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No, I am not all that young... and that is the reason for my "invective"... In a very short span of time, I have watched the American culture being dragged over a cliff--and since 1960 this "march on the institutions" has occurred at an alarmingly accelerated rate.

No, I do not advocate the "overthrow" of our government; but watching liberal politicos and unelected judges shred the Constitution on a daily basis, and without any palpable opposition, is demoralizing--and yes, frustrating.

BTW, Trent Lott DID say those words--Get a copy of the book 'Betrayal'... Sorry, that I do not recall the author at this moment.

I believe the general import of your original argument was that we Americans should place blind faith in the 'rule of law.' Perhaps I am mistaken on that observation. However, the point I contend is that a great number of legislators, who write the laws, and jurists, who interpret those laws, are morally-bankrupt cynics. Some are so grossly devient in their duties, as to suggest not incompetence--but a willfull intent to subvert the Constitution, and replace our representative republic with a socialist democracy. These individuals hold ideas that the writers of our Constitution would consider foreign--and even hostile. Such actions are a violation of the oath of office, but I challenge you to show me where any of these quislings have been held accoutable for these usurpations? How else do you explain the failure of the U.S. Senate to impeach President Clinton?

What causes my angst, and at times even rage, is that no matter the party in power, nothing appears to change; but rather each passing year our culture seems to degenerate more rapidly. Those things of gross imorality that twenty years ago I would have thought not possible here, have come to be promoted as noble: Good is labled to be evil, and evil is labled to be good!

People such as the late Senator Patrick Moynahan are rare these days. He was a Democrat and by good measure a liberal--BUT a liberal in the classical sense. Senator Moynahan was a very astute professor of history. He was a moral and wise man, who keenly observed that "defining deviancy down" was becoming the norm in American politics and jurisprudence.

I do not agree with your contention that my argument is an "oversimplification." The facts are fairly obvious: an increasing number of American political and cultural "leaders" demonstrate utter contempt for American traditions. Far worse, many political office holders demonstrate no respect whatsoever for the ORIGINAL INTENT of the Constitution. Oh, yes they parrot the words and phraseology, but that is all. This behavior is not restricted to any one political party affiliation. I see few "conservatives," in the traditional sense, occupying positions of power within American goverment. However, there are a great number of "moderates"--ie: those not having the courage of their convictions. I would wager you that the number of those individuals within the U.S. Congress, whose "bedrock principles" would never be compromised, is perhaps twenty. The majority have a rather flimsy set of "core beliefs" that ebb and flow with whatever public opinion is politically expedient. That is not leadership. How else do you explain the continued tenacity of perverse legislation, by which such bizarre horrors as homosexual "marriage" and partial birth abortion--to name a few--are introduced and maintained?

You state that change is a gradual process, I agree. But I also am aware that when a culture crosses over a certain critical point the inertia of its mass takes over. I believe we have reached that point--or are damn close to it. For instance: observe the number of those who demonstrate against this war vs. the relative few who show up for rallies of support. The fact that the polling data shows 77 percent of Americans favor America's actions is heartening; but where are they? Why do they allow such debauchels as San Fransisco, New York City, and Boston to go unanswered with an equal show of force? More pointedly why do our supposed LEADERS allow such travesties to go unpunished? Observe the hordes of young men and women on the college campuses today, who have been thoroughly indoctrinated into marxist ideology--these youth will soon be running the country in both the public and private spheres of influence, and I doubt that the pressures of reality will change their belief system too much, before they do significant damage.

Change is slow, but what counts is who is making the greater net gains--I do not see our side winning major battles. More often than not, I see these tepid souls cringing with fear in some dark corner of their office, worried more about how the press will damage their chances of re-election, rather than being courageous towards their civic duty and upholding the Constitution. Theirs is a world ruled by compromise, compromise with those who wish all of us much ill will. For this reason I am not so hopeful of our future as a free republic.

"No, I do not advocate the "overthrow" of our government; but watching liberal politicos and unelected judges shred the Constitution on a daily basis, and without any palpable opposition, is demoralizing--and yes, frustrating."

So, you'd just be doing the government and all of the rest of us a favor by enacting your, uh, ideas of improving our Republic by liquidating "tens of thousands" of those you hate? You might run into problems with your local constabulary following your previously recommended course of action:

"I would hasten their trip to "damnation"...The best way to deal with these so-called "peace" activists is via the business end of a rifle... I think the time is high past "creative discourse" with traitors. Let us see how well their rank and file do under sustained merciless firepower.

Let us make the so-called "tragedy" of Kent State into a stroll through the park. They tell of Kent State as though it were an evil thing in our history--I could not disagree more. I see Kent State as the proper way to dispatch these maggot-infested, dope-using, treasonous scumbags. Five dead? Hell no! That inane carnage does not even approach an acceptable body count. Better to slaughter the children of the "Sixties Generation" by the tens-of-thousands.

