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'We didn't fly to Baghdad to drink coffee' (former Soviet gens prepared Iraq army for war vs. U.S.)
Gazeta.ru ^ | 4/3/03 | Alexander Kornilov

Posted on 04/02/2003 3:34:19 PM PST by Heartlander2

Gazeta.Ru has obtained sensational evidence proving the involvement of a group of former Soviet generals in preparing the Iraqi army for war against the United States. The generals in question refused to discuss their degree of involvement, but admitted that just before the beginning of the US-led campaign against Iraq they received state awards from the Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein.

They are retired Soviet officers, Col.-Gen. Vladimir Achalov and Col.-Gen. Igor Maltsev. The former completed his military career as the Soviet deputy defence minister, after being the Air-Borne Troops commander and the first and last Soviet commander-in-chief of the rapid-reaction forces. The latter resigned from the post of the chief of the Main Staff of the Soviet Air Defence. In 1991 both generals backed the GKChP, (the State Committee for the State of Emergency, set up by a group of Gorbachev opponents with the goal of supplanting him and preventing the disintegration of the USSR) and were consequently dismissed from military service.

The photos show Achalov and Maltsev receiving awards from Iraqi Defence Minister Sultan Hashim Akhmed. Another photo commemorating the event features the Russian generals in the company of the head of the General Staff of the Iraqi Army Izzat Ibragim and his deputies. On the photo published above the Iraqi official is standing between Achalov and Maltsev.

According to our source who provided the photos, the ceremony was held ''less than 10 days before the beginning of the war'' in a building that was destroyed by US cruise missiles in the first few hours of air raids on Baghdad.

What exactly the Soviet generals received their awards for, our source would not say. He only specified that all the top defence officials of Iraq took part in the ceremony, which says a lot about the attitude of the Iraqis to the Russian delegation, and the significance of its visit. Our sources suggested that for further details we should contact the generals themselves.

Gazeta.Ru managed to get in touch with Vladislav Achalov. He confirmed that the photos provided to Gazeta.Ru were absolutely credible, but would not divulge any details as to why he had received his award. Here is an excerpt from a short telephone interview granted by Vladislav Achalov to Gazeta.Ru on March 31:

Vladislav Alexeyevich, is it true or not?

If [we] received [awards], then it is true.

And what for?

If there is an award, then there is a reason.

Is it true that this [ceremony] took place less than 10 days before the war started in Iraq?

Do you mean when we met with the defence minister?

Yes, with the minister. And Igor Maltsev was present, too.

Yes, it took place, I think, even less than 10 days before the war. On Wednesday we flew back, and a week later on Thursday the war began.

We have also established that the awards were conferred on behalf of Saddam Hussein, though for security reasons a meeting with the Iraqi leader was no longer possible at that time.

As to why the two Soviet generals received the top military awards of the Iraqi Republic on the eve of war, Vladislav Achalov would not say. He did remark, however, that he ''didn’t fly to Baghdad to drink coffee''.

Thus, one can only conjecture what role the Soviet generals have played in preparing the Iraqi army for the war. That their role was important is proved at least by the fact that both Achalov and Maltsev, as Gazeta.Ru has learnt, have visited Iraq no less than 20 times in the past 5-6 years.

Given such a schedule (3-4 trips a year), it is almost beyond doubt that Achalov and Maltsev, as well as, possibly, other retired Soviet and highly placed Russian military personnel were giving advice to Iraq as it prepared its army for imminent war.

And this assistance, judging by the first stage of the Iraqi war, has proved more than effective: despite the US-led coalition’s efforts, in 12 days of incessant air raids they have so far failed to destroy the Iraqi command, air defence system, and to take any large city.

Perhaps it is mere coincidence, but namely Igor Maltsev is rated as one of the best Russian experts in the sphere of operating air-defence systems, while Vladislav Achalov has extensive experience in the field of using rapid-reaction forces.

It is hard to predict the political fallout from the reports of Russian generals training Iraqis for war. On the one hand, both Achalov and Maltsev are retired generals and do not act on behalf of Russia’s official authorities. Their private trips to Baghdad do not violate any UN resolutions, or any other restrictions imposed on Iraq by the UN Security Council.

Yet, Russia’s indirect participation in the training of the Iraqi army to repulse the US-led invasion (in effect, Iraq is using the unique experience of Russia’s top, albeit retired officers) is likely to significantly complicate relations between Moscow and Washington. Besides, the Kremlin cannot say that it knew nothing of the services rendered by the former Soviet generals to the Iraqi military command, as such frequent trips to Baghdad could not remain unnoticed by the Russian security services.

Either they did remain unnoticed, which is doubtful, or it was decided to turn a blind eye to their trips.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: baghdaddefense; iraqifreedom; russia; warplan
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1 posted on 04/02/2003 3:34:19 PM PST by Heartlander2
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To: Heartlander2
Good job, Russkies.

Looks like Moscow is a road apple if we want it.

2 posted on 04/02/2003 3:35:50 PM PST by wideawake (Support our troops and their Commander-in-Chief)
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To: Heartlander2
I hope the feller in charge of the air defense systems cashed the check right away - I'm thinking if I were Saddam I'da cancelled payment...
3 posted on 04/02/2003 3:36:48 PM PST by Billthedrill
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To: Heartlander2
They went there to eat crow.
4 posted on 04/02/2003 3:37:50 PM PST by doug from upland (Send Al Sharpton 5 bucks so he can wreak havoc in his party)
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To: Heartlander2
Gazeta.Ru has obtained sensational evidence proving the involvement of a group of former Soviet generals in preparing the Iraqi army for war against the United States.

