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Suggested questions for GOP survey
Townhall.com ^ | Tuesday, April 15, 2003 | Phyllis Schlafly

Posted on 04/14/2003 11:21:52 PM PDT by JohnHuang2

The National Republican Congressional Committee has mailed a survey to a selected list of grass-roots Republicans seeking opinions on "issues of greatest concern" so that the party can be strengthened "by getting more Americans involved."

Of course, it is really a fund-raiser (send your "most generous contribution"), but it is artfully designed to look like authentic market research using catchphrases such as "registered survey number," "classified document" and "data entry control number for office use only."

Whoever produced the survey must have the same worldview as Inside-the-Beltway policy wonks whose sensitivity to public opinion is bounded by the Washington Post in the morning and Dan Rather in the evening. They are clueless about what grass-roots Americans think.

Out of 54 detailed questions sorted into 13 different issues, there is only one about border security and immigration. That lone question appears at the bottom of the page titled Foreign Affairs. There is a section on homeland security, but it contains no mention of border security or immigration.

I'm going to help the Republican Congressional Committee by providing a list of 20 questions for which the answers would be helpful to party leaders.

1. Do you favor President George W. Bush's plan to give amnesty to undocumented aliens, putting people who violate our laws in line ahead of those who lawfully apply for entry?

2. Do you favor the repeal of Massachusetts Democratic Sen. Edward M. Kennedy's Diversity Visa Lottery, which admits 50,000 aliens per year, mostly from non-Western countries, including countries that sponsor terrorism?

3. Should the U.S. State Department stop issuing visas in countries that sponsor terrorism?

4. Do you favor closing our borders to undocumented aliens, illegal drugs and contagious diseases by whatever means necessary, including electronic fences and National Guard troops?

5. Do you favor requiring visual inspection of the contents of at least 50 percent of trucks entering the United States from Mexico and Canada, instead of the current 1 percent to 2 percent?

6. Do you favor prohibiting the State Department from negotiating a plan with Mexico to give Social Security benefits to undocumented aliens?

7. Do you favor repealing the federal requirement that hospitals must give free medical care, including scarce organ transplants, to undocumented aliens, an unfunded mandate that is bankrupting many hospitals and increasing the price of medical care to U.S. citizens?

8. Do you favor cutting off federal funding to state universities that give lower in-state tuition to undocumented aliens in violation of current federal law, or that refuse to cooperate with the foreign student tracking system?

9. Will you vote to revoke the citizenship of naturalized citizens who betray their oath of U.S. citizenship by claiming dual citizenship with their native country?

10. Do you favor stopping the issuance of driver's licenses to undocumented aliens since many of the 9/11 hijackers boarded the fatal planes by showing their driver's licenses?

11. Do you favor penalties for local public officials who refuse to cooperate with immigration officials in identifying undocumented aliens?

12. Do you favor prohibiting government agencies from accepting foreign-issued identity cards, such as Mexico's matricula consular, as acceptable identification?

13. Do you favor strict health screening of foreigners entering the United States in order to stop the extraordinary rise in cases of tuberculosis, malaria, hepatitis B, intestinal parasites, Chagas' disease, West Nile virus and SARS?

14. Do you favor stopping the racket of smuggling pregnant aliens into the United States so they can give birth to their babies in the United States, thereby making their children immediately eligible for citizenship and welfare?

15. Do you favor a timeout on immigration and visas until the U.S. Department of Homeland Security has a functioning computer system to track aliens, not U.S. citizens, through smart identification cards?

16. Do you favor rescinding Bill Clinton's Executive Order 13166 requiring anyone who receives federal funds, such as doctors and hospitals, to provide their services in foreign languages?

17. Do you favor abolishing federal requirements to provide foreign-language ballots, since the ability to speak, read and write basic English is a requirement to become a naturalized U.S. citizen and only citizens are eligible to vote?

18. Do you favor a general policy of drawing a bright line of difference between U.S. citizens and aliens so that law-abiding U.S. citizens are not treated like potential terrorists or hijackers?

19. Do you favor a Republican Party policy of rejecting political contributions from individuals and corporations that hire undocumented aliens?

20. Is the reason why questions about border security and immigration were omitted from the Republican survey because our leaders don't want to know the answers?


