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Friends, Romans, countrymen, lend me your rears?
The Times ^ | April 4, 2003 | Robbie Millen

Posted on 04/03/2003 2:04:15 PM PST by MadIvan

A 17th-century Louis Vuitton trunk containing numerous Barbra Streisand records, the complete Rogers and Hammerstein video collection, and a signed copy of Miss Collins’s Joan’s Way: Looking Good, Feeling Great was recently discovered on the South Bank, near the site of the Globe Theatre. This must be further compelling evidence that William Shakespeare was a flamboyant (by law all gays have to be described so) homosexual.

Entering the scrum that passes for Shakespearean Lit Crit comes Sir Ian McKellen, leading thesp, with his claim that the Bard is as gay as Judy Garland’s fan club. His sexuality has long been a fruity debating point, as old as the quest for the identity of the Dark Lady.

Academics, who like to frighten horses, claim that occasional phrases reveal his inverted nature: Sonnet 126, for instance, begins “O thou, my lovely boy, who in thy power . . .” A whole school of academia has built up around the meaning of “will” in Sonnet 135 — “Wilt thou, whose will is large and spacious,/ Not once vouchsafe to hide my will in thine.” And how about that “wilt”, eh?

Why stop there? Surely, if we were to peer harder, the whole of his work (“I would not be a queen/For all the world” Henry VIII) could be deconstructed for signs of pinkery: the playwright who sent one of Britain’s finest armies “once more unto the breach, dear friends”, who named a character Bottom, and for whom “lend me your ears” could easily have been just a missed stroke. All’s Well That Bends Well? Whichever Way You Like It?

Shakespeare sits with Field Marshal Montgomery, Handel, Hitler, J. Edgar Hoover, J. Enoch Powell and Abraham Lincoln, all infinitely fascinating figures from the past claimed as friends of Dorothy by on-the-make authors, bored academics and wishful-thinking gay campaigners.

Hoover, the former FBI hard nut, we learnt in one work of insignificance, on less formal occasions wore a black dress with flounces, lace stockings and liked to be called “Mary”; Michael Collins, the IRA hero, it has been claimed, shared a bed with other men while on the run. (A more sober historian unsuccessfully reassured Nationalists that “their hands under the blankets were firmly on their revolvers”.) Abe was too close to his log-cabin friend Joshua Speed. Even Dracula has been labelled gay. Bram Stoker supposedly had a homosexual crush on the impresario Henry Irving and based the Count on him.

It’s all flapdoodle. It’s the sort of game anyone can play because no one can plausibly deny or confirm psychobabbling claims about secrets of the heart; everyone is safely dead and buried. It’s all predicated on the erroneous modern belief that sex — rather than money, faith or power — is the great motivator. That, and the bizarre belief that homosexuality somehow confers an explanation of behaviour, beyond merely what happens in the bedroom. Do we really believe that Alexander the Great’s homosexuality caused him to sweep across Asia Minor in search of exotic knick-knacks? Or that Hitler sent gays to the death camps in the biggest and most deadly attempt to appear, as the lonely hearts ads put it, “straight-acting”?

How could Sir Ian, some 400 years later, have an inkling of Shakespeare’s sexuality, when Ron Davies, the moment-of-madness Welsh Secretary, has difficulty in knowing himself whether he is, to coin a euphemism, a badger-fancier or not; a confusion worthy of the sea of self-doubt that was Hamlet. “To be or not to be: That is the question/ Whether ’tis nobler in the mind to suffer the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune,/ Or to take arms against a sea of troubles,/ And by opposing end them.” End them? Ooh, missus.

The author has no problems with his sexuality.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; News/Current Events; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: fame; homosexuals; ridiculous
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I thought you lot deserved a good laugh. ;)

Regards, Ivan


1 posted on 04/03/2003 2:04:15 PM PST by MadIvan
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To: patricia; annyokie; Citizen of the Savage Nation; cgk; proust; swheats; starfish; maui_hawaii; ...
Bump!
2 posted on 04/03/2003 2:04:32 PM PST by MadIvan
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To: MadIvan
OK.

But(t) I want it back. <|:)~

3 posted on 04/03/2003 2:08:14 PM PST by martin_fierro (Mr. Avuncular)
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To: MadIvan
Homosexuals are obsessed with proving that anyone who is anyone is or was a fairy.

I once read a "serious" treatise describing the obviously homosexual relationship between David of the Bible, and Jonathan the son of King Saul.
4 posted on 04/03/2003 2:09:39 PM PST by Illbay (Don't believe every tagline you read - including this one)
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To: MadIvan
"lend me your rears?"

Thought this would be a French joke.....

5 posted on 04/03/2003 2:09:44 PM PST by litehaus
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To: MadIvan
"...their hands under the blankets were firmly on their revolvers."

Well, I should hope so! Ewheee!!
6 posted on 04/03/2003 2:12:27 PM PST by ricpic
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To: MadIvan
They do the same homosexual revision with Alexander the Great. Go to Greece and say he was a homosexual and you may end up with a bloody nose. Recently in Thesaloniki Greece there was a conference where a foreign scholar tried to put forth the notion that Alexander's father, Philip was a homosexual. (like the scholar himself) There are zero writings identifying Alexander as a homosexual, the only evidence is the close friendship with one particular man whose name escapes me.

This homosexual revisionism is a product of the American University system and has actually spread from here. Next thing you know, Ronald Reagan was a homosexual because he ended the cold war. Richard Nixon was a homosexual because he went to make friends in China. McArthur was homosexual becuase we know all military men are homosexuals.

