I've received my own *hip-pocket* contingency orders in the event of a Code Red designation.

I have a pretty good idea of what it would take to trigger it, and we most certainly do NOT want to go there.

-archy-/-

[Libertarian4Bush]

"Some schools have plans to lock down their facilities during Code Red and already have begun advising parents not to rush to pick up their children."

WHAT?!? will they not be ALLOWED? is THAT it? no way, nah uh.

[WhiteGuy]

I'n just wondering..........

once the government declares "code red".........

what is the trigger that turns it back off?

[Betteboop]

Yes, we have contingency plans to keep the kids for up to 72 hours. Our school district has laid in supplies of peanut butter, jelly (no bread) crackers, cereals (no milk) and other carbs (not Atkins diet friendly). As staff members, we are more concerned about adequate deodorant for 1400 high school students in a lockdown situation!!

We were also told that if parents want to pick up their kids, they can--they will have to deal with police, etc, who don't want them on the roads at that time.

[Gunslingr3]

U.S. borders might be sealed off,

This should NOT take a Red Alert!

All it takes is a President Kruschev...

[sarasmom]

Welcome to FR.
WOW, martial law in a national emergency situation?
Who would have thunk-DUh.

[Bars4Bill]

National landmarks such as the Washington Monument, Ellis Island and the Gateway Arch in St. Louis could be shut down.

Security was tightened at eight high-profile landmarks, including the Washington Monument, the Liberty Bell pavilion and the Statue of Liberty, after Sept. 11 because they are symbols of democracy and are thus potential terrorist targets, Barna said.

Ridiculous. Those are not al Qaeda-type targets. Islaminazis want maximum civilian and government casualties, and an attack on any of those "symbols of democracy" is not worth their efforts. The above are more likely to be attacked by our own leftist "anti-war" scum.

[Free Vulcan]

The school lockdown thing is a bit much, grandiose plans of power and domination by lefty school officials.

This whole thing could be scary under another Clinton.

[Timesink]

We were also told that if parents want to pick up their kids, they can--they will have to deal with police, etc, who don't want them on the roads at that time.

It saddens me to say it, but it sounds like if we ever go Code Red, there are going to be a number of dead law enforcement officers as a result. And they're going to be killed by Americans told things like "No, you can't go get your kids." "No, you can't go get food," etc. The citizenry will put up with this sort of thing for a while in response to a direct threat, say an overturned train leaking deadly chemical gasses half a mile away. They will NOT accept orders to "stay in place" simply because some local sheriff or state "homeland security officer" they've never heard of has issued an "order." The results will be similar, though on a lesser scale, to the predictions made on FR every single day during the Clinton years when the various tinfoilers thought The Big Gun Grab was just days away (for two or three solid years). Citizen will be challenged/threatened by gung-ho cop/trooper/soldier; citizen will shoot to kill.

Oh, and for any DHS/FBI lurkers: I don't even own a gun, and have so many connections to law enforcement where I live I'll be able to go whereever I want even if someone manages to invent Code Black, so go look somewhere else for a "potential problem." I'm simply making a sad prediction.

[Timesink]

WASHINGTON -- National landmarks such as the Washington Monument, Ellis Island and the Gateway Arch in St. Louis could be shut down.

I dunno about those three things, but the Statue of Liberty was closed down on 9/11 and remains closed to this day, with no plans to EVER reopen it. You can still take a ferry to Liberty Island, but once you get there, all you can do is stand on the grass and stare at it.

[thepitts]

In other words...martial law.

[Dalite]

E.O. 12919 will give a good idea on the preparations that have been made, spanning over 2 decades, for "Continuity of Government" .

I think it gives a fair outline what the plan may become, if a State of Emergency is declared (12 USCS 95b [3/9/33]) and Martial Law is invoked...

[Beck_isright]

I don't have a "code red" contigency order, but I do have blued and stainless; does that count?

I concur with you, I have a damn good idea what will trigger it, and it's going to happen, I just don't know when.

V

[StriperSniper]

The citizenry will put up with this sort of thing for a while in response to a direct threat, say an overturned train leaking deadly chemical gasses half a mile away. They will NOT accept orders to "stay in place" simply because some local sheriff or state "homeland security officer" they've never heard of has issued an "order."

I'm simply making a sad prediction.

