Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Why is African violence ignored?
New York Daily News ^ | 4-10-2003 | Stanley Crouch

Posted on 04/10/2003 10:29:37 PM PDT by jocon307

A couple of days ago, I went to a lunch to celebrate Paul Theroux's new book, "Dark Star Safari: Overland From Cairo to Cape Town."

"One of the epiphanies of my trip," he writes, "was the realization that where the mode of life had changed significantly in the Africa I had known, it had changed for the worse."

When Theroux and I talked, he observed that he had noticed something very strange in The New York Times in the last couple of days - a short Associated Press story about "966 victims [who] were killed in an April 3 assault on the Roman Catholic mission in Drodro and 14 surrounding villages, 50 miles northeast of Bunia, the provincial capital [of the Democratic Republic of the Congo]."

Theroux was disturbed because he had seen another story in the same edition - twice as long, by my word count - in which great concern was expressed about the declining gorilla and chimpanzee populations of Central Africa; they are being killed off by the Ebola virus and poaching.

To me, his observation is not about a greater concern for animals than for people. It is about the double standard for oppressive behavior. In other words, if those 966 people had been victims of a white colonial regime as opposed to being victims of tribal warfare, it would be a front-page story.

Black journalists, TransAfrica, the Congressional Black Caucus, the NAACP, the Revs. Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton, the Nation of Islam and every leftist periodical and radio station would be screaming bloody murder, and for good reason: It would be bloody murder. But it takes some imagination to blame everything, yet again, on the white man as opposed to the ever-ready demons of human nature. So such atrocities are met with silence.

That silence was also exposed on Oprah Winfrey's March 12 show about the female sex slaves of Africa who have been kidnapped, raped, mutilated, made into erotic toys and slaughtered by the thousands by tribal warriors and rebel units as brutal as any violent men in recorded history.

Again, if those women were the victims of Europeans, you can be sure American Negroes and their leftist compatriots would, correctly, scream down the moon.

But it seems we have no loud concerns about what is going on in Sierra Leone or Uganda, the two examples discussed on the Winfrey show with Naomi Wolf, the writer and journalist, and Catherine Wiesner, head of child protection programs for the International Rescue Committee in Sierra Leone.

Wolf described what she saw in Sierra Leone as an unprecedented sexual holocaust, then introduced Wiesner, whose team sends videotaped messages between abducted girls and their families. The emotional tapes have led to the release of 50 girls. "It's the most rewarding job I can think of having," Wiesner said.

Such atrocities prove that we need a single standard, let the chips fall where they may. Or we need to shut up and stop pretending we are so concerned about the troubled fates of Africans.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: africa; atrocities; paultheroux; racism; sierraleone; stanleycrouch; uganda
Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-5051-78 next last
mhking, please post to the Black Conservative thread (I don't know how to do that!)
1 posted on 04/10/2003 10:29:37 PM PDT by jocon307
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: All
There's A Better Way To Beat The Media Clymers (And You Don't Have To Skate)!

Donate Here By Secure Server

Or mail checks to
FreeRepublic , LLC
PO BOX 9771
FRESNO, CA 93794

or you can use

PayPal at Jimrob@psnw.com

STOP BY AND BUMP THE FUNDRAISER THREAD-
It is in the breaking news sidebar!

2 posted on 04/10/2003 10:30:56 PM PDT by Support Free Republic (Your support keeps Free Republic going strong!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: jocon307
$$$$$$$$$... that's why they're ignored.
3 posted on 04/10/2003 10:33:42 PM PDT by cyborg
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: jocon307
I hate to say this, but there's a very good reason the US doesn't ever want to intervene militarily in Africa.

AIDS.

It's a well-known fact that servicemen like their fun. In Africa, that "fun" is likely to be infected. The US government is well aware that the Cuban war in Angola resulted in most of the soldiers sent there being infected by prostitutes. Thus Castro quarantined them when they returned. In the US, the ACLU would never allow a quarantine.

Which is why you won't see US troops in sub-Saharan Africa any time soon.