Time to start reclaiming morality from the 1% fringe.
7 posted on 04/03/2003 2:13:31 PM PST by longtermmemmory
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To: martin_fierro
That's the worst Italian flag I've ever seen.
8 posted on 04/03/2003 2:17:48 PM PST by decimon
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To: MadIvan
Yes, but how does this square with the Baconian Heresy?
9 posted on 04/03/2003 2:57:43 PM PST by demosthenes the elder (scum will never cease to be scum - why must that be explained to anyone?)
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To: decimon
LOL! took me a moment to understand, but o! well done!
10 posted on 04/03/2003 2:59:33 PM PST by demosthenes the elder (scum will never cease to be scum - why must that be explained to anyone?)
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To: Illbay
"Hoover, the former FBI hard nut, we learnt in one work of insignificance, on less formal occasions wore a black dress with flounces,..."

This little nugget was demonstrated to be part of a KGB-created disinformation campaign as revealed by the Venona transcripts of decrypted Soviet intelligence traffic. There is not a shred of credibility to this rumor but the "gay mafia" trots it out any time they get a chance.
11 posted on 04/03/2003 3:04:32 PM PST by ggekko
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To: MadIvan
I hate to agree with Ian McKellan about anything, but the truth is that if you read the sonnets it seems pretty clear that Shakespeare was probably bi, and to think so you don't have to be either (a) gay or (b) an overeducated academic. There is an awful lot of unmistakeable stuff in the sonnets about his "lovely boy" and their passion. It's possible to make up all sorts of things to explain this away, but the language is so straightforward that the simplest explanation is probably the best. It seems that the sonnets were private poem-missives to a young man Shakespeare was carrying on with but who was being encouraged to marry for dynastic reasons. Despite the glorious heights of beauty the language of the sonnets attains, the meaning is fairly creepy.
12 posted on 04/03/2003 3:06:27 PM PST by Capriole (Foi vainquera)
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To: martin_fierro; MadIvan
THAT, looks like the French flag sideways.
13 posted on 04/03/2003 3:25:36 PM PST by Cacique
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...but the truth is that if you read the sonnets it seems pretty clear that Shakespeare was probably bi,...

Garbage. The fact is that our sex-drenched culture in these days insists on having everything fit in as a piece in the "sexual puzzle" somewhere. Any expression of affection between males, for example the relationship between David and Jonathan in the Bible that I gave earlier, has to be deconstructed into a homosexual affair.

It's just not true. In other times, affection between males was not considered "gay." In fact, even relations between men and women could be "chaste" though intimate.

We see everything through the glass through which this "wicked and adulterous generation" wishes us to peer, and it's just poppycock.

14 posted on 04/03/2003 3:56:47 PM PST by Illbay (Don't believe every tagline you read - including this one)
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To: Cacique; decimon; MadIvan

VIVE LA FRANCE! <|:)~

15 posted on 04/03/2003 3:57:51 PM PST by martin_fierro (Mr. Avuncular)
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To: MadIvan
"He's gay, Jim."
16 posted on 04/03/2003 3:58:32 PM PST by sonofatpatcher2 (Love & a .45-- What more could you want, campers? };^)
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To: longtermmemmory
There were famous homosexual soldiers in classical Greece. The Sacred Band of Thebes, was a unit comprised entirely of gay lovers. Supposedly, they fought to the last butch and died in each others arms.
Of course it was the Macedonian Army of King Phillip who slaughtered them.

It has been suggested that homosexuality was rampant among the Spartans. Given the nuptual rituals wherein a the bride would cut her hair and dress like a young man for the soldier-husband to take, I give this theory some credence. Of course, the Spartans were crushed by the other city states because they lacked enough soldiers. (Soldiers who spend all week in the barracks had few kids.) At any rate, Sparta was a brutal aristocracy built on ethnic slavery, totalitarian tactics, and the mistreatment of boys.

If the homosexual intellectuals wish to act like Ernst Roehm, they should stop claiming that the Nazi persecuted all homosexuals.

17 posted on 04/03/2003 4:03:27 PM PST by rmlew ("Millions for defense, but not one cent for tribute.")
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To: MadIvan
Pishtosh and balderdash! That the Bard managed prodigious output covering every OTHER aspect of human interaction while the typical Hollywood script can't get through ten pages without a copulation leads me to believe the man may have been asexual. Not that there’s anything wrong with that.
19 posted on 04/03/2003 4:15:50 PM PST by NewRomeTacitus ("Are you implying, sir , that you are light in your loafers?" - Fletch)
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To: Illbay
Illbay, part of what you say is true. For instance, normal heterosexual expressions of affection between Victorian-era men today strike our oversensitive ears as being effeminate. I quite agree with you about the absurdity of attributing homosexual relations to David and Jonathan or other great male friendships through history; this seems to be the sport of gays, to try to achieve normalcy by persuading the gullible that all the great figures of history were fudge-packers.

But before you assume that what appears in Shakespeare's sonnets is merely healthy male affection, you should reread them tonight. The recipient of the sonnets is a very young man, much younger than the author. There are puns about the lovely boy's penis, and the author writes that he is "Frantic-mad with desire," calls the boy "master mistress of my passion," "Lord of my love," and so forth. Taken together they create a clear picture, and one does not have to be sex-obsessed to see it. Rather, denial of the obvious does nto contribute to our body of knowledge about Elizabethan literature.

And if the notion that Shakespeare may have been gay offends you, remember that we don't have any proof the sonnets were written by Shakespeare at all.

20 posted on 04/03/2003 4:30:11 PM PST by Capriole (Foi vainquera)
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