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Tuesday, April 15, 2003

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1 posted on 04/14/2003 11:21:52 PM PDT by JohnHuang2
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To: All
Hi mom!
2 posted on 04/14/2003 11:24:12 PM PDT by Support Free Republic (Your support keeps Free Republic going strong!)
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To: JohnHuang2
At least it has a question on the borders this time. The last one I got was a joke. It was total PC baloney. And I told them so. :0)
3 posted on 04/15/2003 12:17:30 AM PDT by ETERNAL WARMING
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To: JohnHuang2; Joe Hadenuf; Regulator; nanny; madfly; B4Ranch; junta; Barnacle; Reaganwuzthebest
This is the best set of questions regarding America's greatest crisis, that being the "out of control" state of "immigration" to the GOP and President Bush I have ever seen. Great Questions by a Great Lady though I don't expect many YES answers from the powers that rule the GOP these days. I what do see is a very good reason for the emergence of a new 3rd party because the other two parties just don't GET IT. Laugh it off or ignore it GOP. Either way your trend is decidedly NEGATIVE because the democrats are always first in line to capitalize on the debasement of our country. Some things NEVER change.
4 posted on 04/15/2003 12:32:11 AM PDT by WRhine
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To: ETERNAL WARMING
At least it has a question on the borders this time. The last one I got was a joke. It was total PC baloney. And I told them so. :0)

LOL! I agree and I did too!

5 posted on 04/15/2003 12:35:14 AM PDT by Joe Hadenuf
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To: WRhine
I what do see is a very good reason for the emergence of a new 3rd party because the other two parties just don't GET IT.

Sad but true...It's going to happen. I don't know when, but it sure enough is going to happen....

6 posted on 04/15/2003 12:38:25 AM PDT by Joe Hadenuf
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To: JohnHuang2
Yeah I have received three of the damn GOP surveys all alike and threw them away because the questions were constructed so as to make it completely impossible to give a principled conservative answer to any question.
7 posted on 04/15/2003 1:01:27 AM PDT by Rightwing Conspiratr1
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To: JohnHuang2
14. Do you favor stopping the racket of smuggling pregnant aliens into the United States so they can give birth to their babies in the United States, thereby making their children immediately eligible for citizenship and welfare?

This is one of the most absurd laws in existence (and that is no small feat). What other country grants citizenship in this way?

8 posted on 04/15/2003 1:18:34 AM PDT by Fraulein
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To: Joe Hadenuf
Be careful what you wish for. The Dems will NEVER work to proactively address this issue, so a party split at this juncture could very EASILY result in another eight years of Clintoon - and her husband. These are crucial issues, but need to be worked at from the inside out. I would think it would be wiser to make your elected GOP officials realize what is important outside of the Beltway. Unless the Republicans completely blow it (unlikely but an outside possibility), there are so many other issues that need to (and can be) addressed. We need to learn from our 1992 mistakes - a third party would have little power inside the Beltway, and the Dems get back the leaderships by default.
9 posted on 04/15/2003 4:52:54 AM PDT by Amalie (Its STILL too dangerous to vote Democratic...)
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To: Amalie
These are crucial issues, but need to be worked at from the inside out.

From the inside out? You make me laugh. They refuse to even discuss the problem amongst themselves!

I have been screaming in Bill Gibbons ear for five years about this subject. This is the first year I have ever told him that the cashbox is closed because I need the money to pay for the $900 million Nevada State budget increase that Governor Guinn is demanding.

If the GOP won't listen then they can kiss my $4000 in the ass as it goes to third party officials because that's where it's headed unless I see MAJOR, SERIOUS ACTION on this subject BEFORE the next election.

10 posted on 04/15/2003 7:53:45 AM PDT by B4Ranch ( "It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards".Claire Wolfe)
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To: JohnHuang2
Wow, what a great article!

The problem with immigration is that neither side has any interest in reforming the system-- the Democrats love the cheap votes and the Republicans love the cheap labor.

11 posted on 04/15/2003 8:57:59 AM PDT by Maximum Leader (run from a knife, close on a gun)
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To: WRhine; Joe Hadenuf; nanny; madfly; B4Ranch; Reaganwuzthebest
It gets better out here in California. The SF Chronicle article this morning has the highest vote getter in a recall of our great Gov. Davis as...Cruz Bustamante, our illegal alien Lt. Gov!

I died of laughter after seeing that. That's how bad off the Republicans are in this state. Their top vote getter is Schwarzenegger, which is a joke.

And why IS that? Because everyone here KNOWS the real problem: illegal immigration. EVERYONE I talk to is aware that that's the real problem, but are terrified to talk about it for fear of being called "racist". And that goes double for the GOP: not a peep. Meek and terrified, like little children. How Pathetic.