4 posted on 04/10/2003 10:34:38 PM PDT by Kenno
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Kenno
That never occured to me. Scary stuff. Perhaps the military should teach the soldiers to keep it in their pants. Besides AIDS, you also have illegitimate children (Vietnam),etc. I didn't know that about Cuba though.
5 posted on 04/10/2003 10:38:08 PM PDT by cyborg
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

Comment #6 Removed by Moderator

To: gcochran
If you are right, that's worse than not going because there's no dollars in it or because of AIDS. Saddam was a dictator and we went into Iraq because he alleged had weapons of mass destruction and liberate the Iraqi people. However, is this example of what's going in Africa any better than Iraq? It is WORSE.
7 posted on 04/10/2003 10:48:28 PM PDT by cyborg
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: Kenno
Nope. There are three real reasons.

(1) There aren't any countries there that are an effective threat to the United States - unlike Iraq.
(2) There is no good economic benefit for intervening - unlike Iraq.
(3) The only effective solution in most of those places involves shooting a few thousand black folks. Which no Republican administration would dare to do. And the Democrats aren't interested in military power projection.

So the Africans are screwed unless they solve their own problems.

8 posted on 04/10/2003 10:49:08 PM PDT by dark_lord
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: cyborg
I suspect there are at least two (and probably more) reasons; 1. Most of Africa doesn't have weapons of mass destruction and while they kill each other, they don't pose a threat to the West. 2. They don't have abundant oil. Sadly, the Mugabe's of Africa seem to have free reign.
9 posted on 04/10/2003 10:49:48 PM PDT by umgud
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: gcochran
Yep, I'm afraid you're right. Too bad. Isn't Africa considered France's sphere of influence? That could explain a lot, also. The trouble is, the only way to prevent the Africans from slaughtering each other is to colonize them, and run them ourselves. Aid in the form of money is wasted or stolen, food is stolen and sold for profit, etc., and warlords rule the day. A sick, sad situation. I feel sorry for them, but there's little we can do for those who will not help themselves.
10 posted on 04/10/2003 10:49:50 PM PDT by jim35
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: umgud
People like Mugabe rule over their people with an iron fist. It's the rank and file who suffer and are trapped. I believe that many Africans do want to help themselves, but the government kills, starves, rapes their children if they don't do what they say. It's sad that governments need to be threatened to get their attention.
11 posted on 04/10/2003 10:55:17 PM PDT by cyborg
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 9 | View Replies]

To: jocon307
Africa is not a vital geopolitical interest. It will be in the future when China has bases on the Atlantic coast, but not until then. Whatever happens in Africa simply does not affect much of the rest of the world, and that is why it is ignored. This might not be a very moral reason, but it is reality.
12 posted on 04/10/2003 10:57:20 PM PDT by remitrom
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: jocon307
Good column.
13 posted on 04/10/2003 11:00:08 PM PDT by NYCVirago
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Kenno
Well, we kind of have our hands full at the moment. What is it we are supposed to do anyway? Most of their problems don't require a military solution.
14 posted on 04/10/2003 11:08:57 PM PDT by RJayneJ
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: dark_lord
So the Africans are screwed unless they solve their own problems.

Fancy that! Expecting a country and a people to solve their own (all too often self-made) problems. What is the world coming to?

15 posted on 04/10/2003 11:11:11 PM PDT by yankeedame ("Oh, I can take it, but I'd much rather dish it out.")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: cyborg
and they don't pose a threat with WMD...
16 posted on 04/10/2003 11:13:12 PM PDT by sabe@q.com
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: RJayneJ
Exactly.

I'm not sure the point of this article is that nothing is being done by the US, France, or whomever else from the outside, it's that there is no outcry about the attrocities.

And the reason is simple. Racism. Liberal white racism. And liberal black embarrasment that their liberal white friends are racists, who honestly believe that civilized behavior must be demanded of whites, but cannot be expected of blacks. Ugandan President Museveni has discussed this phenomenon at length several times, though he's enough of a statesman to avoid the "r" word, as well as the "l" word.

17 posted on 04/10/2003 11:23:14 PM PDT by TheHeterodoxConservative
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 14 | View Replies]

To: RJayneJ
Where did you get the impression I was calling for one? I was merely explaining why we're not likely to intervene there in the near future even if a good reason does come up.
18 posted on 04/10/2003 11:25:39 PM PDT by Kenno
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 14 | View Replies]

To: TheHeterodoxConservative
Africa is not civilized, their educational system is non-existent, they have nothing of value, and every possible disease and problem imaginable. Frankly the only thing we should do to Africans is tell them (1) you are morons for living in Africa and (2) move.
19 posted on 04/10/2003 11:27:52 PM PDT by Naspino
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 17 | View Replies]

To: Naspino
Frankly the only thing we should do to Africans is tell them (1) you are morons for living in Africa and (2) move.

