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To: garbanzo
There aren't a lot a palatable options. Israel can't maintain a state of occupation indefinitely, it can't annex the area, and no one else is willing to either. Some sort of state is essentially inevitable. It's only a question of who runs it. Granted that the Palestians seems to be possessed of cultural insanity it's not clear that this won't lead to eventual war anyway.
Statehood often moderates terrorists, especially over time. Menachem Begin continued on a terroristic bent even after Israel gained statehood, he became a politician, a leader, and eventually a statesman.

The "road map" does not threaten Israel proper. Indeed it makes it more secure as the "Quartet" would become de facto guarantors of Israel's security. What it does is shoots down the dream of some in Israel (and some here) of expelling three million people from their homes in order to expand "Eretz Israel".

Ironically, their goal is identical to that of the radical Palestinians, with only the names of the people and places changed.

-Eric

11 posted on 04/08/2003 4:11:49 AM PDT by E Rocc (Sadam Hussein is a "Muslim" like Hugo Chavez is a "Christian")
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To: E Rocc
expelling three million people from their homes in order to expand "Eretz Israel".

You have no difficulty endorsing the expulsion of half a million people from their homes in order to create "Palestine."

21 posted on 04/08/2003 5:10:28 AM PDT by Alouette (Why is it called "International Law" if only Israel and the United States are expected to keep it?)
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To: E Rocc
"The "road map" does not threaten Israel proper. Indeed it makes it more secure as the "Quartet" would become de facto guarantors of Israel's security"

Having turned their back on Israel in 1967 and 1973 I wouldn't trust most of the Quartet as far as I could throw them. It's easy for an armchair supporter of terrorism like you because you're not the one in danger.
23 posted on 04/08/2003 5:15:11 AM PDT by Asher
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To: E Rocc
You have a very bad habit... you take the exception in Israel's history and make it the rule. You take the rule in Palestinian history and make it the exception.

To compare Menachim Begin to the leaders of Hamas and Fatah or worse to Arafat is warped.

Ben Gurion never approved of Begin or Irgun. The Israeli government turned over the Irgun to the British... and worked hard to disrupt their terror. Ben Gurion understood that terrorism was never justified.

Palestinian terror is state sanction, Arafat approved, Arab bought and paid for.

Statehood often moderates terrorists... what planet do you live on... There is nothing in Arafat's words that could leave anyone with sense to think that all Arafat will be satisified with the West Bank and Gaza. He has made it ver clear (since 1964) that he will be satisfied when Palestine includes the cities of Tel Aviv, Haifa, etc.

25 posted on 04/08/2003 5:19:01 AM PDT by carton253 (You are free to form your own opinions, but not your own facts.)
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To: E Rocc
Given what we know terrorists are capable of after 9/11, I have no real desire to take a chance on that theory.

Furthermore, by siding with Saddam, the Palestinians have defied Bush and the United States. They're going to have to face some sort of adverse consequences for their decision to side with Saddam.
42 posted on 04/08/2003 5:55:56 AM PDT by hchutch ("But tonight we get EVEN!" - Ice-T)
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To: E Rocc
The "road map" does not threaten Israel proper. Indeed it makes it more secure as the "Quartet" would become de facto guarantors of Israel's security. What it does is shoots down the dream of some in Israel (and some here) of expelling three million people from their homes in order to expand "Eretz Israel".

Ironically, their goal is identical to that of the radical Palestinians, with only the names of the people and places changed.

This is incorrect on so many levels. Obliging the fictitious "paelstinians" to honor their word, and either live in peace in Israel as citizens, or remove themselves to their lawful homeland of Jordan, is hardly on an equivalent moral plane as the genocidal activites of the renegade Arabs currently squatting on Israeli land.

Some introductory reading on the subject...

The British Mandate for Palestine
... In accordance with the principles of the Balfour Declaration and Article 22 of the
League Convenant, the League of Nations drew up the Mandate for Palestine. ...
www.mideastweb.org/mandate.htm - 30k - Cached - Similar pages

Front page of the League of Nations Mandate
... administration implementing the terms of the Balfour Declaration. ... received the approval
of the League of Nations only in ... The term mandate has also been used to ...
www.wzo.org.il/home/politic/league.htm - 3k - Cached - Similar pages

The Time Machine: 1908 - 1918
... Sokolow, Nahum (1859-1936); Map of the Pale of Settlement, 1835-1917; Balfour Declaration;
The League of Nations Mandate; The Old Yishuv; Habimah; Article 22 of the ...
www.wzo.org.il/home/time/1908.htm - 10k - Cached - Similar pages
[ More results from www.wzo.org.il ]

Mandate for Palestine - League of Nations Official Journal ( ...
... Excerpts from League of Nations Official Journal ... Date on which the question of the
Draft Mandate for Palestine ... Lord BALFOUR said that he had hoped that, in the ...
domino.un.org/unispal.nsf/a47250072a3dd7950525672400783bde/ b08168048e277b5a052565f70058cef3!OpenDocument - 19k - Cached - Similar pages

The British Mandate
... The terms of the British Mandate incorporated the language of the Balfour Declaration
and were approved by the League of Nations Council on July 24, 1922 ...
www.palestinefacts.org/pf_ww1_british_mandate.php - 11k - Cached - Similar pages

Purpose of the British Mandate
... document that establishes the British Mandate for the ... of the Covenant of the League
of Nations, to entrust ... His Britannic Majesty [the Balfour Declaration], and ...
www.palestinefacts.org/pf_mandate_purpose.php - 9k - Cached - Similar pages
[ More results from www.palestinefacts.org ]

Palestine: Information with Provenance
... Semites and Zionism; British Mandate in Palestine ... the Israel/Palestine conflict; League
of Nations and Palestine ... Jeffries, Chaim Weizmann, Arthur Balfour, Louis D ...
student.cs.ucc.ie/cs1064/jabowen/ IPSC/php/showArticles.php?tid=44 - 24k - Cached - Similar pages

Welcome to StateofIsrael.com!
... portion of the Covenant of the League of Nations. ... Covenant - along with the Balfour
Declaration - formed ... establishment of the British Mandate government, the ...
www.stateofisrael.com/ - 20k - Cached - Similar pages

United Nations: VIII. Palestine And The League Of Nations
... The mandate defines the obligations assumed by the Mandatory Power towards the League
of Nations, on whose ... are derived from the Balfour Declaration of 2 ...
www.palestineremembered.com/Acre/United-Nations,-The-Palestine-Problem/ Story720.html - 29k - Cached - Similar pages

Ariga: Peace: Historic Documents and Treaties: Home Page
... Period; Sykes-Picot Agreement (1916). The Balfour Declaration, November 2, 1917;
British White Paper 1922; The League of Nations Palestine Mandate 1922; League of ...
www.ariga.com/treaties/ - 24k - Cached - Similar pages

Many more links on the subject...

If you want to guarantee more and bloodier wars in the Middle East, follow the roadmap and reward terror.

It's long past time the Hashemite occupation of "palestine," which is East of the Jordan River, was ended.



113 posted on 04/08/2003 7:59:17 AM PDT by Sabertooth
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