12 posted on 04/15/2003 11:10:26 AM PDT by Regulator (Ed. Note: No one can find any record of Bustamante being born here. He is likely an illegal himself.)
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To: Regulator; WRhine
Because everyone here KNOWS the real problem: illegal immigration. EVERYONE I talk to is aware that that's the real problem, but are terrified to talk about it for fear of being called "racist".

The GOP has been bamboozled by many in the press into believing Prop 187 was just so bad for them being racist and all. Many legal hispanics voted for 187 from what I understand. Truth is, if they were to run on the same platform Pete Wilson did and carried out reforms they would win, and keep winning. Besides that, if the nation is going to survive, which is more important, enforcing the law has to be done.

These are supposedly smart men and women with college educations running the GOP, but only lay people can see the obvious?

13 posted on 04/15/2003 11:36:33 AM PDT by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: Amalie
Be careful what you wish for. The Dems will NEVER work to proactively address this issue, so a party split at this juncture could very EASILY result in another eight years of Clintoon - and her husband.

The spectre of Hillary and Bill have been used to silence Republicans for long enough. True no one wants them - but the situation with immigration and open borders is the most critical issue we have facing us. Personally, I think it is/was more important than the war on Iraq. Although, I think the two could/should have been handled simultaneously and with the support of most Americans.

Leaving aside the fact that terrorists are almost certainly coming across our borders - we need to realize there are more ways than one to destroy a nation. It can be detroyed from within as easily and more completely than a foreign attack. We could more than likely survive an attack - we cannot survive this invasion.

It is latching onto and sucking the lifeblood from every aspect of our nation.

It is making our sovereignty and law enforcement null and void.

It is destroying our educational system.

It is destroying our healthcare system.

It is destroying the very lives of American taxpayers who are hurting from the burden of subsidizing the employers who hire them.

Law enforcement for these people are a joke. They are quite often not arrested, not held, not anything - just let go.

It is causing an increase in deadly diseases.

It has taken away the livelihood of many American worker - the fallacy of 'doing the work no one else wants to do' is so laughable I am surprised anyone, except a shameless politician, can even utter that phrase.

I believe that this is the most important and critical issue facing this country today. I truly, deep down in my heart think it means the destruction of America as we know it.

Our President is going to do nothing about it, actually he is encouraging it. He is using scarce resources to persecute citizens who want to do something about it rather than using them to correct the situation. (1) I believe that in his next four years (he will have them) we will have amnesty, by hook or by crook. For those of you who think this will make them taxpayers - think again. They will receive far more in UN-earned tax credits than they pay in and much more in benefits than they do now. We will be providing them with HUD homes, all their children with college educations, and more.(2) I believe we will have unsafe trucks on our highways.(3) I believe we will have Mexican professionals? - doctors, teachers, nurses, lawyers, whatever just moving in and setting up shop.

I am supposed to quake at the thought of Hillary?

14 posted on 04/15/2003 11:48:27 AM PDT by nanny
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To: Reaganwuzthebest
Operant word being "supposedly"...
15 posted on 04/15/2003 2:08:20 PM PDT by Regulator
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To: JohnHuang2
FREEPers, I have created the ultimate Estrada activism thread. On it you will find ways to contact Senators, newsspapers, radio/tv people, organizations etc. Go there and help support Estrada. Keep the thread bumped until we get him confirmed.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/847037/posts
16 posted on 04/15/2003 2:10:58 PM PDT by votelife (FREE MIGUEL ESTRADA!)
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To: nanny
The Mexican "professionals" are here. In California (of course) we just got a new law! Ready for this one? Mexican doctors can now practice in "rural" areas of California without taking the boards. They simply walk in and set up shop. They get to refer patients to hospitals, which means they can get work in those hospitals as well.

Don't be shocked when Texas gets the same crap. Someday, you'll need a translator to talk your doc, when the hospitals get to staff with "cheap labor" foreign MD's.

17 posted on 04/15/2003 2:21:43 PM PDT by Regulator
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To: Regulator
The Mexican "professionals" are here. In California (of course) we just got a new law! Ready for this one? Mexican doctors can now practice in "rural" areas of California without taking the boards. They simply walk in and set up shop.

I understand in 2005 per NAFTA they will be able to do this.

Tell me what you think the reasoning for this really is? I realize a lot of it is cheap labor for the campaign contributors - but what is the reasoning behind putting American professionals out of business. Why aren't the doctors howling - or my goodness, what about the lawyers. Don't they know they won't be on the gravy train much longer? Is it really that the politicians want to destroy nationalism? Does PRes. Bush really want a western hemisphere type union? Do they want a society of haves and have not and nothing in the middle? Why are American middle class people cutting their own throats, and more importantly, that of their children by supporting this lunacy?

