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Iraqis Launch Counterattack in Baghdad
AP | 4/08/03 | CHRIS TOMLINSON and HAMZA HENDAWI

Posted on 04/08/2003 4:56:29 AM PDT by kattracks

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To: ArGee
"Therefore they are kept inside the weapon system."

That gives the air force the chance to save money by "Reloading" the casings.

21 posted on 04/08/2003 6:21:07 AM PDT by painter
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To: TopQuark
Yeah, I pretty much agree with your entire analysis. The Left is acting desperate. I believe another reason for their desperation is that they have a great fear that this war could be a major success. I am not sure that George W. Bush, the new sherriff, is going to clean up the entire neighborhood, but the Left surely seems terrified that he will.

"I just hope that it will be made explicit for the general public and remembered by it. In contrast to Vietnam, we have nowhere to retreat. They came here, and it is now our own homes and families that are in danger."

IMO, most Americans still get this pretty clearly, even if Hollywood and the liberals don't. However, I figure that the hard core leftists do understand it and have cynically aligned themselves with radical Islam merely because they see it as destructive to America.

22 posted on 04/08/2003 6:22:36 AM PDT by Sam Cree (liberals are the axis of evil)
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To: TopQuark
"All of their ugliness comes out, from anti-Americanism to anti-Semitism."

I guess the anti Semitism of the Left has been apparent for a long time, I first noticed it 34 years ago, when I was in college. But I am still shocked at how suddenly it has come out in the open worldwide, and especially in academia.

23 posted on 04/08/2003 6:29:47 AM PDT by Sam Cree (liberals are the axis of evil)
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To: kattracks
Iraqi forces staged a major counterattack Tuesday morning ...

"Will you walk into my parlor?" said the spider to the fly;
"'Tis the prettiest little parlor that ever you did spy."

24 posted on 04/08/2003 6:34:02 AM PDT by jlogajan
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To: kattracks
How about the suppliers of the busses and trucks?

Did Toyota violate the sanctions and supply weapons in the form of the technicals used as military vehicles?

Are the vehicle vendors less to blame than the Russians supplying rockets?

25 posted on 04/08/2003 6:34:19 AM PDT by bert (Don't Panic !)
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To: TopQuark
I have not solidified this opinion, but it appears that their extra degree of openness ---- recklessness even --- stems from desperation.

I agree with you. Imagine how it looks to them. Fox News is ruling cable news. Rush Limbaugh rules the radio. GWB fighting the war on terror, flags everywhere...control of the House and a growing majority in the Senate--one more victorious election cycle and whammo!--it has to be a terribly disappointing time for libs. I just don't believe upcoming generations will go for great society type programs.

26 posted on 04/08/2003 6:42:30 AM PDT by Huck
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To: kattracks
Let's sum up...

Iraqi forces staged a major counterattack Tuesday morning!

...At least 50 Iraqi fighters were killed...

Good grief, the media should learn to call a spade a spade. Iraqi soldiers (even that is too strong a word) made a feeble attempt to fight and got their collective asses handed back to them. End of story, next subject please.

27 posted on 04/08/2003 6:44:27 AM PDT by new cruelty
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To: Sam Cree; TopQuark
One other thought for the mix. It seems to me that the left thinks that the issue of war was put to rest by 1975. There will be no war, the issue was decided.

Now then comes W and challenges the well established no war principal, and not only that, he has the support of the vast majority of Americans.

The fundamental leftist belief that the concept of war had been for evermore eliminated is in jepordy. the peace will reign concept is no longer ascendant. Leftist Values are challenged and pulled down. Peace is not the answer.

28 posted on 04/08/2003 6:53:04 AM PDT by bert (Don't Panic !)
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To: bert
Yeah, probably. I agree that the Left hoped Viet Nam might end America's military power.

Only I think the Left only wanted America to be bound by such anti war dogma. My belief is that violence is always a major component of the Left's bag of tricks.

I don't at all consider the "anti war" Left to be truly anti war.

29 posted on 04/08/2003 7:11:09 AM PDT by Sam Cree (liberals are the axis of evil)
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To: Huck; TopQuark
Interesting that this topic come up on this thread, there have been others of a similar nature, most recently that one from Pat Rooney from BOND. Read it if you have not, very uplifting.

While I agree that there has been a huge shift in the “mood” of America, I think there is work to be done in defining what we truly stand for. We know what we are not, just look at: anti-war protesters, France, Germany, the UN, Canada, Iraq, Saddam, the Taliban and Democrats and it is clear the majority of Americans want nothing to do with these guys.

