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Soldiers sick: poison gas likely (Five taken to hospital for mustard gas symptoms)
Australian Associated Press ^ | April 8, 2003

Posted on 04/08/2003 1:03:43 AM PDT by HAL9000

THE US military was investigating today the 'likely' discovery of mustard gas near the central Iraqi city of Najaf after five soldiers developed blisters while on duty there, officers said.

The soldiers, from the 101st Airborne Division's 1st Brigade, suffered nausea as well as the blisters after walking into a building that stored Iraqi ammunition yesterday afternoon, military intelligence officer Captain Adam Mastrianni told AFP.

Mastrianni, attached to the division's Aviation Brigade, said initial tests showed the substance in the building was mustard gas, but more thorough tests were being conducted today to confirm that.

"It's fairly likely it was in fact mustard gas," Mastrianni said.

101st spokesman Lieutenant Eric Lake said the five soldiers were taken to a military hospital with blisters and nausea, but their conditions were not believed to be life-threatening.

Mastrianni said it was not yet clear where in the building the suspect substance was stored or whether it was packed into artillery shells.

If the substance is confirmed as mustard gas, Mastrianni said this was a breach of Iraqi President Saddam Hussein's commitment not to produce or use chemical weapons and other weapons of mass destruction.

"It's still a chemical agent and it's not supposed to be utilised," he said.

"The bottom line is it's one of the items he was supposed to be destroy."

US forces "secured" Najaf, 100 kilometres south-west of Baghdad, last week after about a week of intense fighting with forces loyal to Saddam.

The 101st soldiers are still in the Shi'ite Muslim holy city to ensure it remains secure for military and humanitarian operations.



TOPICS: Breaking News; Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 101stairborne; chemcialweapons; illegalweapons; iraq; iraqifreedom; mustard; mustardgas; saddamhussein; warlist
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1 posted on 04/08/2003 1:03:43 AM PDT by HAL9000
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To: HAL9000
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2 posted on 04/08/2003 1:06:20 AM PDT by fuzzy122
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To: HAL9000
Let's show these heroes our thanks!!!

Link to Send Your Thanks To the U.S. Military

13,143,240
people have signed Defend America's online Thank You Note to the men and women of the U.S. military.


Whooo-raaah!!!

MEGA-

Stay Strong
Fuzzy

3 posted on 04/08/2003 1:06:58 AM PDT by fuzzy122
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To: HAL9000; *war_list; W.O.T.
Hmm!

OFFICIAL BUMP(TOPIC)LIST

4 posted on 04/08/2003 1:08:02 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (Where is Saddam? and where is Tom Daschle?)
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To: HAL9000
"Paging Hans Blix........ Paging Hans Blix........."
5 posted on 04/08/2003 1:08:53 AM PDT by NotJustAnotherPrettyFace
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To: HAL9000
Interestingly, the ONLY news agency Mastrianni EVER talks to is Agence France Presse; doing a google search turns him up only in AFP articles.

And Mastrianni is the same guy who said earlier today that the chemicals at the first site were pesticides.
6 posted on 04/08/2003 1:11:43 AM PDT by John H K
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To: John H K
Interestingly, the ONLY news agency Mastrianni EVER talks to is Agence France Presse; doing a google search turns him up only in AFP articles.

AFP is apparently embedded with his unit.

And Mastrianni is the same guy who said earlier today that the chemicals at the first site were pesticides.

His comments may depend on the results of the most recent test and the timing of the interview.

7 posted on 04/08/2003 1:25:42 AM PDT by HAL9000
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To: HAL9000
This is a completely different location than the earlier one.

For some reason, people seem to be rolling them all together and thinking it's one big chemical site on FR...including this, the barrels near Karbala, the BM-21 rocket warheads, etc.

Yep, AFP has an imbed around him all the time, most likely.

However, when AFP had the article where he said it was pesticides, people began to spin all their usual conspiracy theories about AFP and such.
8 posted on 04/08/2003 1:33:28 AM PDT by John H K
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To: HAL9000
I don't think there are any frogs imbedded with the US forces. The French are not to be trusted thus knowing my friends in the armed forces, they would never allow it.

