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Lethal Weapon (Tomahawk)
ABCNEWS.com ^ | April 15 | David Tillett

Posted on 04/15/2003 7:18:06 AM PDT by Wonder Warthog

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1 posted on 04/15/2003 7:18:06 AM PDT by Wonder Warthog
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2 posted on 04/15/2003 7:19:04 AM PDT by Support Free Republic (Your support keeps Free Republic going strong!)
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To: Wonder Warthog
including breaching doors, smashing locks or tearing out windows to enter buildings

Now I'm being filled with genetic memories of my ancestors and their tomohawks, so I don't expect to accomplish too much work now... thanks a lot... ;0)

3 posted on 04/15/2003 7:22:56 AM PDT by Chad Fairbanks (Some days, it's just not worth gnawing through the straps...)
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To: Wonder Warthog
I like the design explanations:

Eagle Talon

Cause and Effect...Reasons Behind the Design

Handle

The handle is a full tang construction, 3/8" thick.  To break the handle, you have to break the steel. This ensures that you always have a handle to hold on to. There is no need to have a handle guarantee because unless you use a cutting torch or a chop saw, you are not going to break the handle.

The handle is also skeletonized. Not only does this reduce the weight, it also allows the handle to accept Micarta handles, or to be cord wrapped. Any Talon with Micarta handles can be cord wrapped - the handles come off with a standard philips screw driver.

The cord wrapped handle has over 21 feet of nylon parachute cord. The user can remove this cord for use, and still use the tomahawk effectively.

The Micarta handles are each laced with 2 feet of 4mm nylon cord. This cord can be removed for other uses. This lacing greatly enhances the gripping power available on the hawk.

The Micarta scales are shadow-boxed 0.050", that is they are inset so that steel always hits before Micarta. This offset also enhances the grip.

The handle is an overall oval shape. A round handle is difficult to index, and is not comfortable in the hand when swinging or chopping. Control is very important when swinging something razor sharp - the oval shape helps facilitate this control.

 

 

Materials

The Talon is made from 4140 Chrome-Moly steel. This material is often chosen by designers for its' toughness, and is used extensively in machinery, heavy equipment, even tanks. The tensile strength is much higher than commonly used knifemaking steels.

The Micarta handles are very tough having over twice the impact resistance of Acetal, hickory and other commonly used materials. Micarta also has a low moisture absorption rate, and excellent UV resistance.

The screw fasteners utilized on the handles are 304 stainless steel. This ensures that you will always be able to take the handles apart. Corrosion inside the screws is not a problem.

Spike

The spike is made long enough to inflict a death blow, short enough to keep the piece balanced. There is a lot of material directly behind the spike to ensure striking stability. The spike geometry is designed such that the best balance between penetration ability and strength is reached. The spike will penetrate through a kevlar helmet, easily punches completely through your typical steel clad door and eats tires for breakfast. In other words you stick it in an assailant or use it to punch holes in 55 gallon oil drums to string cable in making road blocks. ( A common Talon use )

Blade

The forward edge is designed for general field use. The blade geometry is designed for taking abuse. The concept in my mind was this: The spike and the beard are your killing edges, the forward edge takes care of chores and chopping around. One guy in Afghanistan used his to chop armament off of a downed Soviet MIG.

4 posted on 04/15/2003 7:25:05 AM PDT by dark_lord
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To: Wonder Warthog; Chad Fairbanks
Great post! Pictures are below.


Members of a Special Operations team deployed near Iraq prior to the start of combat hold tomahawks their unit purchased. Their identities have been obscured at the request of Army officials. (Courtesy of American Tomahawk Co.)


From top right to lower left: American Tomahawk Co. founder Peter LaGana's original 1966 design for the "Vietnam Tomahawk," with drop-forged head and hickory handle; today's Vietnam Tactical Tomahawk with synthetic handle; LaGana Titanium Tactical Tomahawk. (Courtesy of American Tomahawk Co.)