Hopefully you're not suggesting they move here.

20 posted on 04/10/2003 11:31:30 PM PDT by Mr. Mojo
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 19 | View Replies]

To: yankeedame
Do you think every citizen in Africa is responsible for african problems? Not every problem african has is self inflicted, and THAT sentiment can be put upon by every other nation as well.
21 posted on 04/10/2003 11:34:05 PM PDT by cyborg
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 15 | View Replies]

To: jocon307; mhking; rdb3; mafree
mhking, please post to the Black Conservative thread (I don't know how to do that!)

First, you need to do a separate post with his name in the "To:" box. That way it will come up on his self search. Please, allow me.

22 posted on 04/10/2003 11:35:02 PM PDT by farmfriend ( Isaiah 55:10,11)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Naspino
Your ignorance is amazing.
23 posted on 04/10/2003 11:35:15 PM PDT by cyborg
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 19 | View Replies]

To: gcochran
We tried it once, in Somalia. Tragically, the fiasco that was Somalia made it politically unfeasible to intervene in Rwanda. Of course when you had a President that only cared about his own poll numbers, that's how it goes.
24 posted on 04/10/2003 11:37:52 PM PDT by dfwgator
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: jim35
The French have a policy of supporting French-speaking countries against all others. This is why they supported the murderous Hutus in Rwanda, the Tutsis were aided by English-speaking Uganda. When asked about Rwanda, the pig Francois Mitterrand replied, "in a country like Rwanda, a genocide is not that important."
25 posted on 04/10/2003 11:39:45 PM PDT by dfwgator
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 10 | View Replies]

To: TheHeterodoxConservative
The answer is culture...why are there crack dealers in black neighborhoods throughout the US? Because they allow it and a lot really don't give a damn. You will be hard pressed to find poor white areas with dirtbags on the corners hawking drugs in the suburbs...cultural...think about it.
26 posted on 04/10/2003 11:42:22 PM PDT by chasio649
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 17 | View Replies]

To: chasio649
Oh please...stop it. Why is it on FR that people do this? You obviously have never been to a poor white neighborhood on Long Island lately.
27 posted on 04/10/2003 11:45:34 PM PDT by cyborg
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 26 | View Replies]

To: cyborg
ok..it's not culture..you are so very right....we are all the same..lalalalalalala...
28 posted on 04/10/2003 11:49:58 PM PDT by chasio649
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 27 | View Replies]

Comment #29 Removed by Moderator

Comment #30 Removed by Moderator

To: chasio649
I know as many white youth smoking crack,heroine, X, crystal meth, as anyone else. You just want to get away with saying that black neighborhoods are rife with drugs and white ones aren't without someone calling you on that.
31 posted on 04/10/2003 11:54:00 PM PDT by cyborg
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 28 | View Replies]

To: gcochran
I am sure in the end it's about money. I guess I should not expect much out of the government to do something when it counts, esp. in this situation.
32 posted on 04/10/2003 11:55:42 PM PDT by cyborg
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 29 | View Replies]

To: jocon307
Why is African violence ignored?

Like they used to say about the Mafia, "They only kill each other."

33 posted on 04/10/2003 11:56:13 PM PDT by The Great Satan (Revenge, Terror and Extortion: A Guide for the Perplexed)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: cyborg
That's exactly what i am saying...and i am sure those little white boys are dressed like hiphop gangsta wannabes...so what does that tell you?
34 posted on 04/10/2003 11:57:59 PM PDT by chasio649
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 31 | View Replies]

To: jocon307
Duh...no oil...no money...Cant save every one
35 posted on 04/10/2003 11:58:25 PM PDT by antaresequity
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: chasio649
Actually not really. Most are dressed like they're either in the trench coat mafia, grunge metal or well dressed. Your statements make you sound ignorant and prejudiced. You ought to get more information before you say things like that. Not every black neighborhood is your south central fantasy. Not even South-Central LA is the way rap videos portray it. I went to visit my aunt in South Central, and I was amazed how clean, how quiet this part of SC was.
36 posted on 04/11/2003 12:04:57 AM PDT by cyborg
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 34 | View Replies]

To: jocon307
Crouch makes way too much sense for a liberal.