I can't get a handle on some of this.

18 posted on 04/15/2003 3:08:31 PM PDT by nanny
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To: Regulator
It gets better out here in California. The SF Chronicle article this morning has the highest vote getter in a recall of our great Gov. Davis as...Cruz Bustamante, our illegal alien Lt. Gov!

LOL. Yeah, I guess Hispanics don't need to be a citizen of the U.S. (or even LEGAL) to run for pubic office these days. Makes me wonder what other laws can be safely ignored in America? Maybe we should sub-contract out ALL OUR POLITICAL OFFICES to Mexican Nationals seeing how they seem to know what's best for us.

Well it keeps on getting better out here in IL too. Our State House by a vote of 112-4 recently voted to allow "In-State" tuition rates for illegal aliens. Yes, the vote was 112-4 I kid you not and my "Republican" State Rep was in that lopsided majority. What do the think the chances are that it passes the IL Senate? One of the proponents of the bill sheepishly said he thought it was a good idea because, well, "we educate undocumented immigrants all the way through high school so why not college”?

It's no wonder that IL is seeing a huge influx of illegal immigration. We are as Illegal Alien friendly as any state in the union. Meanwhile our trusting GOP, those vanguards of low taxes and the rule of law are saying through their actions: Just Shut Up and Pay Your Taxes or a Democrat may do this to you!

I died of laughter after seeing that. That's how bad off the Republicans are in this state. Their top vote getter is Schwarzenegger, which is a joke.

Yes, things are getting more and more comical all the time.

And why IS that? Because everyone here KNOWS the real problem: illegal immigration. EVERYONE I talk to is aware that that's the real problem, but are terrified to talk about it for fear of being called "racist". And that goes double for the GOP: not a peep. Meek and terrified, like little children. How Pathetic.

Bump That. Even the notion of protecting our borders is considered “racist”. Our government might as well tell the world “Please Take Us Over”. Maybe they are.

19 posted on 04/15/2003 3:27:06 PM PDT by WRhine
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To: Free the USA; FITZ; Tancredo Fan; 4Freedom; Fish out of Water; Ajnin; agitator; Tancred; backhoe; ..
I don't think kids today stand a chance without learning Spanish as a second language. Maybe all of us non-spanish speaking people should start whining for funds to pay for Spanish lessons!

Hispanics will be the majority it's come to this: they will need to catch the news on the spanish stations for the real story. I myself only found out about the Dream Act marches planned for 50 cities by switching to the local Spanish station in Phoenix. I recognized the words "Dream Act" (which were read in english) as legislation from last year, then found the story on the web. This report WAS NOT on channel 3, owned, operated and broadcasted from the same studios as 'MAS! And the march in Phoenix was the first of the planned 50! So they already have a NON-for-gringos news item pile. Congressmen Ed Pastor and Rick Rimzi are 2 of the 15 sponsors of the bill, for heaven's sake, but this is about "their people". After recently reading about the Mexican media being anti-war and reporting regularly that the southwestern states were acquired from Mexico illegally and therefore immigrants are entitled to any and all benefits that American citizens are eligible for, I am really getting mad. Reading Allan Wall's translations of last fall's spanish campaign ads in Texas and the references to "our people" I was mad. After reading that Mexicans often reply to gringos who are MAD about these things, "It's their own fault, stupid gringos!" I am red hot madder than I have ever been about the whole business.

20 posted on 04/15/2003 3:29:37 PM PDT by madfly (AZFIRE.org, NATURALPROCESS.net)
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To: nanny
Is it really that the politicians want to destroy nationalism? Does PRes. Bush really want a western hemisphere type union? Do they want a society of haves and have not and nothing in the middle?

Yes.

Why are American middle class people cutting their own throats, and more importantly, that of their children by supporting this lunacy?

Because they really have no say. Who cares who we vote for or what the laws are? Seen the government upholding the immigration laws? They know they don't have to, because what recourse do we have? Vote them out? How? Most elections are negotiated deals anyway (most, not all). The interests of the biggest gorilla in town come first, not the interests of the peons ("us").