V


9 posted on 04/08/2003 1:55:01 AM PDT by Beck_isright (FLASH: CNN hires Baghdad Bob as new Operation Iraqi Freedom Military Analyst)
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To: HAL9000
Hope our guys are okay.

Thanks for the post. It will be interesting to see if this is confirmed . . .

If the substance is confirmed as mustard gas, Mastrianni said this was a breach of Iraqi President Saddam Hussein's commitment not to produce or use chemical weapons and other weapons of mass destruction.

10 posted on 04/08/2003 2:47:05 AM PDT by MeekOneGOP (Bu-bye Saddam! / Check out my Freeper site !: http://home.attbi.com/~freeper/wsb/index.html)
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To: HAL9000
Maybe someone with better posting skills than I could gather up all the stories on possible chem weapons find.

It's hard to keep up with them and keep straight whether a report is of a new incident or what.

11 posted on 04/08/2003 2:57:30 AM PDT by fightinJAG
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To: fightinJAG
That's a great idea. It's getting to the point where we need a table to keep it all straight.
12 posted on 04/08/2003 3:56:49 AM PDT by FreedomPoster
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To: HAL9000
Those pesticides are nasty stuff...
13 posted on 04/08/2003 4:40:20 AM PDT by Snake65 (Osama Bin Decomposing)
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To: MeeknMing
Im surprised at the lack of blaring headlines over the discovery of WMD. Is it because we knew we would find them? If this is so, it should be the final nail in the Useless Nations coffin. But wheather it will be remains to be seen. The Inspectors were there for 2 mos, and couldnt find anything. The troops were there for three weeks and have found more than one place housing the stuff! What does that tell you about UNSCOM? I dont believe they are incompetent, I believe they hate the US and were told not to look hard for the stuff.
14 posted on 04/08/2003 4:46:06 AM PDT by cardinal4 (The Senate Armed Services Comm; the Chinese pipeline into US secrets)
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To: Snake65
They had it wrong. It was ketchup gas.
15 posted on 04/08/2003 6:07:14 AM PDT by The Red Zone
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To: cardinal4
The Inspectors were there for 2 mos, and couldnt find anything.

Inspections can only be effective when the state cooperates. That never happened, therefore inspections never had a chance of succeeding. The whole concept of inspections in a hostile, uncooperative regime is a farce.

What's equally fascinating is the relatively unsophisticated and obvious "hiding places" for these weapons in military bunkers. What a waste of time, money and lives these last 12 years of UN games have been.

16 posted on 04/08/2003 6:28:10 AM PDT by browardchad
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To: John H K
The drums above ground are pesticides. It is the drums they found buried underground that are giving the on-site positive tests and samples of those will be brought to the US for further testing.

AFP was right about the original find -- those drums were pesticides. Upon further exploration, they found the buried drums with camoflage over the top of them to hide the barrels.

Two different finds at this "pesticide" plant. Not sure when AFP first reported that they knew about the ones buried.
17 posted on 04/08/2003 6:29:27 AM PDT by PhiKapMom (Get the US out of the UN and the UN out of the US)
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To: Snake65
They're essentially nerve agents for insects, very similar chemically to nerve agents intended for humans.
18 posted on 04/08/2003 6:42:57 AM PDT by expatpat
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To: cardinal4
While I share your animosity toward the U.N., I think that our folks have received almost unfettered access the last 2-3 weeks ! Well, there was that 'stiff resistance' by the Republican Guard. But many of those are literally STIFF now ! Makes a big difference !! :O)
19 posted on 04/08/2003 6:46:02 AM PDT by MeekOneGOP (Bu-bye Saddam! / Check out my Freeper site !: http://home.attbi.com/~freeper/wsb/index.html)
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To: HAL9000
Paydirt Alert #872
20 posted on 04/08/2003 6:47:08 AM PDT by NautiNurse
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To: fightinJAG
Maybe someone with better posting skills than I could gather up all the stories on possible chem weapons find.

I've tagged a lot of them with "Paydirt Alert," although many, if not most, are false positives.

21 posted on 04/08/2003 6:49:51 AM PDT by NautiNurse
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To: HAL9000
it was pesticides according to the updated report.
22 posted on 04/08/2003 6:52:07 AM PDT by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorisim by visiting www.johnathangaltfilms.com)
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To: cardinal4
The chemicals turned out to be agricultural pesticides. No blaring headlines warrented.
23 posted on 04/08/2003 6:53:28 AM PDT by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorisim by visiting www.johnathangaltfilms.com)
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To: PhiKapMom
This is the first I am hearing of camoflaged drums--links please.
24 posted on 04/08/2003 6:57:29 AM PDT by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorisim by visiting www.johnathangaltfilms.com)
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To: NautiNurse
Thank you. Even the false positives are worth keeping track of. I'm trying to see how many different sites have been suspicious.
25 posted on 04/08/2003 6:57:29 AM PDT by fightinJAG
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To: Destro
The drums themselves were not camoflaged but the the bunker itself was to keep anyone air surveillance from finding them. I didn't mean to infer the drums were camoflaged.

What was camoflaged was the cover over the trench where they were buried. MSNBC has the story!
26 posted on 04/08/2003 7:01:06 AM PDT by PhiKapMom (Get the US out of the UN and the UN out of the US)
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To: PhiKapMom
Link please
27 posted on 04/08/2003 7:04:25 AM PDT by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorisim by visiting www.johnathangaltfilms.com)
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To: John H K
This is a completely different location than the earlier one.

Iraq is the pesticide capital of the world, eh Johnnie?

28 posted on 04/08/2003 7:12:57 AM PDT by tallhappy
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To: fuzzy122
"...American Family Association (AFA) will deliver THE WORLD'S BIGGEST THANK YOU CARD to the home of PFC. Jessica Lynch..."

Oh, gag me!

What are they going to do for the 9 dead and 8 "missing" from the first attempt to free her?

Would we have expended 17 men if Pvt. Lynch had been male?

29 posted on 04/08/2003 7:14:37 AM PDT by Redbob
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To: HAL9000
They must have the mother of all mosquitos in Iraq...
30 posted on 04/08/2003 7:16:08 AM PDT by mewzilla
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To: fightinJAG
MSNBC summarised thus:
http://www.msnbc.com/news/895392.asp?vts=040820030710

31 posted on 04/08/2003 7:20:01 AM PDT by 1066AD
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To: Redbob
What nine dead and eight missing?
32 posted on 04/08/2003 7:33:51 AM PDT by Hermann the Cherusker
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To: Redbob
Those Marines went after the entire missing unit, likely right after they reported coming under attack. Those who died did so fighting against elements of the same force that captured the maintenance troops. And you better believe the SF would go after ANY American POW if they got intel on their whereabouts.

Do some fact checking before you post. There are better arguments against women in combat than erroneous ones.

LTS

33 posted on 04/08/2003 7:41:35 AM PDT by Liberty Tree Surgeon (Buy American, the Nation you save may be your own)
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To: Redbob
"Would we have expended 17 men if Pvt. Lynch had been male? "

Dude, I know what you mean, but let the people have their inspiration.

Sure, on some clinical level, it's not fair that pretty little girls get more attention than smelly ugly guys. Cuddly little bunnies also get more love that armadillos, but that's just our nature. Get over it.

34 posted on 04/08/2003 7:44:41 AM PDT by elfman2
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To: Redbob
What are they going to do for the 9 dead and 8 "missing" from the first attempt to free her?

I missed the reports of a 1st attempt to free her. (Forgive my ignorance on this point.)
I did hear about the bodies of 9 soldiers found at that site that were taken prisoner with her. BTW: The rescue team, having no shovels with them, dug up the bodies with their bare hands. Imagine risking their lives "wasting" time digging in the dirt with your bare hands for some dead bodies. Foolish. Right?

Would we have expended 17 men if Pvt. Lynch had been male?

I would hope the sex of the prisoner would not be a factor in the decision process.
I'm curious.
Are you suggesting that after receiving intel on her location and condition our military should not have attempted a rescue?