A new dawn has arrived, the 4th turning has begun, the next 12 -24 months will define where we go as a nation. The battle for the “great middle” has begun. It is a battle of ideas, we are well positioned to win, but do not count the socialist/Democrats out, they do not give up easily.

30 posted on 04/08/2003 7:25:59 AM PDT by schu
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To: Sam Cree; bert
I don't at all consider the "anti war" Left to be truly anti war.

I am fairly sure that they would rationalize any war in which America migh loose. As long as they can dismantle the institutions that made this country great --- they'll welcome anything towards that end.

31 posted on 04/08/2003 7:30:33 AM PDT by TopQuark
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To: schu; Sam Cree; bert
but do not count the socialist/Democrats out, they do not give up easily.

You are absolutely correct. In my opinion the main danger lies in the framing of the problem as a political one. It is not. We witness a two-century-long retreat of religion and Judeo-Christian values. It is because this vacuum exists that we fight battles with the Left. In that regard, the other side has already one most of Western civilization. The real reason for the conflict between us and Euroepans is that Christianity is almost entirely gone from the continent, whereas this country is still fighting that battle; at least a large portion of the country is still Christian.

In order to see that the Left is wrong one has to be able to differentiate right from wrong. What is the source of knowledge for that? I could not find any but the Judeo-Christian foundation on which this country was built and the Christian roots of its history.

There real battle lies therefore in "plugging up" this spiritual vacuum.

32 posted on 04/08/2003 7:40:01 AM PDT by TopQuark
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To: schu
A new dawn has arrived, the 4th turning has begun, the next 12 -24 months will define where we go as a nation. The battle for the “great middle” has begun. It is a battle of ideas, we are well positioned to win, but do not count the socialist/Democrats out, they do not give up easily.

It is an ebb and flow, it seems to me. We went from Ronald Reagan to x42 in 4 years time. However, Reagan left behind a strong political legacy--I truly believe we owe our Congressional majority to him. Would we have had all those young turks in the House without Ronald Reagan? I don't think so.

x42 has left a legacy, but it won't be the kind that helps their party. GWB has restored honor to the White House. This is a good time for conservatism. We will win some victories. 9-11 determined our priorities. I wonder what we will be able to accomplish in several key domestic areas: the courts, the failed entitlement programs (SS, Medicare), and tax policy.

33 posted on 04/08/2003 7:53:25 AM PDT by Huck
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To: schu
Further note: There are a few real shining lights out there for the GOP. Rick Santorum comes to mind.
34 posted on 04/08/2003 8:06:13 AM PDT by Huck
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To: ovrtaxt
"The AN/GAU-8 30mm Avenger seven-barrel gatling gun, mounted only on the A-10 attack jet, is a 30mm, 7 barrel gattling gun used primarily in the air to ground role as a soft target killer and tank buster. This aircraft is used for close-air support in attacking ground threats such as armored tanks and vehicles, and also serves as a forward air control observer for sighting ground threats and directing air strikes against enemy targets. The gun, mounted in the fuselage nose of the A/OA-10 Thunderbolt, is produced by [ex General Electric] Martin Marietta Armament Systems.

According to some sources, the GAU-8 fires 1,800 rounds per minute, with the higher 4200 rd/min rate having been deleted in the 1980s. However, the A-10 can only fire in high rate, which is 3900 rounds per minute. Low rate went out with the use of the batelle gas diverting device, and although the A-10 no longer uses the batelle device, the limit on high rate only has remained, since it made no tactical sense to fire in low rate and have to spend that much more time on final to get the same number of rounds on target.

The gun fires a mix of both high explosive incendiary (HEI) and armored piercing incendiary (API) ammunition. The PGU-13/B HEI High Explosive Incendiary round employs a standard M505 fuze and explosive mixture with a body of naturally fragmenting material that is effective against lighter vehicle and material targets. The PGU-14/B API Armor Piercing Incendiary round has a lightweight body which contains a sub-calibre high density penetrator of Depleted Uranium (DU). In addition to its penetrating capability DU is a natural pyrophoric material which enhances the incendiary effects. "
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/equip/gau-8.htm
35 posted on 04/08/2003 8:15:50 AM PDT by ironman
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To: ironman
Ouch!
36 posted on 04/08/2003 8:17:34 AM PDT by wireman
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To: Sam Cree
I don't at all consider the "anti war" Left to be truly anti war.

More to the point, I think that the left has been in a low grade war with us for a long time now.

37 posted on 04/08/2003 8:41:43 AM PDT by Petruchio (Single, Available, and easy)
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To: Petruchio
True. And they're stepping it up now.
38 posted on 04/08/2003 8:50:45 AM PDT by Sam Cree (liberals are the axis of evil)
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