America is in desperate need of a second Civil War, where we may finally sweep clean the streets of these vermin... permanently."

"BTW, Trent Lott DID say those words--Get a copy of the book 'Betrayal'... Sorry, that I do not recall the author at this moment."

Again, I'd have to see the transcripts where he said this and in what context. An assertion carries no weight with me, especially when you don't seem to recall your own words or those of others clearly. Incidently, after the Impeachment, there was a Democrat that said something nearly identical to your quote, but his name escapes me.

"I believe the general import of your original argument was that we Americans should place blind faith in the 'rule of law.' Perhaps I am mistaken on that observation."

You are mistaken. I believe in the rule of law and seek to change it when it is onerous. Furthermore, I believe the rule of law to be better than anarchy and chaos. When the basis of our Republic, the Constitution, is made null and void, then we will have reason to take up arms. Until then, ranting about killing people is hardly the rationale discourse of patriots.

Regarding the rest of your post, I would direct you to any of my previous posts in this thread. You make no points regarding the cowardice and treachery of our enemies that any conservative would not agree with. The difference is that many of us prefer to fight within the system as long as it is available to us.

Now, you have said that you are an older poster. I don't know what that means, but I would hasten to point out to you that Republicans now hold both Houses and the Executive Office. This, in itself, is a rarity and worthy of note. The current administration is seeking the installment of judges that the Left hates and fears. The President has pursued a policy of tax-cuts, military spending, and a range of other policies favorable to conservatives and increasing American sovereignty. To be honest, Bush is not what I would term a solid Conservative, but many of his policies were impossible only three years ago. I could go on like this, but I am sure you already know these things - you just seem to ignore their import.

On the opposite side of the aisle, the Left is in a crisis state. The moral high ground they occupied for nearly 70 years has evaporated. In its stead, the extremist fringe pushes its repellant agendas into the face of America with increasing fervor. To their loss, America is responding with less and less tolerance. Each day brings new news of Leftist perversity and lies. The media, who has so faithfully served the Leftist cause, is approaching a zero sum credibility rating. I could go on like this, but I am sure you already know these things - you just choose to ignore their import.

In terms of culture, Conservatives have never been so prominent. Even the Republican establishment needs to tailor their agenda to that of grassroots Conservative activism. We have learned from the Left and now counter their antics with resolve like those FReepers in FL. that stormed the county offices where ballot counting was taken out of view of the monitors. The reaction made the national news and forced the hands of the Democrats to admit that they didn't have the votes Gore needed (and couldn't manufacture them under scrutiny). FR people broke into Gore's party line conference for the press and made a shambles of it by mocking him and his press lackeys (that was a glorious day here). FR activists also stood vigil outside Blair house during the recount and nearly drove Gore mad with incessant chants of "Get out of Cheny's house!" FR itself is evidence of the new wave of Conservative activism. Your presence and posts are evidence that you are drawn to the power and immediacy of the new mediums.

In my locale, a rally for supporting the troops and liberating Iraq drew 20,000+ attendants - in one case the press reported the number as a few thousand. They lie. We know this - and we no longer care about their lies because we have our own information sources. In the Clinton years, talk radio rallied Americans and provided a new consciousness we are still developing. In addition, the advent of the net opened the doors to the information treasure cave. The information brokers power is gone and uptake of events and meaning are instantaneous. The only people in the dark are the Left and the media brokers themselves.

In sum, America is far from lost -- yet.

"I do not see our side winning major battles."

The last decade has changed the equation radically in so many directions and, to my thinking, the greatest beneficiary has been Conservatism. We now have a defined enemy; we now have the moral high-ground; we now have an alternative to the media information control; we now have some sense of community identity; we now have enemies that fear us instead of laughing at us; we now have a fair degree of control on the national agenda AND that of global affairs; we now have a growing support base which is becoming ideologically indoctrinated in Constitutional freedoms; we now are poised on a decade or more or governmental dominance; we now are witnessing the growing internecine warfare among our enemies and their central strategies disintegrate; we now have leadership in the form of a range of personalities in media, government and the web; we now have inroads into ethnic and minority communities and are seeing success in delivering our message of freedom; we are steam-rolling state after state with pro-gun legislation; we are increasing our presence on campuses across the US to the detriment of Leftist faculty and their agendas; we are now in the running, if not the control, of the tax, welfare, social security and educational debates…I could go on, but I wonder if any of this means anything to you at all?

Paraphrasing the Beatles…when you go talking about destruction, you ain't gonna make it with anyone anyhow.