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Arabs Shocked, Relieved at Baghdad's Fall(AP article, not NYT's)
Yahoo! News ^ | 04/09/03 | DONNA ABU-NASR

Posted on 04/10/2003 12:23:03 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster

Arabs Shocked, Relieved at Baghdad's Fall

Wed Apr 9, 3:54 PM ET

By DONNA ABU-NASR, Associated Press Writer

RIYADH, Saudi Arabia - The fall of Baghdad provoked shock and disbelief Wednesday among Arabs, who expressed hope that other oppressive regimes would crumble but also disappointment that Saddam Hussein (news - web sites) did not put up a better fight against America.

"Why did he fall that way? Why so fast?" said Yemeni homemaker Umm Ahmed, tears streaming down her face. "He's a coward. Now I feel sorry for his people."

Arabs clustered at TV sets in shop windows, coffee shops, kitchens and offices to watch the astounding pictures of U.S. troops overwhelming an Arab capital for the first time ever.

Feeling betrayed and misled, some turned off their sets in disgust when jubilant crowds in Baghdad celebrated the arrival of U.S. troops.

"We discovered that all what the (Iraqi) information minister was saying was all lies," said Ali Hassan, a government employee in Cairo, Egypt. "Now no one believes Al-Jazeera anymore."

In a live report from Baghdad, correspondent Shaker Hamed of Abu Dhabi Television said:"We are all in shock. How did things come to such an end? How did U.S. tanks enter the center of the city? Where is the resistance? This collapse is puzzling. Was it the result of the collapse of communications between the commanders? Between the political leadership? How come Baghdad falls so easily."

Mohammed al-Shahhal, a 49-year-old teacher in Tripoli, Lebanon, said the scenes reminded him of the collapse of the Soviet Union.

"Those who applauded the collapse of Lenin's statue for some Pepsi and hamburgers felt the hunger later on and regretted what they did," al-Shahhal said.

However, Tannous Basil, a 47-year-old cardiologist in Sidon, Lebanon, said Saddam's regime was a "dictatorship and had to go."

"I don't like the idea of having the Americans here, but we asked for it," he said. "Why don't we see the Americans going to Finland, for example? They come here because our area is filled with dictatorships like Saddam's."

Tarek al-Absi, a Yemeni university professor, was hopeful Saddam's end presaged more democracy in the region.

"This is a message for the Arab regimes, and could be the beginning of transformation in the Arab region," al-Absi said. "Without the honest help of the Western nations, the reforms will not take place in these countries."

The overwhelming emotions for many Arabs were disbelief or disillusionment after weeks of hearing Saddam's government pledge a "great victory" or fight to the death against "infidel invaders."

"We Arabs are clever only at talking," Haitham Baghdadi, 45, said bitterly in Damascus, Syria. "Where are the Iraqi weapons? Where are the Iraqi soldiers?"

Many resorted to conspiracy theories to explain the rapid collapse.

"There must have been treason," said Ahmed Salem Batmira, an Omani political analyst.

"It seems there was some deal. Saddam has put himself ahead of his people," said Yemeni government employee Saad Salem el-Faqih, 50.

Three men having tea and smoking in a coffee shop in Riyadh were unsettled as they watched the TV — even though they said they were against Saddam and felt sorry for the long-suffering Iraqis.

"I can't say that I'm happy about what's going on because these are non-Muslim forces that have gone in and I hope they will not stay," said Mohammed al-Sakkaf, a 58-year-old businessman.

Many said they were disturbed by images of U.S. troops lounging in Saddam's palaces or draping the U.S. flag around the head of a Saddam statue.

"Liberation is nobler than that," said Walid Abdul-Rahman, one of the three Saudis. "They should not be so provocative."

In Jordan, hotel receptionist Wissam Fakhoury, 28, said he was disappointed in the Baghdad crowds.

"I spit on them," he said. "Do those crowds who are saluting the Americans believe that the United States will let them live better?" Fakhoury said. Americans "will loot their oil and control their resources, leaving them nothing."

Bahraini physician Hassan Fakhro, 62, said he was saddened.

