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To: Delphinium
The Rev. David N. Hughes of the Trinity and Evangelical Church of Adamstown, Md., intended to round out his invocation yesterday with the line, "In Jesus' name, Amen." But the sergeant at arms – on the orders of Senate President Thomas Mike Miller Jr. – shut the reverend out of the body's chambers.

This would bother me a little bit. (I'm Jewish) But really no big deal. Rabbis get plenty of face time leading prayers in state legislatures and other government functions. I don't hear Christians complaining.

14 posted on 04/03/2003 6:35:01 PM PST by dennisw
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To: dennisw
I live in an area where there is a mix of Jews and Christians. Together, we listen to Hanukah songs. We listen to Christmas carols. We celebrate each other’s Holidays. Anyone "offended" by the way the other side respects God is just a bigot, as far as I’m concerned.

Mike Miller was local politics where I use to live. The term “major jerk and sleaze bag” describe him best.
98 posted on 04/03/2003 6:58:02 PM PST by lizma
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To: dennisw
This is not about faith, it is about secular power. It's a power move. There have been multitudes of invocations mentioning Jesus and multitudes invoked God by Jewish rabbis. Nobody, up until now, decided to use a Christian invocation to launch a secular power move.
166 posted on 04/03/2003 7:15:09 PM PST by AmericanVictory
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To: dennisw
Dennis, thanks for your tolerance for us Christians, but

The Rev. David N. Hughes of the Trinity and Evangelical Church of Adamstown, Md.

cuts very little ice for me as a C of E man. Maryland was founded as a refuge for Catholics, who after independence, ironically and tragically found themselves driven from their homes by "Reverends" of this ilk. During their brief tenure, the Catholics of Maryland tolerated my church, the Jews, and the many others operating in the colonies, although in other colonies (Massachusetts in particular) Catholics were heavily persecuted.

Screw this stupid Holy Clymer! May his children marry Muslims.

391 posted on 04/03/2003 8:58:48 PM PST by Kenny Bunk
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To: dennisw
I feel very close to the Jews for good reason. Bible believing Christians are the best friends the Jews have today. We believe that we serve the same God. I personally do not believe that the Muslims serve that same God. Just by the nature of their oppressive, and cruel religion. As Christians we must use the name of Jesus when we pray. We believe it is the only way to get to God. I know all about this thing called "politically correct" I believe those liberal, leftist churches like the world counsel of churches, etc. are not Christians any more. And as you can see lately, they are also enemies of the Jews. I would not be offended by a Jewish prayer, but could not pray without using the name of Jesus.

Here is something my pastor wrote. Hope it doesn't offend.

There are many things that we hold in common with the Jews. Some Jewish writers say that Christianity is a mirror reflection of Judaism. For example we use the same Old Testament as they do and hold to many of the same teachings. Both groups believe in one God.

Then we need to understand the roots of Christianity. Some Christians are not aware that Christianity had its origin with the Jews. At the beginning it was part of the Jewish religion. But because God did not intend the work of the cross to be limited to Jews, Christianity eventually became a religion of its own, and for all peoples. The prophets of the Old Testament said this would happen, and that God's people would be called by another name.

Jesus caused a division among the Jews that continues to this day. You might say that the Jewish religion was severed into two camps. Many thousands of the early Jews did believe in Jesus. This resulted in the Christian Jew. But many others did not.

The non-believing Jewish leadership tried to keep the peoples away from Jesus. Over time most Jewish people did not even know that Jesus and all the apostles were Jews. The 'new' Judaism that had been invented by the rabbis was totally different from ancient Judaism. Actually Judaism itself begin dividing into various groups. The three mains streams today are the Orthodox, Conservative, and the Reformed Jews.

To give you some background, what happened is that in 70 ad, Jerusalem was destroyed by the Roman armies, along with the temple. The fracture between the Christian Jew and the non-Christian Jew began to intensify. The non-Christian Jews no longer had a place to center their religion. The Christian Jew had no problem since they simply worshipped the true God through Jesus Christ. The Jewish leadership had to structure a new form of Judaism that would not be Christian.

This new form of Judaism eventually took on the name Rabbinical or Talmudic Judaism. But by now the Christian Jews had become more accustomed to worshipping God with peoples of other cultures. And so the name 'Christian' became the dominate name for all who believed in Jesus. The non-Christian Jew continued on a road that secluded themselves from other cultures.

For those Jews who fully rejected Jesus, the road of salvation was cut off. The Bible is very clear in that a person must believe in Jesus Christ in order to be saved. Jesus told certain Jewish leadership, "Unless you believe that I am He, you will die in your sins."(John 8:24) Jesus died for the sins of the world. If any person rejects His great sacrifice, they have no other means of salvation. Even the Old Testament prophets taught this.

The good news today is that many Jews are turning to Jesus in great number. According to reports, more Jews have turned to Jesus in the last 19 years than in the last 1900 years. Other reports tell us of a great move in Israel to reclaim Jesus to their heritage.
409 posted on 04/03/2003 9:26:25 PM PST by Delphinium
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To: dennisw
Thanks Dennis.
456 posted on 04/03/2003 10:23:49 PM PST by wardaddy (G-d speed our fighters!)
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