I think it's just the progression (or devolution?) of any society. The march back to feudalism always occurs, because in any competitive game, the early winners will always try to tilt the game in their favor. The United States has only been around a couple hundred years; a few major winners have emerged, and they work tirelessly to tilt things their direction. Occasionally an upstart figures out how to horn in; he is ultimately co-opted - or found to be one of the gang in the first place - or simply crushed by co-ordinated tactics.

In short, I think the existence of a large middle class was a short lived phenomenon, the result of a moment in history when the people actually did have some control. The war now is to push us back to survival level, where we will be happy for any crumbs. If we aren't, we're expendable. And things like armed resistance a la 1776 is simply unthinkable now, as the level of force that they control is exponentially higher than anything we might have (which is why I laugh at the gun confiscation thing. Why bother? What could peasants with pitchforks do against depleted uranium bullets? Ask the Iraqi "militias").

I know that's a gloomy opinion, but it seems to me that if you run things out to their logical result, that's where you get.

21 posted on 04/15/2003 3:33:35 PM PDT by Regulator
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To: WRhine
"we educate undocumented immigrants all the way through high school so why not college”

That's hilarious! The reason we educate them (and it is we, not the politicians -- it's our money) is due to ONE Supreme Court decision: Plyler v. Doe. In other words, we are COMPELLED to, AGAINST our will!

You really got to hand it to Peter Schey and the MALDEF terroristas - they knew that if they got primary ed from the courts, they could push through secondary education by haranguing. One way or the other, chisel the money out of the gringos. And the Supreme Court says...you have no right to decide where your money goes! We will tell you! Judicial Tyranny. At least with the state legislators, you now have an issue to beat them up with.

22 posted on 04/15/2003 3:40:23 PM PDT by Regulator
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To: JohnHuang2
Every time I get one of these I fill it out and then in the area where they ask for money I write, "Not one penny until you close the borders."
23 posted on 04/15/2003 3:41:12 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (Because there are people in power who are truly evil.)
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To: Reaganwuzthebest
These are supposedly smart men and women with college educations running the GOP, but only lay people can see the obvious?

This interesting paradox happens when a politician becomes "compromised" and quickly finds out which side of their bread is buttered. Most of our politicos are puppets for special interests. Their only real skill is making it look like they are working for their constituants when they aren't.

24 posted on 04/15/2003 3:43:14 PM PDT by WRhine
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To: Regulator
Because they really have no say. Who cares who we vote for or what the laws are? Seen the government upholding the immigration laws? They know they don't have to, because what recourse do we have? Vote them out? How? Most elections are negotiated deals anyway (most, not all). The interests of the biggest gorilla in town come first, not the interests of the peons ("us").

I see you and I are on the same wavelength here. Those are my thoughts. I was accused of 'class warfare' when I suggested such a thing.

You know the one thing about it, if it comes in my lifetime, I will be ahead of the new 'intellectuals' that have, in their muddled thinking, helped to bring this about. We will both be in the same boat - but I know how to be poor - haven't forgotten a bit of it. I sure wanted better for my children and grandchildren, though.

25 posted on 04/15/2003 3:47:03 PM PDT by nanny
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To: Maximum Leader
the Republicans love the cheap labor

Time to bury this urban myth.

26 posted on 04/15/2003 3:48:06 PM PDT by RightWhale (Theorems link concepts; proofs establish links)
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To: Regulator
The Mexican "professionals" are here. In California (of course) we just got a new law! Ready for this one? Mexican doctors can now practice in "rural" areas of California without taking the boards. They simply walk in and set up shop. They get to refer patients to hospitals, which means they can get work in those hospitals as well.

This is sick.. Who "passed" the law? Did the Calif. State Boards of Medical Examiners do this? Or is it a NAFTA thing? IF NAFTA, how can they interfere with State run board that is in place for "the protection of the public?" If it's because it's Fed, then that alone should be a crime.

Could I scream discrimination if I (being white) went to UCLA Medical school, graduated, wanted to practice in a "rural" community, but didn't take my boards?

This crap has gone way far enough. We've lost Kalifornia to the illegals, and the socialist-damocrats fueled the loss over the last 20-30+ years. The rest of the southwest is next. This is blatant invasion, what's it going to take before we take back our country? Political "diplomacy" and playing "nice nice" just doesn't seem to cut it anymore.

27 posted on 04/15/2003 4:18:20 PM PDT by kstewskis (shut the damn borders now!)
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To: nanny
Re your post #14. I think your post was so well documented that ANYONE in their right mind could see that we are heading for a huge catastrophe with the illegal alien problems.

You are correct when you state that they ignore the rules we are made to follow.

