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Mike Hawash in New York Times
Warblogging.com ^ | April 4, 2003 | George Paine

Posted on 04/12/2003 9:15:05 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Four days ago Warblogging reported on the story of Maher (Mike) Hawash. Mr. Hawash's problems have now been the subject of an article in the New York Times. Mr. Hawash is a programmer, working at Intel, who was detained by the FBI and Joint Terrorism Task Force as a material witness. He has so far spent just about two weeks in jail without being charged with a crime and without being questioned or told why he is detained. He is being kept in solitary confinement.

Mr. Hawash was detained by FBI agents wearing helments, body armor and carrying assault rifles in an Intel Corporation parking lot as he arrived to work on Thursday, March 20. FBI agents and police officers carrying assault rifles and wearing body armor simultaneously raided his home, waking his wife and their three young children. The search warrant used to search the home and the material witness warrant used to detain Mr. Hawash are both sealed — no one knows what evidence was used to attain them, and they have yet to be challenged in court.

Mr. Hawash was born in the Palestinian Territories but gained his American citizenship more than fifteen years ago. He married an American woman and has three American children. He himself is an American.

"Our friend has fallen into some kind of `Alice in Wonderland' meets Franz Kafka," Steven McGeady, a former Intel VP and webmaster of Free Mike Hawash told the New York Times.

The fact is that the government is abusing the material witness statute to hold Mike. The material witness statute is intended to compel people to testify in court and prevent them from fleeing to avoid testimony.

An Associated Press story on Mr. Hawash said this:

Material witness laws were intended only to ensure testimony, not to hold people indefinitely, said Phil Heymann, a Harvard law professor. "It was not meant to be used this way," Heymann said, noting that the number of material witness detentions has increased since the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attack.

Mike hasn't even been told what he'll be asked to testify about, and there is no indication whatsoever that he would seek to avoid testifying. The New York Times article says:

Civil liberties groups say material witness statutes are being abused by the Bush administration to hold people like Mr. Hawash indefinitely. "The government doesn't have and should not have the power to arrest and detain someone without charging them," said Lucas Guttentag, director of the American Civil Liberties Union's Immigrants Rights Project. "If this kind of thing is permitted, then any United States citizen can be swept off the street and locked up without being charged."

This is precisely what happened to Mike Hawash. He was literally swept up off the street and locked up without charge. He has been accused of no crime. He has not been told why he is being detained in solitary confinement. His friends, family and coworkers have been left bewildered. The Justice Department refuses to comment on his detention in any way, shape, or form except to say that there is an "ongoing investigation".

He has been in jail for two weeks without charge. He has not been questioned. Every time he leaves his cell for any reason he is strip searched when he returns.

This, my friends, is not American. This is not supposed to happen in this great country of ours. Charge this man with a crime or release him, Mr. Ashcroft.

I urge you to write letters to the editors of your local newspapers. Call your senators, call your congressmen. Call into your local radio talk shows. Make a fuss. Tell everyone who will listen about Mike Hawash. He deserves it, and so does the next one who will be dragged into this Kafka-esque nightmare.


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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
War is hell. And terrorists and their supporters are plentiful. It is unfortunate, but necessary that people with certain backgrounds are receiving a closer scrutiny, and yeah, sometimes mistakes are going to be made.

My question is that if he is being kept in solitary confinement, how would anyone know whether he has been questioned or not? Something a little fishy with this report. Perhaps the author is exaggerating just a bit in order to push our buttons so that we cry "Injustice!"

21 posted on 04/12/2003 10:14:14 PM PDT by bjcintennessee
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To: EternalVigilance
Well, in the Govt.'s defense in the matter I should say
that this is only two weeks old. it takes time for the
legal system to cogitate.

However, I have always thought that witnesses and jurists
should be duly compensated for time lost, lost wages,
and any other damages accruing to sequestration, at least
for secret Grand Jury testimony.
22 posted on 04/12/2003 10:17:00 PM PDT by ISawIt (Is it just me?)
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To: brityank
This is one of the more egregious.

You make that assumption, but I don't see any facts to back it up.

23 posted on 04/12/2003 10:23:45 PM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: JMack
What you said.
25 posted on 04/12/2003 10:27:05 PM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: ISawIt
At the least, his testimony should be taken, and he should be released afterwards, if it is not contradictory to established facts.

I agree; the problem I have is the held incommunicado, and the length of time involved. Can anyone here consider it would be alright to get locked away for two or more weeks? Those that would say it's OK must not have much of a life, or any responsibilities.

Once arrested, you must be charged. Those charges should be public, else we are just as much a dictatorship as Iraq. War may restrict some freedoms and rights; it does not negate them nor should it allow for unlimited holding of citizens without charges or arrest.

26 posted on 04/12/2003 10:28:15 PM PDT by brityank (The more I learn about the Constitution, the more I realise this Government is UNconstitutional.)
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To: brityank
Are you an attorney?

Do you know what the law says in cases like this, and why?

Do you, unlike the rest of us, know what this case is even about, exactly?
27 posted on 04/12/2003 10:32:50 PM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: EternalVigilance
Two weeks is too long to be held without charges. If you think that is OK, you must not have much of a life.

Arrest him, and charge him in court, within a 48 to 72 hour window -- no problem. To hold as a 'material witness' based on a pet judge's whims for however long some bureaucrat wants is egregious.

28 posted on 04/12/2003 10:35:25 PM PDT by brityank (The more I learn about the Constitution, the more I realise this Government is UNconstitutional.)
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To: ISawIt
Me too. If he's guilty of something, indict and try him.

If not, release him. (And keep a damn close eye on him for several months at least.)

This locking people up without charge shit is scary, and I don't care who is doing it.

