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Museum Pillage Described as Devastating but Not Total [The story begins to change...]
New York Times ^ | 4/17/03 | Ian Fisher

Posted on 04/16/2003 10:18:41 PM PDT by saquin

Museum Pillage Described as Devastating but Not Total

By IAN FISHER

BAGHDAD, Iraq, April 16 - Curators surveyed the damage at the National Museum of Iraq today, and expressed both worry at how much might have been stolen in the looting last week and tentative hope that thousands of years of Iraq's cultural heritage might not have vanished completely.

"It's not a total loss," Donny George, the director of research for the Iraqi Board of Antiquities, said in an interview today. "But some of the major masterpieces are gone."

The museum, which housed a priceless collection dating back 7,000 years to the Sumerian civilization, was looted over two days following the fall of Saddam Hussein's government. The pillaging infuriated Iraqis who complained that American troops here did little to stop it.

Two other repositories of artifacts, the National Library and a collection of old handwritten Korans, were also burned and stripped clean in what many experts believe may be an irrecoverable disaster for Islamic cultural heritage.

With the museum at last under the protection of American troops and tanks, Dr. George said today that part of the collection had been stored in vaults in the basement just before the war, though some of the heavier and more fragile items remained in the galleries. Some items were also taken elsewhere for storage.

He said looters did manage to break into the basement, but said his team of experts had only begun assessing the extent of the damage. "We have to check all the boxes to see what is lost," he said, "and that will take time, a lot of time."

Dr. George listed three treasures he said were missing: a three-foot carved Sumerian vase from 3200 B.C., a headless black statue of the Sumerian king Entemena, dating from 2600 B.C., and a carved sacred cup of the same age.

In the last several days, officials from Unesco and the British Museum, which houses one of the largest collections of Mesopotamian antiquities, said they would send experts to Iraq to help assess the losses.

In New York, Dr. Philippe de Montebello, director of the Metropolitan Museum of Art, said he was gaining wide support for proposals that the museum looters be offered immunity from prosecution and some compensation if they return their loot. He said he had spoken on Tuesday with Karl Rove, President Bush's chief political adviser, about efforts to recover the artifacts.

"He agreed that immunity and compensation was the way to go," Dr. de Montebello said of Mr. Rove, who did not indicate what, if anything, the White House was prepared to do.

In one possibly encouraging sign, several people in the Al Awi neighborhood that surrounds the museum said they did not see looters leave with any antiquities, even amid gun battles and looting that lasted two days.

An imam who lives behind the museum said he stood outside the museum for several hours on the first day of the looting, begging them to stop. "I kept reminding them that this is their country and it was against Islam to steal," said the imam, who asked not to be identified.

But he said the only items from the collection he saw stolen were several old rifles. Mostly, he said, he saw looters take chairs, typewriters, ceiling lamp fixtures and other items from the museum's offices, as happened at nearly every other government office in the capital.

Abed El Rahman, a museum security guard who lives on the premises, also said that rifles were the only items he saw stolen from the collections. "But many people were carrying boxes," he said. "I don't know what was in the boxes."

Mr. Rahman began to cry when asked what the museum was like before it was looted. "It was beautiful," he said. "The museum is civilization."


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Front Page News; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: antiquities; looting
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1 posted on 04/16/2003 10:18:41 PM PDT by saquin
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To: saquin
"I kept reminding them that this is their country and it was against Islam to steal," said the imam, who asked not to be identified.

Well, obviously that didn't work with Iraqi looters. These aren't Americans or Brits looting everything that isn't red-hot or nailed down.

2 posted on 04/16/2003 10:36:23 PM PDT by xJones
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To: saquin
What about the destruction of all the Saddam statues? Certainly, they will be worth something in 7,000 years!
3 posted on 04/16/2003 11:00:47 PM PDT by opinionator
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To: saquin
These objects still exist. It's not like they were destroyed, they are just in another location and most will be returned or bought back.
4 posted on 04/17/2003 12:12:12 AM PDT by RJayneJ
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To: Mark
Two other repositories of artifacts, the National Library and a collection of old handwritten Korans, were also burned and stripped clean in what many experts believe may be an irrecoverable disaster for Islamic cultural heritage.