All our taxes, are skyrocketing due to the ones who DON'T PAY. Mr. Bush's pandering to them will continue. 245(i) will be passed through eventually. Chris Simcox of the Arizona newspaper, Tumbleweed, was told to cease and desist in trying to monitor the border with incoming illegals, by the federal government. We are leaving the first world to become a third world country, at least here in the state of California.

As an American, I feel that we are considered "second class citizens" when compared to the illegals.

28 posted on 04/15/2003 4:36:30 PM PDT by Jennikins
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To: WRhine
Their only real skill is making it look like they are working for their constituants when they aren't.

And they've gotten real good at it too. But eventually the GOP will have to start listening to its constituents on this issue or they're outta there. Their "outreach" to illegal aliens in order to widen the tent is turning off more people than they realize. These same type policies is what's causing so many to flee the democratic party.

If a third party truly rises up in the country, it will be because of this one issue and all the issues surrounding it... ie housing, education, crime, and on and on.

29 posted on 04/15/2003 4:55:58 PM PDT by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: JohnHuang2
Excellent, excellent post!
30 posted on 04/15/2003 5:18:52 PM PDT by Under the Radar
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To: nanny
Associated Press December 24, 2002 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- WASHINGTON -- President Bush thinks gifts should never, ever be opened before Christmas morning. A fondly recalled practice from first lady Laura Bush's childhood dictates tamales and enchiladas for the Christmas Eve menu.

Included in the holiday decorations brought with them to Washington are two creches, one a Mexican nativity scene.

Perhaps the answer is in these clues. I never have been able to find out what part of her childhood has ties to Mexico. Perhaps someone out there knows and can enlighten me.

Clearly, though, the Bushes have some deep tie to Mexico. Maybe it was that she had a mexican maid growing up. I would like to know.

31 posted on 04/15/2003 6:07:38 PM PDT by raybbr
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To: kstewskis
To the state board's credit, they objected vehemently. This is merely more Reconquista crap pushed by Marco Firebaugh, Manny Diaz, Richard Polanco and the rest of the criminal gang that makes up the "Latino Caucus" in the California state legislature. And Davis goes along with it when it's convenient.

Be interesting to see what Davis does now that polls show Bustamante more popular than him. He might try to get back the white/Anglo and overpopulation/no-growth Dems by... gasp...appealing 187 to the Supreme Court. He could say, "we just can't afford to subsidize everyone now". If a recall IS approved, that would be a long shot tactic he could revert to.

Naaahh. He's too twisted to do something smart like that. It's his own corruption that got him into this mess; he'll never get it. He'll go down trying to bribe someone. He's beyond help.

32 posted on 04/15/2003 6:32:15 PM PDT by Regulator
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To: WRhine
Well, I have an idea - suppose next election we try to vote an illegal, maybe a Mexican citizen, living in Mexico, into a national office. Then we will see if our politicians think laws are to be broken. I'll bet you would see weeping, wailing and gnashing of teeth in Washington if that happened.

We could always use the reason that we can't find a qualified American politician, and bring him/her in under the H1B program----

33 posted on 04/15/2003 6:44:02 PM PDT by nanny
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To: Regulator
To the state board's credit, they objected vehemently.

Whew, that makes perfect sense. I don't know of one physician that would think that this is a good idea.

This is merely more Reconquista crap pushed by Marco Firebaugh, Manny Diaz, Richard Polanco and the rest of the criminal gang that makes up the "Latino Caucus" in the California state legislature.

Sadly, like the rest of Kalifornia, it has been taken over by the criminal gangs, aka "The Latino Caucus." Latinos out number every ethnicity in Kalifornia now, I don't see a chance that the immigration issue will ever be remedied.

And Davis goes along with it when it's convenient.

He is such a putz. I can't believe that he still ran and won against the republican (albeit weak) challenger, when his poll numbers were still in the tank, even after the energy fiasco awhile back. He's an bribing idiot, can't swim his way out of a barrel, and I agree with you. He's too stupid to figure it out.

34 posted on 04/15/2003 6:51:49 PM PDT by kstewskis
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To: raybbr
I don't know what the tie between Mexico and the Bushes is. It isn't too unusual for Texas to adopt a lot of the Mexican culture - until recently I really enjoyed it -

It is said that Fox and his elite group want to rid Mexico of the dark skinned Spanish/Indians and leave the riches of Mexico to the white-skinned people. One site I read said that Fox actually did not have enough MExican blood to qualify for affirmative action in the US. This may be part of it and President Bush wants to break down our sovereignty and create the union that 'has no borders'. What better way to do it, then flood one country with people who have no allegiance to it - who are breaking the back and finances of the ones who do - make them citizens and allow them to vote for your ideas. The illegals who come here don't care if they live in America or some huge union. It doesn't matter to them.