L

29 posted on 04/12/2003 10:38:24 PM PDT by Lurker ("One man of reason and goodwill is worth more, actually and potentially, than a million fools" AR)
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To: JMack
No one has considered that he may be held in isolation to protect him from some of the things he witnessed?
Way to much hysteria without enough facts!!!
It sounds so different when a ME person is seen photographing a water resovoir or suspicious happening, we want em lynched IMMEDIATELY!!!
30 posted on 04/12/2003 10:38:45 PM PDT by oreolady (It's FUN to wave the flag and meet kewl people)
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To: JMack
By no means is this article enough to convice me we have any of those problems here.

Were this the only case, or the NYSlimes the only news org reporting these types of detentions, I would not have responded as I did. Arrest and charge the guy in a reasonable (48-72hrs) timeframe, OK. To hold absent that due process is wrong, period.

31 posted on 04/12/2003 10:39:27 PM PDT by brityank (The more I learn about the Constitution, the more I realise this Government is UNconstitutional.)
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To: brityank
What if he has information that determines whether or not 3000 Americans get killed by Islamic terrorists?

Then would you still scream; even though the judiciary and law enforcement are obviously functioning within the law? Or would you want him released anyway to meet your criteria for what is proper?
32 posted on 04/12/2003 10:40:26 PM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
You'll just have to lump it, Lumpy. Steven McGeady is not the CIC.
33 posted on 04/12/2003 10:42:41 PM PDT by Cultural Jihad
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To: brityank
Amen. There is a lot of stuff that is going on under the radar around the country. This particular action smells much.

Someone else on this thread mentioned that justice would eventually be done to the man. Well, I'd have to agree that something is being done to him, but it certainly doesn't resemble any justice I've heard of.

They either need to charge him or let him go. Just because we have an (undeclared) war going on doesn't mean that fedgov can just do anything it pleases any time it pleases because it is convienient to do so.

The protections guaranteed by the constitution are not there to make fedgov's job easier. They are there to guarantee they can't just walk all over someone's God-given rights because it is expident to do so.

34 posted on 04/12/2003 10:43:46 PM PDT by zeugma (If you use microsoft products, you are feeding the beast.)
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To: EternalVigilance
Are you an attorney?
No; nor do I play one.
Do you know what the law says in cases like this, and why?
Read my tag-line.
Do you, unlike the rest of us, know what this case is even about, exactly?
Just what is presented on the site, and the support he has garnered from other Citizens who are vouching for him.

"All laws which are repugnant to the Constitution are null and void." -- Marbury ~vs~ Madison, 5 US (2 Cranch) 137, 174, 176, (1803)

If this is not repugnant to the Constitution, I don't know what is.

35 posted on 04/12/2003 10:48:14 PM PDT by brityank (The more I learn about the Constitution, the more I realise this Government is UNconstitutional.)
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To: ISawIt
I am curious as to whether a Writ of Habeas Corpus has been filed? This is an American Citizen, or so it seems. If it was denied, what were the reasons?

You do not understand the situation. This US citizen was arrested and jailed in solitary confinement under the material witness statute. Under that statute there is no crime charged, so no Writ of Habeas Corpus will apply.

You or I may be held indefinitely - without being charge with a crime and without ever being brought before a grand jury to hear your testimony. There is no limit to how long you may be held without being brought before a grand jury and without being charged with a crime. You essentially disappear into federal custody and there is not anything you can do about it. I am not even sure if you have the right to attorney, although in this case, the man has hired a private attorney.

36 posted on 04/12/2003 10:50:55 PM PDT by clamboat
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
Never, ever, get all you information from The New York Times when it comes to something involving a Palestinian

Words to live by. Howell Rains has a massive self loathing complex. Unfortunately that manefests itself to groups rather than himself and his pretentious newspaper. Be patient.

37 posted on 04/12/2003 10:52:44 PM PDT by PeoplesRep_of_LA ("As long as it takes...No. That's the answer to your question. As long as it takes." GWB)
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To: brityank
Are you an attorney? No; nor do I play one.

One point in your favor. ;-)

Do you know what the law says in cases like this, and why? Read my tag-line.

I'm glad you're a student. But that doesn't mean you know more than the judges or the U.S. Attorneys who are on this case. The fact is, you know very little about this case, no matter how extensive your knowledge of the Constitution is.

Do you, unlike the rest of us, know what this case is even about, exactly? Just what is presented on the site, and the support he has garnered from other Citizens who are vouching for him.

Damn little real information is presented on the site, or in this article...simply because it is not available.

38 posted on 04/12/2003 10:54:59 PM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
Deep sleeper agents use that cover; citizenship, family roots, appearing law abiding. Maybe one of the guys in Gitmo gave him up, or falsly accused him in revenge for some tribal feud from 20 years ago.

These investigations typically don't see the light of day until everything has been followed up.

39 posted on 04/12/2003 11:00:14 PM PDT by JimRed (Disinformation is the leftist's and enemy's friend; consider the source before believing.)
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To: brityank
Those that would say it's OK must not have much of a life, or any responsibilities.

Well, we all appreciate how important you must think you are. Imagine not being around at all.

Two weeks?

Have you ever served on Grand Jury duty?

Well, I have two kids and live paycheck to paycheck. My wife and I juggle many-a-myriad-tasks. All of which would suffer if I was sequestered.

But...

I'd do it. Of course, my opinion might be colored by the fact that my last job was 1 block south of the World Trade Center South. It's also colored by the fact that this sort of thing is part and parcel of your citizenship.

Oh, and by the way, I did not take any unemployment benefits, or aid, because I found it repugnant to do so. There are more who are deserving. I did not die. (Obviously)
40 posted on 04/12/2003 11:15:52 PM PDT by ISawIt (Is it just me?)
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