It would be sad if it happened in the first couple hours, after that, it would be sad if there were not enough citizens with nads left to defy any "order" without a specific tangible threat.

[MileHi]

Sorry, but an NEA school can't keep my son. The nice thing is, except for the "resorce officer", no one there will be able to do $hit to keep me from getting him.

[Ipberg]

Code Red would mean I'm unemployed here in Calgary, Alberta as I work for an exporter to the United States. I hope Code Red isn't necessary but if it comes, just means I'll have to find another job I guess.

[poet]

Hello, I'm from the gov't and I'm here to help you, We know that ALL of our previous alerts fell flat, however, we just testing the water to see how long we can keep the American people on edge. We know that the last orange alert turned to be a hoax perpetrated on us. Let us build a fence around you so we can provide for your continued safety, however, you have to give up your liberty and freedom. We know that deep down you would rather be "safe" in the arms of big governemnt which is why we devised the cleverly disguised
P.a.t.r.i.o.t. Act, which by the way, is an acronym for Providing Appropiate Tools to Resist and Obstruct Terrorism.

We figured that using the acronym "Patriot" would make acceptable to the American people and it is even though a section of it has no expriation date, but, not to worry, you can trust us.

[mvpel]

If they can't keep him, why put him there in the first place? ;-)

[nanny]

I suspect this just means they will close the gates - not the real crossings.

[Dan from Michigan]

I have my own Code Red plans, and will execute them as I see fit. In short, stay out of my way, since I'm not a threat to you unless you are a threat to me.

[Centurion2000]

I've received my own *hip-pocket* contingency orders in the event of a Code Red designation.

I have a pretty good idea of what it would take to trigger it, and we most certainly do NOT want to go there.

So what could do it ??

Smallpox ?
Nuclear detonation ?

Or worse ?

[FreeFireBorderZone]

What a farce. Have to suffer a massive attack before the illegals are stopped. Defend our language borders and culture without apology.

[blam]

"I'll be able to go whereever I want even if someone manages to invent Code Black."

Don't think so. The citizen militia will be manning the roadblocks in my area.

[Sonny M]

I'm not positive about this, but I imagine one of the reasons a school might tell parents not to pick up there kids would be because the police and emergency units and possibly the national guard or military would want the roads absolutley and totally clear of any even possible congestion. I've heard, but can't confirm this, that some schools in New York (in parts of manhattan) have evacuation plans set, so the kids could be brought to another place of safety off the island i.e. parents might wind up at an empty school, since it wouldn't be prudent to keep the kids there during an attack and wait for the parents.

[Gilbo_3]

Yes, we have contingency plans to keep the kids for up to 72 hours. Our school district has laid in supplies of peanut butter, jelly (no bread) crackers, cereals (no milk) and other carbs (not Atkins diet friendly). As staff members, we are more concerned about adequate deodorant for 1400 high school students in a lockdown situation!!

We were also told that if parents want to pick up their kids, they can--they will have to deal with police, etc, who don't want them on the roads at that time.

in an honest to god local red alert, [not something minor such as the thunderstorm that my bosses daughter was being held hostage by the school over] the LEOs and skrewels best be ready to deal with a whole lotta parents with no more tolerance for goverment 'protecting THEIR children'.

my wife is a teacher and i feel she would be in a dangerous situation in this event, as would ANYONE who gets between this pappa bear and his cub...

[Poohbah]

The results will be similar, though on a lesser scale, to the predictions made on FR every single day during the Clinton years when the various tinfoilers thought The Big Gun Grab was just days away (for two or three solid years). Citizen will be challenged/threatened by gung-ho cop/trooper/soldier; citizen will shoot to kill.

Citizen proceeds to get 5.56MM a$$hole between the eyes from the victim's partner.

Code Red is reserved for the period immediately after an actual chem/bio event. Anyone running around loose in that situation is de facto doing the terrorists' dirty work (i.e., spreading the bio agent).

[Poohbah]

I have my own Code Red plans, and will execute them as I see fit. In short, stay out of my way, since I'm not a threat to you unless you are a threat to me.

I live in a neighborhood with a large number of health care professionals. Come traipsing through my community after a bio attack, many folks are likely to shoot you and burn your body/personal effects.

[Poohbah]

I'm not positive about this, but I imagine one of the reasons a school might tell parents not to pick up there kids would be because the police and emergency units and possibly the national guard or military would want the roads absolutley and totally clear of any even possible congestion.