"Whatever I'm seeing is very painful because although Saddam Hussein was a dictator, he represented some kind of Arab national resistance to the foreign invaders — the Americans and the British," Fakhro said.

After an anti-war march in Khartoum, Sudan, lawyer Ali Al-Sayed said U.S. troops should not misinterpret the relief as an invitation to stay.

"Those people under oppression will not have any national feeling, so they will be happy to see someone removing a dictator and liberating them," al-Sayed said. "But the moment they feel free and liberated, they will not tolerate a foreign presence."

Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak (news - web sites), an uncomfortable U.S. ally in the war, said the quickest way to achieve stability now would be for U.S. troops to withdraw. "Iraqis must take control over of their country as fast as possible," Mubarak told Egypt's official news agency, MENA.

Saudi Foreign Minister Prince Saud, looking upset at a news conference, called for a quick end to Iraq (news - web sites)'s "occupation." In a rare departure from diplomacy, Saud responded to a question about Arab anger toward the United States with: "I don't want to talk about anger if you don't mind today."


TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aljazeera; arabs; humiliation; iraq; lies; shock; war; warlist
"Why did he fall that way? Why so fast?" said Yemeni homemaker Umm Ahmed, tears streaming down her face. "He's a coward. Now I feel sorry for his people."

"We discovered that all what the (Iraqi) information minister was saying was all lies," said Ali Hassan, a government employee in Cairo, Egypt. "Now no one believes Al-Jazeera anymore."

A couple of of the choice quotes here. There are more. All of them show that Arabs were lied to by their medias and a huge letdown sets in again.

1 posted on 04/10/2003 12:23:03 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster
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To: All
I am a monthly poster. Are you?
2 posted on 04/10/2003 12:23:40 AM PDT by Support Free Republic (Your support keeps Free Republic going strong!)
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To: Admin Moderator
Please do not delete this article because it has the same title as the NYT article posted earlier. The author and the content are entirely different.
3 posted on 04/10/2003 12:24:45 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster
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To: TigerLikesRooster
It won't be locked. Even the admin moderator can see its a different source.
4 posted on 04/10/2003 12:26:18 AM PDT by goldstategop (Lara Logan Doesn't Hold A Candle Next To BellyGirl :))
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To: TigerLikesRooster; *war_list; W.O.T.; Dog Gone; Grampa Dave; blam; Sabertooth; NormsRevenge; ...
Good one!

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5 posted on 04/10/2003 12:26:44 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (Where is Saddam? and where is Tom Daschle?)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
bttt
6 posted on 04/10/2003 1:12:09 AM PDT by lainde
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To: TigerLikesRooster
Jeez, this reads like something from France.

"SAVE US!"

"Okay, so we're saved. Now get the **** outta here!"
7 posted on 04/10/2003 1:25:45 AM PDT by JoJo Gunn (Help control the Leftist population. Have them spayed or neutered....)
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To: JoJo Gunn
Actually, I'm more sort of struck by the cliched "four stages of mourning" process, applied on a grander scale to their perception. Death of a perception, so to speak. What is it again? Denial, anger, sorrow, acceptance? Or is that denial, anger, a sandwich, and acceptance? It's been a while since Psych 101. :-P

Although the overall point is: Any shift in the perceptions of these people is going to take a long time. The ex-Soviets STILL have some of that residual "Joe Stalin is coming back some day" fear...this is a long haul, and a great start, but when I say long haul, I mean...maybe not in my lifetime, and I'm still pretty wet behind the ears. But there can be no doubt that whatever these folks are SAYING right now, they are questioning their own views quietly in private -- taking long, hard looks in the mirror (and at the TV). I wouldn't want to be them. There is no MORAL equivalency here, I would NEVER argue that, so please don't flame, but there is a "shock" component that one might compare to 9/11 -- remember how it felt to us on that day. But we've adjusted. Some are not as flexible as the Americans -- we adapt fast (one of our best qualities, in my opinion). These guys are stuck hundreds of years behind us. No Rousseau or Locke for them, just a steady diet of fanatacism for as far as the eye can see.