35 posted on 04/15/2003 6:52:08 PM PDT by nanny
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To: kstewskis
Latinos out number every ethnicity in Kalifornia now, I don't see a chance that the immigration issue will ever be remedied.

Sadly, you are right. It is now political suicide for any politician to even express an opinion that our borders should be protected, or that illegals should not get everything they want.

Those of you who are praying men and women, pray and pray hard. Only God can save this country now.

36 posted on 04/15/2003 7:33:48 PM PDT by Nea Wood
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To: Dutchy; RaceBannon; Black Agnes
Schlafly ping. Defy you to answer no to any question she posed.
37 posted on 04/15/2003 8:15:17 PM PDT by StarFan
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To: firebrand; rmlew; Cacique; nutmeg; Coleus; hot august night
ping.
38 posted on 04/15/2003 8:45:18 PM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: Reaganwuzthebest
Their "outreach" to illegal aliens in order to widen the tent is turning off more people than they realize. These same type policies is what's causing so many to flee the democratic party.

The GOP is without question the dumber of the two parties, at least on a strategic level...though the democrats will get theirs too at a later date.

I live in a town 50 miles outside of Chicago that very much fits the description of Middle Class America. Nice neighborhoods, good schools, little to no crime. But the situation out here has rapidly changed for the worse in just the last 2 years. These days our town and the surrounding areas are being inundated with illegal aliens. They started out by grouping up in the older sections of town and have spread out all over the place.

There is not a time I go shopping when some illegal with 3-4 kids in tow doesn't whip out food stamps at the counter and ties up that line for minutes on end. Of course they can't speak English so if there is any problem with their food stamps they can shut down a line for a half-hour as the store personnel try to work out the problem. Oh and you won’t see any sense of shame on the faces of these folks. LOL. It's like "we are here, and there is nothing you can do about it...so get used to it."

What's interesting though is that the Illegals I see every day usually have nice clothes, late model cars and certainly don't look like they need any kind of assistance. They obviously know how to game OUR system to the max.

If the GOP higher-ups believe that this growing contingent of illegal aliens are going to vote (presumably when they are citizens) for anything other than ever-greater socialism they are off their rocker. It's so blatantly obvious that most illegal aliens identify with socialism that it would be astonishing if the GOP elite didn’t know this as well. Really, what we have today is outright tyranny at the top levels of our government.

39 posted on 04/15/2003 8:58:18 PM PDT by WRhine
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To: nanny
Well, I have an idea - suppose next election we try to vote an illegal, maybe a Mexican citizen, living in Mexico, into a national office. Then we will see if our politicians think laws are to be broken. I'll bet you would see weeping, wailing and gnashing of teeth in Washington if that happened.

We could always use the reason that we can't find a qualified American politician, and bring him/her in under the H1B program----

heh heh heh. Good One nanny. Let's see if our politicos like living in the same swamp they created for everyone else. If they don't we can always call them "racists" and watch them turn pale.

40 posted on 04/15/2003 9:13:03 PM PDT by WRhine
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To: WRhine
The illegals come here in droves knowing that they can get free handouts courtesy of the US taxpayer. Something has got to be done to control the influx of illegal immigration. The big tent nonsense is going to backfire and ruin this country at the same time.
41 posted on 04/15/2003 9:18:04 PM PDT by The Highlander
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To: WRhine
There is not a time I go shopping when some illegal with 3-4 kids in tow doesn't whip out food stamps at the counter and ties up that line for minutes on end.

We have the same problem in our area with that, but most of those using food stamps are legal immigrants from Europe... places like Bosnia mostly. I guess our government has too much money burning holes in its pockets they need to give away.

But what you're experiencing with illegals hasn't hit us too bad yet, though I don't need a crystal ball to know it's coming, and it angers the heck out of me nothing is being done to stop it. Our kids and grandkids are going to pay dearly for the government's incompetence in the future.

42 posted on 04/15/2003 9:24:28 PM PDT by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: The Highlander
The big tent nonsense is going to backfire and ruin this country at the same time.

Without a doubt but trying explaining this to Karl Rove. I really believe there is something much more sinister at work here. Bush and Rove know the score on immigration.