He's coming over to our side.

37 posted on 04/11/2003 12:07:54 AM PDT by Rome2000
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: cyborg
http://fredoneverything.net/RaceThoughts.shtml


Since i'm ignorant, uninformed and not very worldly...i'll leave you with this to chew on.
38 posted on 04/11/2003 12:40:16 AM PDT by chasio649
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 36 | View Replies]

To: jocon307
If it wasn't for the MidEast Oil, the Arab/Israeli conflict would be ignored like the Hutu and Tutsis.
39 posted on 04/11/2003 12:44:06 AM PDT by Willie Green (Go Pat Go!!!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: chasio649
I never said you were ignorant. I said your statements make you sound ignorant. But this discussion we are having is not on the topic of this thread. I would be more than happy to discuss it in FReepmail with you. Otherwise, I have nothing else to say.
40 posted on 04/11/2003 12:47:06 AM PDT by cyborg
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 38 | View Replies]

To: cyborg
I'll tell you why Africa is ignored (but I'll bet you already know).

There is NO vital interest there for the USA. We have no business there.

If the UN weren't a bunch of commie/socialist/dictator loving wimps, this would be what they were created for. But alas, they are a worthless organization.

There you have it -
1) not our job
2) can't be done by the people whose job it is
41 posted on 04/11/2003 1:13:59 AM PDT by KingKongCobra
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 40 | View Replies]

To: rdb3; Khepera; elwoodp; MAKnight; condolinda; mafree; Trueblackman; FRlurker; Teacher317; ...
Black conservative ping

If you want on (or off) of my black conservative ping list, please let me know via FREEPmail. (And no, you don't have to be black to be on the list!)

Extra warning: this is a high-volume ping list.

42 posted on 04/11/2003 2:23:34 AM PDT by mhking ("It's life, Jim, but not as we know it, not as we know it, not as we know it...")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Kenno
Since April 1, 2003

Welcome to FR.

Total BS. Nice try.
43 posted on 04/11/2003 3:20:42 AM PDT by KeyWest
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: chasio649
Agreed. Only a naive fool wearing rose colored glasses, or in other words, a liberal, would insist that we're all the same and there are no cultural differences.
44 posted on 04/11/2003 3:23:02 AM PDT by TAIPAN22001 (N)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 38 | View Replies]

To: gcochran
Most of African has fallen under the rule of Marxists. THAT, in my humble opinion, is why those who usually yell loudest about human rights, aren't making much noise. They don't care what socialist Ba-athists do to their own people, they don't care what Kim Jong Il does to his people, they don't care what Castro does to his people, they don't care what happens in China, South America, the Maghreb.... it's all overshadowed completely by the "atrocities" in Israel, dontchaknow.
45 posted on 04/11/2003 5:38:57 AM PDT by Anamensis (Human Shields = wankers)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: gcochran
Mainly, nobody cares.

Why bother?

46 posted on 04/11/2003 5:40:05 AM PDT by bert (Don't Panic !)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

Comment #47 Removed by Moderator

To: dark_lord
You are dead on. Especially with no 3. Can you imagine the reaction from the left if we did in Africa what we are doing in Iraq? Make no mistake, the only solution is the "aggressive use of force".
48 posted on 04/11/2003 7:19:13 AM PDT by Lost Highway
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: cyborg
Are you referring to the lack of financial interest the US has in these areas ? My own take, sadly, is that it is because these are not people of "European" heritage.

To their credit, the only sector which has been interested in these stories are the Christians in this country.

49 posted on 04/11/2003 8:29:52 AM PDT by happygrl (Praying without ceasing)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: gcochran
It must be nice to have a simple, stupid theory of how the world works.

Oh my, I didn't realize I was addressing the morally and intellectually enlightened and illuminated. Pardon me for not recognizing you, milord. So what's your complex, subtle, nuanced and sophisticated theory? "They don't care cause they're racist" or "They don't care cause there's no oil there?" And of course, you'll explain just how either of those slogans are more sophisticated than "liberals ignore marxist atrocities because they are marxist."

50 posted on 04/11/2003 10:42:51 AM PDT by Anamensis (Human Shields = wankers)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 47 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-5051-78 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson