Students put their own spin on downloading music

USA today ^ | 4.20.03 | Jefferson Graham

[MacDorcha]

not really... but even then, if i did(which i can find the use for) i cerainly wouldnt make several hundred copies and distrbitue it for free!

[BrooklynGOP]

i cerainly wouldnt make several hundred copies and distrbitue it for free!

But the radio does.

[longtermmemmory]

You know you can check out cd's and dvd's from the library...oh oh...

[MacDorcha]

lol, it pays several times what we do to be allowed to play parts of a track at certain times of the day. they cant take it home, and they dont make copies, they have the one copy, and they play it to all of us as a sample of the musician. they are doing nothing more than being a sonic billboard.

[BrooklynGOP]

and they dont make copies, they have the one copy, and they play it to all of us as a sample of the musician

Right. But if put up a ftp server with my mp3's, then effectively I have "one copy" and I am not the one making copies - the users are - just as the radio listeners would record to tape/minidisc,etc.

[MacDorcha]

and how is this proving the morality of your case?

[BrooklynGOP]

I was comparing it to the radio station. You said: they cant take it home, and they dont make copies, they have the one copy, and they play it to all of us

Which is basically what an operator running a ftp server does.

[longtermmemmory]

Did you hear apple is buying the recording arm of vivendi? I wonder what the makers of the Ipod are going to do with a music company.

[MacDorcha]

i know what it does, thank you. this doesnt mean it's right to do it.

[discostu]

Difference being it takes one guy two minutes to write a good joke, takes longer than that just to play a good song. I know exactly what will happen when somebody finds good music on the internet, the same thing that happens now... buttkiss. You don't e-mail multimeg files, or even links to multimeg files, to everybody you know. DSL is failing all over the country, music downloading isn't on the todo list of most people online because it takes too damn long with dial-up and wideband is only popular in the geek set.

If you want to compare how music travels on the internet to in the physical world all you have to do is compare BestBuy's stores with their website. In the stores music gets cherry real estest right up front, it's almost impossible to make a trip to BestBuy without walking next to or even through the music section. On the website it's the 8th item in the list, below the divider (under the fold in newspaper speak).

Good music in the future (if the future of music is the internet) will be LESS available because there won't be any money in making it so less will be made. It's all about the profit margin, anything people can't make monyey making they will not make. People cannot and will not make money making music on the internet, period. It's dot-com "new economy" BS to think otherwise. The new economy was and is a lie, the 20th century economy is how to make money, those who knocked it in the 90s are still nursing the wounds from when the old economy rose up and kicked them in the kiester.

[BrooklynGOP]

I wonder what the makers of the Ipod are going to do with a music company.

They'll probably change the business model and let customers download music to their ipods.

[bfree]

DSL is failing all over the country, music downloading isn't on the todo list of most people online because it takes too damn long with dial-up and wideband is only popular in the geek set

DSL is not failing all over the country, broadband is expanding rapidly in major cities, both cable and DSL. Wireless hubs are popping up all over. I pay $29 per month for my DSL service, and AOL is $24. It is well worth $5 for the speed. As the price falls, more people will discover what can quickly be done on the internet, including downloading music. The future is bleak for the music industry unless they adapt soon.

[Not Insane]

__who gets paid to make music?__

Live concert income and other opportunities, such as endorsements, etc.

[Not Insane]

__You don't e-mail multimeg files, or even links to multimeg files__

Not with todays technology. But then, five years ago, who had the disc space to save .CDA files.

Just wait about two more years. The technolocy will make it a snap, and maybe even via means that are currently on some nerds drawing board. My first computer was a 386-33 with a 250 meg hard drive. It was lightning fast compared to my friends 286 with a 100 meg hard drive. We didn't see computers as a viable tool for video or audio, except for rudimentary games. It did have a single speed cd-rom that cost me an additional $600 though.

That was TEN YEARS AGO!

Let's see how people copy, send, and listen to music with their computers in the next ten years. I think we will both be surprised.

[steve-b]

If the national music industry falls apart the local music scenes will become smaller

Nonsense. The iron law is the same in ecosystems or markets: When an incumbent goes down, the survivors expand to fill the niche.

[discostu]

This isn't about ecosystems or markets, it's about exposure. If the national music industry falls apart then people will be exposed to less music, which will inspire fewer people to make music. You can see it going on right now in the symphony orchestra/ classical music section. Classical music isn't popular on the radio, and symphomy orchestras are losing audience, the average age of attendies is sky rocketing and they're dieing off. Soon that whole genre is going to disappear. If the national music industry falls apart the same thing will happen across the board, the audience will age and dwindle and a new generation will arise that won't even consider music a part of their lives, they will only associate with TV and film scores and will see no need to listen to it seperately.

[Not Insane]

I hate to sound like a broken record on this, but I must repeat myself: In the future, musicians will make money through means other than the recordings of their music. The recorded music will serve as a teaser only. If they want to actually SELL music, then CD's will have to be offered for under $5.

__...it's almost impossible to make a trip to BestBuy without walking next to or even through the music section. __

Sounds like a high markup item...

[Not Insane]

__ If the national music industry falls apart then people will be exposed to less music, which will inspire fewer people to make music.__

I have no problem with that. My wife and I went on an extended road trip in our two year old highway cruiser last month. The stereo broke just before the trip and I was very disapointed - I like to put together compilation discs for each trip.

Well guess what? We had the best road trip ever. We talked, pointed out landmarks and had a great time.

Most people today use music as a "mind filler" way too much. Construction workers have the paint covered gheto blaster pumping out zz top. Bus riders have headphones. People clean the kitchen to whitney houston.

Quiet can be good. Music is really not all that important.

NO MUSIC is a bad thing. Less music can be a good thing...

[Not Insane]

__Classical music isn't popular on the radio, and symphomy orchestras are losing audience, the average age of attendies is sky rocketing and they're dieing off.__

Not true. People are just getting their "symphony" music through movies. Times change.