I hope the Iraqis put a non-performance clause in their contract.

5 posted on 04/02/2003 3:37:52 PM PST by skeeter (Fac ut vivas)
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To: Heartlander2
Given the outstanding performance of their pupils, these Russians should start looking for the exit before their employer gets his hands on them. He might want more than just the tuition fee refunded!
6 posted on 04/02/2003 3:39:24 PM PST by Redcloak (All work and no FReep makes Jack a dull boy. All work and no FReep make s Jack a dul boy. Allwork an)
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To: wideawake
I wonder if they should have gotten " a special award" along the same lines as the one in the Christmas story? Since there performance has been stellar.
7 posted on 04/02/2003 3:40:17 PM PST by Walkingfeather
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To: wideawake; SLB; Matthew James; Squantos
the ceremony was held ''less than 10 days before the beginning of the war'' in a building that was destroyed by US cruise missiles in the first few hours of air raids on Baghdad.

Nuff said.

8 posted on 04/02/2003 3:43:30 PM PST by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: Heartlander2
They were presented with Iraq's highest award due to them going over and above the call of duty and extending Iraq's defense for oh.........5 additional seconds.
9 posted on 04/02/2003 3:44:42 PM PST by Arkinsaw
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To: Heartlander2
Carl Cameron doing a report showing same right now on Brit Hume show on Fox...
10 posted on 04/02/2003 3:46:23 PM PST by Keith
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To: Heartlander2
LOL! The Russian generals were shocked at what we did during "Desert Storm I". For years they were told they could stomp the US in a ground war. Which was a lie. About as real as their fake "May Day" missiles they used to parade each year.

Russia Smushia....

11 posted on 04/02/2003 3:47:54 PM PST by isthisnickcool
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To: Heartlander2
Well it sure will be interesting if Iraq uses WMD now won't it...
12 posted on 04/02/2003 3:47:56 PM PST by rolling_stone
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To: Heartlander2
Memo to Iraqi Military Planners: Next time, use the French and save yourselves a lot of grief.
13 posted on 04/02/2003 3:49:07 PM PST by clintonh8r (You can have no better friend and no worse enemy than a U.S. Marine.)
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To: Heartlander2

Bolsheviks and Ba'athists.

14 posted on 04/02/2003 3:49:21 PM PST by Godebert
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To: Godebert
Retired Gernerals just like the one's CNN has each nite, They know much about "nothing" and just collecting a paycheck like these russian's. I am not concerned. Iraq is done with them or without their help. Russia sure knows how to suck hole for "CASH"
15 posted on 04/02/2003 3:53:57 PM PST by ruready4eternity ( Muslims have perfected an new form of psychological warfare. The Palestinians were first)
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To: Heartlander2
Lord, PLEASE don't let W let these bastards off the hook when this is all over... Please
16 posted on 04/02/2003 3:55:23 PM PST by johnb838 (Understand the root causes of American anger)
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To: Heartlander2
The reason the ex-generals didn't want to tell the reporter WHY they were getting awards is due to the piss-poor performance of the Iraqis. They don't want to hide their role because the world will be angry (after all, there were sanctions against Iraq that, uhmm, the Russian government is supposed to follow). They want to hide their role because they're utter failures. It's hard to get new work if your resume says I helped train the totally defeated Iraqi army.
17 posted on 04/02/2003 3:55:24 PM PST by Alas Babylon!
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To: Billthedrill
Don't forget the guy who trained the artillery in S.Iraq to fire calibration rounds in "kill zones" near the mine fields.

It sure was nice of him to allow us to get the position and range of the Iraqi artillery for the MLRS.

=)

18 posted on 04/02/2003 3:56:32 PM PST by PokeyJoe (BBQ Iraqi Pork Ribs for Dinner.)
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To: doug from upland
The content of their advising was leaked out, went something like this:

(I)raqsky: What shud we du when Amerikansky attack us?

(R)usky General (Retarded): First you duck, let them come closer, then shut!

(I) May the Alloha bless your illegitimate children. Thank you for impotent strategik advaisse.

(R) Glad to help to liberate you country. Por some more of that non-alcoholik vodka, na zdravie!

(I) No problem komcrade! Na zdravie of our eternal viktory!

(R) Uhm, you got any medals or awards, we would like to bring some home to impress our wifes.

(I) No problemsky! Here is the award and picture with cardboard SoDumb, smilesky!

(R) Spasibo Iraksky brothers. We will watch your heroic sloter of Amerikanskys, may your camels protect you here and in the virgin heaven.

(I) Spasibo Rusky brothers for your support of that idiot Blix and his stupid inspectorkys, we miss them.

(You gotta learn to read between the lines :-)

19 posted on 04/02/2003 3:57:53 PM PST by Leo Carpathian
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To: Heartlander2
Well, then I'd say they've done quite a job.

Russia might want to rethink any battle plans for conventional warfare against the U.S.

20 posted on 04/02/2003 4:03:30 PM PST by Im Your Huckleberry
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