That's one reason.

The other reason is that biological weapons are spread by human contact. Cut off all but the most necessary interactions, and the death count goes down.

[Snowy]

WHAT?!? will they not be ALLOWED? is THAT it? no way, nah uh.

I'm with you. No one wants to get in the way of me and my 'mama bear' instinct.

[Chancellor Palpatine]

I have never seen so much self righteous bilge as I've seen on this thread. Jeez - there would be a national crisis, and these morons would be running around like chickens with their heads cut off, clogging roads, screaming "another patriot for liberty and freedom" while shooting cops, and acting like general asses.

Gotta say I'm pretty embarrassed by their statements.

[Poohbah]

"Liberty" and "license" are not synonymous.

"Right" and "responsibility" are.

[Chancellor Palpatine]

Your "mama bear instinct" would clog roads, and would likely endanger the life of your child as well as your own by putting you out in the open.

Were an event like that to happen, your chances of survival are greater if you stay put, and if your children stay put.

[Betteboop]

The general feeling of the staff is that we would hope all the parents come for their kids!! We're not looking to try to chaperone a 72 hour party with hormones raging!!!!!!

Besides, we want to go home too to be with our own families.

[Snowy]

Your "mama bear instinct" would clog roads, and would likely endanger the life of your child as well as your own by putting you out in the open.

I have an SUV so I don't need no stinkin' roads! :) Seriously, we live a half mile from the school and we're in the 'burbs. Of course we'd have to assess the situation, but if it's another event like 911 where they shut down schools out of panic alone, then that's a different story.

[thepitts]

I have never seen so much self righteous bilge as I've seen on this thread.

You mean like this,

" Come traipsing through my community after a bio attack, many folks are likely to shoot you and burn your body/personal effects."

[Betteboop]

In fact, many staff here said, "I'm outta here!!" And of course, what about all those kids who drive to school anyway--no one is going to try to stop them from leaving the building and driving away--so contingency plans are fine, but totally impractical.

Hey, not everyone in ejimacation are leftists!!!! :)

[Snowy]

In fact, many staff here said, "I'm outta here!!"

Good point. The teachers have their own families to worry about. No matter how hard you try, it would be total chaos.

[Poohbah]

Gosh. I make an observation that the citizen's militia MIGHT have something to say about the Constitution not being a suicide pact, and you get bent out of shape about it.

BTW, I'm probably one of the few people who would be trying to get that militia to be reasonable and NOT do that.

Bottom line: if there's a WMD attack, your best strategy is to hunker down and wait three days.

[Poohbah]

Good point. The teachers have their own families to worry about. No matter how hard you try, it would be total chaos.

I've made it clear to the teachers that if they cut and run in a Grade-A emergency like this, they will be known as cowards for the rest of their miserable lives--I will cheerfully take out billboards with their name and picture on them.

[Publius6961]

You French?

[Chancellor Palpatine]

You may have an SUV, but so does everyone else.

Here's the scenario - cheap, yet effective, especially if you've got jihadis who welcome death:

Chem attack in large eastern city "A", bio attack in large city in midwest, two or three carbombs at schools in the midwest, and two or three school bus bombings elsewhere. Oh, and in the cities where the schools are bombed, gratuitous ops against emergency rooms as first casualties arrive.

That took me about 5 minutes to dream up, and it overwhelmed LEO resources everywhere - plus made suspect every vehicle that arrived to pick up children. It also could be done with fewer than 20 people, since they're not afraid of death.

[Chancellor Palpatine]

KMA - I'm realistic, and don't go into fullbore FReeper panic mode at the first inkling that a crisis has occurred.

[hchutch]

Pretty much my plan - I just have to get some spare batteries for my laptop. :)

[Snowy]

That took me about 5 minutes to dream up, and it overwhelmed LEO resources everywhere - plus made suspect every vehicle that arrived to pick up children. It also could be done with fewer than 20 people, since they're not afraid of death.

Don't forget about snipers. Think of all the chaos those two snipers caused?

[Poohbah]

Exactly.

The last thing you'd want is every damn parent trying to pick up his or her kidlets, because that amounts to stacking up a huge number victims in a confined area. One bullet for the lead SUV, one bullet for the tail SUV, and the sniper has just penned his victims neatly in front of the school.