Jewish lawmakers threaten walk-out over reference to Jesus

WorldNetDaily.com ^ | April 3, 2003 | Diana Lynne

[honway]

http://www.aspecialplace.net/America/president_bush_our_leader.htm

"You see, it is this faith business that confounded everyone. We have had such actors and liars in public office that we have looked skeptically whenever anyone used the term faith.

But this was the same man who was the first politician ever in recent memory to name Jesus Christ as the lord of his life on public TV. Not an oblique reference to being "born-again" or having a "life change." He said the un-PC-like phrase, "Jesus Christ," to which his handlers and advisors, no doubt, off stage, were concerned"

[honway]

Did I miss the reply where you told us if you voted for Al Gore for President or not?

Based on what you have written on this thread,it would not surprise me if you were unable to vote for a man that names Jesus Christ as lord of his life on public TV.

[TopQuark]

I guess, you still do not understand: I do not respond to children throwing temper tantrums and demand explanations.

Go interrogate your mom. I am not your mother for you to demand anything from me.

[Khepera]

Let these guys walk out. who cares! they and their a$$hole supporters can all suck eggs.

[honway]

Majority of people here are white, but it is a racist statement to say "this is a white nation; grow some skin and get used to it."

Is Israel a Jewish nation?Christians and Muslims are citizens of Israel.

Is it racist to say Israel is a Jewish nation?

[TopQuark]

You act as though someone is holding a baseball bat to your head and demanding that you betray your God.

Not at all. Although it did heppen to my father and grandfater. The weapon was more lethal than the baseball bat.

By your point of view, we ought never have any public leading of prayer at all. I have repeatedly stated the opposite.

After all, any prayer at all is disrespectful of non-believers.

Also false: I did not argue for the unity without limits. The issue at hand is whether we can have an interdenominational prayer.

Now, which other parts of what I said did you get as they were written?

[SSN558]

"What a time for Jews to start making trouble with Christians. We need to stick together."

The word Jews needs to be put between quotation marks and modified to read, "Jewish Politicians". Seems to me like they have too much time on their hands.

[katnip]

Here's what those two leftist a-hole's are part of.

The call for the death of Christianity.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/885868/posts

"Bush, Blair Dangerous Jesus Lovers"

[SupplySider]

I won't complain if you don't end a prayer in Jesus name; I'd appreciate the same tolerance if I do. Seems simple enough to me.

I agree. But I doubt this minister would have tolerated a prayer not to his liking.

[honway]

It simply disturbs me that someone who spends the time that you do on FR explaining how U.S. citizens should pray in public refuses to tell us if you voted for Al Gore.

There is an agenda at work here, and it is not the agenda of George Bush or conservative Americans.

[TopQuark]

Yeh. I could not breath for a few seconds when I read that: only the Arabs express hatred so strongly. And this is pure hatred; he does not even bother to hide it. I am speechless. I am not a Christian myself, but I take this statement as a personal offense because he offended my Christian friends and the principles on which I think this country stands.

Let Gore Vidal rot in his villa in Tuscany and in h-ll afterwards.

[honway]

http://www.jewish.co.uk/news020902.php3



A man filed suit last week to get rid of chaplains in the U.S. Congress. Michael Newdow claims it is unconstitutional for taxpayer-funded chaplains to pray in the House of Representatives and Senate and to minister to lawmakers. Newdow recently argued successfully before an appeals court that the phrase "under God" in the Pledge of Allegiance violates the separation of church and state.

[katnip]

I am not a Christian myself, but I take this statement as a personal offense because he offended my Christian friends and the principles on which I think this country stands.

I think then that you should find the kindness in your heart to allow this Pastor, who obviously is from a denomination that MAY NOT pray without invoking Jesus' name the tolerance to do so without getting upset.

All of us G-d fearing people are under attack, we're gonna need everybody to stick together.

[honway]

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,57683,00.html

'Pledge' Mom: My Daughter Is No Atheist

COSBY: And just one quick question before we go to the break, Sandy — there's some interesting stuff that has never been reported before, about Michael Newdow's background, his religious background. Tell me about his family — because his family, they're not atheists, right?

BANNING: It's my understanding that his parents are atheists but he — he was raised — a Jewish background, Glen [their daughter] and he celebrate Hannukah and Passover together.

COSBY: So he and your daughter celebrate Passover?

BANNING: Correct.

COSBY: And he doesn't oppose that?

BANNING: No, he doesn't. And she celebrates the traditional Jewish holidays with him.

COSBY: So how can he reconcile that — if he can say it's okay to celebrate Passover, but then saying your daughter can't say "under God?"

BANNING: Well, I'm not really sure how he reconciles that. I — you know, there's lots of folks that you know, participate in Christmas but that doesn't make them a Christian, that doesn't exclude the children from participating in a very you know ... it's actually a very religious holiday, but maybe it's not religious in their home.

COSBY: Do you feel he's being somewhat contradictory though, and some would say that?

BANNING: Possibly. But I think that it's important that my daughter learn about her family heritage and she needs to know about her family history, it's very important.

COSBY: Sandy Banning, please stay with us, we're just going to take a short break and we'll have more with you after this commercial break. An incredible story, told for the first time, this is the mother of the little girl at the center of the storm — her father just recently won that case making the Pledge of the Allegiance unconstitutional. We'll have her first-ever exclusive interview and continue with her right after this break

[so_real]

I agree. But I doubt this minister would have tolerated a prayer not to his liking.

You are right. The minister was *invited* to give the prayer. If I were him, I'd be a little upset too if a senator wanted to hand me a cue card to read with a pre-approved PC prayer on it that did not, in my estimation, reflect my religion. He was not invited there to represent the Jewish religion; he was invited to represent his own. Imagine being invited for an interview on CNN regarding the coalition's military success -- then upon arrival at the studio you are given a cue card indicating what you can and can not be vocally greatful for while on the air.

[Marysecretary]

I don't want you to think that I believe the Lord's prayer is a bad prayer. It's holy and it's wonderful. But often when we repeat things like the Lord's prayer or the Apostle's Creed it becomes somewhat like a religious rite, just something you say without any meaning. We run through it because it's so familiar. It loses its meaning when we do that. A prayer from the heart is always better in a group situation like this, in my opinion.

[Marysecretary]

Illbay, you always have nasty things to say to or about Christians/Christianity. I think you just don't like us! I'm sure this pastor meant no offense, but, since you bring it up, Jesus is called the ROCK OF OFFENSE in scripture. His name is offensive to people who hate Him or who hate Christianity. It's a given, so I shouldn't be surprised at reactions like yours.

[Captain Beyond]

He was using nondenominational in the context of all religions so that they are not offended by a prayer. If you had read the thread and followed mine and his debate you would know that. I understand what he was talking about and it was not Baptists Vs Methodists. If we had been discussing the differences in theology amongst denominations of Christianity it would have been a much different post. Thank You.

[TopQuark]

I cannot agree more with what you said. And I assure, I personally did not take a bit of offense at the Pastor; there is nothing for me to forgive. I have been to dinners of my Christian friends, where similar prayers have been said: they respect my identity, and I am only happy to respect theirs. I have raised my daughter with similar values: when she was a teenager, she, together with her other Jewish friends, volunteered to baby-sit at churches during Christmas so that the parents could be free to participate in services.

As I said earlier, I would be delighted to see this nation to return to its Christian roots, starting with prayer in school. I assure you, I do not have even a bit of a problem with the minister's prayer (most of my participation on this board was raising questions with those whose views seemed to be rather extreme).

Regards, TQ.