RMJ Forge's version of a modern tactical tomahawk, the Eagle Talon Special Forces Tomahawk. (www.rmjforge.com)

5 posted on 04/15/2003 7:28:14 AM PDT by Constitution Day (Esse Quam Videri)
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To: dark_lord
Wow! I gotta get me one of THOSE... the old wooden handled one I have pales in comparison...
6 posted on 04/15/2003 7:29:37 AM PDT by Chad Fairbanks (Some days, it's just not worth gnawing through the straps...)
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To: Wonder Warthog
Call me Crazy but this article smells like an attempt to portray our soldiers as bloodthirsty savages by comparing them to Mel Gibsons character in the Patriot.
7 posted on 04/15/2003 7:32:53 AM PDT by Formermasslurker
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To: Wonder Warthog
bump
8 posted on 04/15/2003 7:35:41 AM PDT by RippleFire
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To: Constitution Day
Powder..Patch..Ball FIRE!

One of my favorite weapons is the hawk. I throw a hand forged 20oz, my 11 year old son is deadly with his 10oz mouse hawk. His favorite activity at vouz is to challenge older kids to a game of "Handles". He NEVER loses... still has the original handle on his hawk from over 18 months ago...

9 posted on 04/15/2003 7:36:32 AM PDT by BallandPowder (Will I vote for Pres Bush if he helps the Assault Weapons ban past sunset? I don't know yet.)
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To: Formermasslurker
Well, I won't call you crazy. But yeah, I do think you're reading too much into the article. I didn't detect any slight to the U. S. military here -- just a real interesting story.
10 posted on 04/15/2003 7:37:21 AM PDT by 68skylark
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To: Constitution Day
While shopping last night the fire alarm in the store went off. The first responder off of the truck was carrying a short fire axe. Understand the difference between and axe and a Tomahawk, but the similiarities are still there.
11 posted on 04/15/2003 7:37:27 AM PDT by 30-06 Springfield
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To: Chad Fairbanks
Puts to shame my favorite; the Philippine bolo...
12 posted on 04/15/2003 7:38:05 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
And it works great for smashing in the doors of frontier cabins, killing the men, and making off with the women-folk... errr not that I'd know about that or anything... ;0)
13 posted on 04/15/2003 7:39:56 AM PDT by Chad Fairbanks (Some days, it's just not worth gnawing through the straps...)
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To: BallandPowder
I don't have any experience with them but they sound like a lot of fun.

Like your tagline, BTW.

14 posted on 04/15/2003 7:42:18 AM PDT by Constitution Day (Esse Quam Videri)
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To: Wonder Warthog
While tomahawks have historically been made in a variety of patterns, LaGana chose a "spike hawk" design — which has the cutting blade common to hatchets, but a sturdy penetrating spike on the opposite side.

This design originated with the 15th to 16th century battle axes and hammers used against opponents in plate armor. It's a time-proven design.

15 posted on 04/15/2003 7:43:37 AM PDT by asformeandformyhouse
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To: Chad Fairbanks
Norse invaders carried iron and bronze hachets when they sailed down to plunder Atlantic Europe. They had copper and iron ore--a competitive advantage at the time.
16 posted on 04/15/2003 7:49:33 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
True, but they DID run like frightened little girls when they ran into my New World ancestors in Vinland ;0)
17 posted on 04/15/2003 7:54:03 AM PDT by Chad Fairbanks (Some days, it's just not worth gnawing through the straps...)
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To: Constitution Day
Powder..Patch..Ball FIRE!

Yeah they are a lot of fun, Hawk and Knife competitions are a part of the Rondezvous experience, trappers, mountain-men longhunters and native americans ALL used tomahawks as a main battle weapon because of their versatility and deadliness. We do it to keep history alive and because it is fun. Of course it never hurts to have another weapons skill under your belt either....

18 posted on 04/15/2003 7:59:17 AM PDT by BallandPowder (Will I vote for Pres Bush if he helps the Assault Weapons ban past sunset? I don't know yet.)
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To: dark_lord
Just curious, but to my very limited knowledge of this topic, the current designs seem to derive more from mountain climbers ice axes....am I wrong?
19 posted on 04/15/2003 8:15:16 AM PDT by ken5050
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To: Wonder Warthog
Cool.
20 posted on 04/15/2003 8:20:57 AM PDT by Warhead W-88
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