35 posted on 04/08/2003 7:52:55 AM PDT by fuzzy122
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To: expatpat
If I were hiding chemical weapons, I would store them in the same area that I stored pesticides. Perhaps buried beneath the drums of actual pesticides. I understand that they are similar chemical compositions.
36 posted on 04/08/2003 8:40:32 AM PDT by Marc Poor
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To: John H K
"For some reason, people seem to be rolling them all together and thinking it's one big chemical site on FR...including this, the barrels near Karbala, the BM-21 rocket warheads, etc"

It was an AFP story last night that rolled three seperate cites together under the name of the wrong city, specified 'smoking gun' aobut 5 times, and sneeringly called it all 'pesticide. I was the one ranting aobut the confusion and specifying the actual sites on several different threads.

37 posted on 04/08/2003 8:52:04 AM PDT by cake_crumb (UN Resolutions= Very Expensive, Very SCRATCHY Toilet Paper)
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To: HAL9000
I'm afraid you're mistaken. You see, there are no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq.

If they really found some bad stuff, it must have been planted by the coalition forces.

Saddam doesn't have weapons of mass destruction.

/sarcasm
38 posted on 04/08/2003 8:53:41 AM PDT by seams2me
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To: HAL9000
Another smoking gun!
39 posted on 04/08/2003 8:54:23 AM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: HAL9000
Prayers for these soldiers.
40 posted on 04/08/2003 8:55:24 AM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: HAL9000

41 posted on 04/08/2003 8:57:04 AM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: HAL9000
The stories are hard to keep seperated at this point in time........


42 posted on 04/08/2003 9:07:15 AM PDT by deport
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To: fightinJAG
http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&q=chemical+weapons

You'll find several articles from different sources regarding chemical weapons with the above google search......
43 posted on 04/08/2003 9:09:10 AM PDT by deport
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To: Marc Poor
Yes, they are very similar. Good point!
44 posted on 04/08/2003 9:49:49 AM PDT by expatpat
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To: Salvation
How long till the DUmmies start saying that we intentionally poisoned our own troops?
45 posted on 04/08/2003 9:51:36 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: deport
thank you
46 posted on 04/08/2003 11:56:49 AM PDT by fightinJAG
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To: HAL9000
Many of these stories are vague -- and there is the implication that some of the chemicals might be pesticides. Of course there is the one story that had an NPR reporter finding missiles and shells loaded with something -- I find it hard to believe that this stuff could be just bug-killer.
47 posted on 04/08/2003 12:13:51 PM PDT by rhombus
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To: HAL9000
We probably did ourselves we know the peaceful regime has no WMDs, France told us so. < /sarcasm >
48 posted on 04/08/2003 1:26:58 PM PDT by Dengar01 (Time's Up Saddam... Let's Roll!)
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To: deport
"On Sunday night, members of the chemical unit reported that they had identified the problem as CN, a riot-control gas that causes vomiting and blisters"

BS Alert

I have been exposed to CN on several occasions. During Army Chemical warfare training, soldiers were required to enter a chamber filled with CN. They entered wearing their protective masks. Once everyone was in the chamber, the door was closed and the DI removed his mask, THEN the DI had the soldiers, one at a time, remove their mask, sound off with name rank and number, then exit the chamber, one at a time in an orderly manner. Choking, crying and gasping was allowed once outside. This was done in Basic Combat Training, Advanced Individual Training and repeated periodically (Annually IIRC) throughout ones Army career.

Once outside the chamber, flushing the eyes and exposed skin with water pretty much eliminated the symptoms. I never saw any blisters or permanent injury from this exercise and I participated dozens of times as both trainee and trainer during the course of my fifteen years of service. I did observe vomiting occasionally but it was by no means considered serious; ordinarily resulting in the affected soldier simply flushing with water and soldiering on.
49 posted on 04/08/2003 2:30:51 PM PDT by Chuckster
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To: elfman2
Sure, on some clinical level, it's not fair that pretty little girls get more attention than smelly ugly guys. Cuddly little bunnies also get more love that armadillos, but that's just our nature. Get over it.

ROFL ... Great line, and absolutely true.

50 posted on 04/08/2003 7:25:30 PM PDT by AFPhys (((PRAYING for: President Bush & advisors, troops & families, Americans)))
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