It's not important what politicians say. They will say anything to get elected. It's what they DO. And their actions speak VOLUMES about their INTENTIONS. I agree with those that think the endgame of the Political/Industrial Beltway Elite is a sovereign-less America without borders. Unless by way of divine intervention some new political force steps into the equation and alters our destiny the Fabled "Middle Class America” will be a thing of the past in a few short decades. I hope I'm not around to see it.

43 posted on 04/15/2003 9:41:01 PM PDT by WRhine
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To: Reaganwuzthebest
Our kids and grandkids are going to pay dearly for the government's incompetence in the future.

That is the biggest tragedy of this whole sorry mess. Future generations will curse Our generation for destroying the American Dream for a quick buck and fleeting power with no thought or care about the next generations of Americans.

44 posted on 04/15/2003 9:58:55 PM PDT by WRhine
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To: Regulator
Because everyone here KNOWS the real problem: illegal immigration. EVERYONE I talk to is aware that that's the real problem, but are terrified to talk about it for fear of being called "racist".

I'm not afraid to talk about it. Taken nasty heat for it too. Been called a KKK member, Nazi, and various other vile, nasty terms, but never a quote of something I have said that's wrong, no quotes......Ever.

That's probably why I am confident, that many silently support my position, as with others that are not afraid to speak up. I refuse to play that game, and the unjustified grief and slander that some have directed my way is truly offensive and very suspect I might add.

45 posted on 04/15/2003 9:59:20 PM PDT by Joe Hadenuf
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To: Joe Hadenuf; Fred Mertz
20. Is the reason why questions about border security and immigration were omitted from the Republican survey because our leaders don't want to know the answers?


46 posted on 04/15/2003 10:09:49 PM PDT by TLBSHOW (The gift is to see the truth.....)
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To: TLBSHOW
The answers are known, the rest is just a facade.
47 posted on 04/15/2003 10:15:46 PM PDT by Joe Hadenuf
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To: WRhine
"Our government might as well tell the world “Please Take Us Over”. Maybe they are."

I think you have hit the nail on the head, my friend!

President Bush is NOT stupid. On the contrary, he knows exactly what he is doing. He is leading this country to a one world government... interim step being a united "western hemisphere". What do you think he and the other attendees at such "conferences" as Bilderberg and Bohemian Grove are discussing?.... They are discussing GLOBALIZATION and have been for years. They all assume it is enevivitable and good for America.

My own thoughts are that Globablization would be good for America if all the rest of the world thought and behaved towards individual freedoms as we historically have.... but they DON'T. And as it has been already shown in the recent United Nations activities, these other nations can easily vote down anything America proposses. Will our traditional values of Individual freedom last long in a Global Government? Or will all we have fought so long and hard for these last 230 years be distroyed by the power-hungry petty dictators of 3rd world nations who will out vote us in the end and turn the entire world into what they are now... a 3rd world. If you cringe at supporting the "half ??" of the USA who is poor with your tax dollars.... how will you like supporting the "90-something ?? percent" of the whole world who is poor with your hard earned taxed dollars? It will take more than 40% of your income to do so... it will take ALL of your income to do it!

I (reluctantly) voted for Bush in the election, kept my mouth shut about my fears so that there would be no chance these fears would cause someone else to not vote for Bush... and I will vote for him again. I have no choice.. the alternative (a liberal Dem.) is too horrible to think about. But the fears are coming true.

If Bush wanted to show his concern for Mexican-Americans and gain their support for the election, then he is smart enough to think of a way to show that concern toward the legal immigrants... for it is the legals who make invaluable contributions to a growing nation. (a great deal of the Cuban-American) population is tribute to that).

Is there not anyone who will lead this county towards a secure future for our grandchildren's freedom? Or do we just give in to Globalization and a One World Government as Bush already has?

48 posted on 04/16/2003 5:28:35 AM PDT by Apple Pan Dowdy (... as American as Apple Pie)
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To: JohnHuang2
Good post, JH2. The only thing I'd change is, instead of using the word "undocumented", I'd use a word that accurately describes what these people are, and that word is "illegal". No sense in candy-coating the issue, it only makes it sound less dangerous than it really is. Great idea, though no one of any stripe in DC seems too concerned about the invasion of our nation.

Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!

49 posted on 04/16/2003 5:53:41 AM PDT by wku man
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To: Reaganwuzthebest
These are supposedly smart men and women with college educations running the GOP, but only lay people can see the obvious?

That is what makes me think it is not ignorance - it is an agenda that is being carried out.

50 posted on 04/16/2003 6:25:44 AM PDT by nanny
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