I remain...cautiously optimistic. :-)
8 posted on 04/10/2003 1:58:45 AM PDT by Kip Lange (The Khaki Pants of Freedom)
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To: TigerLikesRooster
Many said they were disturbed by images of U.S. troops lounging in Saddam's palaces or draping the U.S. flag around the head of a Saddam statue.

I'm going to "go out on a limb" here (heh) and say I'm betting someone got a SERIOUS yelling at today over that. It was even more hokey when we tried to fix it by using the Iraqi flag. Knowing that we had just liberated all the journalists, we should have been acutely aware of all the intense scrutiny that was going to be on this moment. I would have liked to have seen Saddam's mouth get stuffed with the flag, then the head covered with the Iraqi flag.

That being said, I certainly can't blame those brave Marines for wanting to get a little back -- or heck, for ALL of us wanting to get a little back, just a little poke in the eye, for all the crap we've taken over the past months/years/decades (for some of us, on foreign policy). The large point is the absurdity of me wincing at one of the greatest symbols of liberty, peace, and all that is good -- the American flag -- because of my concern over the propaganda/information wars. Which I don't feel we should have to fight in the first place, because we are a good and just people, and the American flag is more than just an *American* symbol.

I get angry about that. It is patently unfair. Not a single one of us should wince at the sight of our flag. Damn those who make us feel that way. Damn the liberals. And damn the liberal media.

9 posted on 04/10/2003 2:08:26 AM PDT by Kip Lange (The Khaki Pants of Freedom)
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To: Kip Lange
"I remain...cautiously optimistic"

Yep, Freedom will be a curse to some. The human mind can accept and even miss the most heinous of things. To paraphrase Manson, "if you get beaten with a whip, you begin to like the whip". sigh
10 posted on 04/10/2003 2:17:37 AM PDT by JoJo Gunn (Help control the Leftist population. Have them spayed or neutered....)
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To: TigerLikesRooster
Feeling betrayed and misled, some turned off their sets in disgust...

Gosh, I usually feel that way by the fourth inning of an Orioles game.

11 posted on 04/10/2003 2:24:36 AM PDT by rabidralph (Hey, Saddumb, All Your Base Are Belong To Us)
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To: rabidralph
Red Sox fan here would like to say: "I feel your pain". ;-)
12 posted on 04/10/2003 2:33:42 AM PDT by Kip Lange (The Khaki Pants of Freedom)
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To: TigerLikesRooster
"al-Sayed said. "But the moment they feel free and liberated, they will not tolerate a foreign presence."

They "tolerated" a dictator, Mr. Al-Sayed, you ignorant *ss. Why didn't YOU go and "help" them, jerk. Yet, YOU sit on the sidelines and complain while THEY dance in the streets and kiss our military and give them flowers. Guess who is appreciated and who isn't?

13 posted on 04/10/2003 3:02:45 AM PDT by kcvl
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To: TigerLikesRooster
Haitham Baghdadi, 45, said bitterly in Damascus, Syria. "Where are the Iraqi weapons? Where are the Iraqi soldiers?"

Oh, they blowed up good. They blowed up real good.

14 posted on 04/10/2003 3:38:31 AM PDT by thedugal (The leftists will eat crow til they sh!t feathers!)
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To: TigerLikesRooster
"Whatever I'm seeing is very painful because although Saddam Hussein was a dictator, he represented some kind of Arab national resistance to the foreign invaders — the Americans and the British," Fakhro said.

Translation: "Saddam may have been an evil, ruthless, bloodthirsty, horrific dictator, but at least he was a Muslim. As for the American and British liberators of the Iraqi people, an infidel is an infidel, no matter how kind and compassionate and decent he may be."

15 posted on 04/10/2003 3:44:46 AM PDT by shezza
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To: Kip Lange
Word is that one of the Marines standing there had been in the Pentagon the morning of September 11, 2001. He had been carrying that American flag with him for months, and pulled it out to pass to the guy affixing the chains on the statue. I don't begrudge this Marine the moment one bit.
16 posted on 04/10/2003 3:47:48 AM PDT by shezza
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To: Kip Lange
Aha, here's a linking story about that American flag.
17 posted on 04/10/2003 3:50:10 AM PDT by shezza
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