Bwahahahaha!

5 posted on 04/17/2003 12:32:37 AM PDT by ambrose
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To: ambrose
Like they really need those Korans ? They and chairs and old rifles are of antiquarian magnitude ? LOL
6 posted on 04/17/2003 12:38:10 AM PDT by nopardons
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To: Mark17
ping.
7 posted on 04/17/2003 12:39:48 AM PDT by ambrose
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To: nopardons
A Koran serves some useful purposes.. for example... if you're out of toilet paper....
8 posted on 04/17/2003 12:40:28 AM PDT by ambrose
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To: ambrose
Maybe we can teach them and supply them them with something better now. Charmin, perhaps ? :-)
9 posted on 04/17/2003 12:42:11 AM PDT by nopardons
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To: saquin
The pillaging infuriated Iraqis who complained that American troops here did little to stop it.

If the Iraqis were so concerned about possible looting at this museum, why didn't they guard it themselves? The U.S. military had their hands full with another activity at the time, something called WAR.

10 posted on 04/17/2003 12:55:48 AM PDT by judgeandjury (The more numerous the laws, the more corrupt the state.)
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To: JasonC; Fifth Business; RadioAstronomer; wideminded
Latest info. See ? All the hand wringing over almost NOTHING !
11 posted on 04/17/2003 1:00:21 AM PDT by nopardons
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To: ambrose; nopardons
Rather disgusting comments. If a muslim started a fire at the UT library that destroyed the Guttenberg Bible, I doubt if you two would be cracking jokes about that.
12 posted on 04/17/2003 1:01:56 AM PDT by Diddle E. Squat
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To: Diddle E. Squat
Frankly, I wouldn't be all that upset about one Guttenberg Bible. There are several extant. Even IF that were not so, there is just the wee difference in the fact that AMERICANS did NOT start any fires in libraries or museums AND nowhere in a GB, does it implore the reader to go out and kill every nonChristian or nonJew. Now, the same can't be said about the Koran.

Wake up and see the facts; instead of promulgating emontional nonsense and illogical drivel.

13 posted on 04/17/2003 1:08:19 AM PDT by nopardons
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To: Diddle E. Squat
Your analogy leaves something to be desired... It was a Muslim who torched a Muslim library.
14 posted on 04/17/2003 1:08:56 AM PDT by ambrose
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To: ambrose
GMTA ! :-)
15 posted on 04/17/2003 1:09:53 AM PDT by nopardons
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To: nopardons; ambrose
My post was highlighting ya'll's hypocritical attitude regarding Islam versus Christianity. I can differentiate between the peaceful Muslims who coexist here in America and the few militant Islamists who are the problems. Daniel Pipes says 85% of Muslims in America have nothing to do with the militant sects, and only about 1% are actively supportive of the dangerous elements. So are you telling Daniel Pipes to wake up? I'll trust his judgement and experience over ya'll's any day.

Throwing out the baby with the bathwater is not what America is about. The constitution is about protecting individual's rights, not discriminating against groups based on the actions of a few. No matter how one tries to simplistically rationalize such group ostracization.
16 posted on 04/17/2003 1:20:00 AM PDT by Diddle E. Squat
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To: Diddle E. Squat
Daniel Pipes is brilliant and he would have have understood what I was commenting on; unlike you.

For the past week, or so, hysterics here, in the newspapers, T.V., and GOD only knows where else, have been trashing President Bush, his team, the military, and American for not having placed a battelion around the museum ; claiming that the looting caused unimaginable damage to irreplaceable antiquities,that the world simply could not live without, due to the magnitude of the wealth of knowledge they held. This has been debated, in thread after thread, with a few hand wringing whingers , who don't know much about antiquities, what other museums have, nor even the history of Sumer, going into hyperventilating hysterics. This newly posted info throws all of THAT into a cocked hat; so to speack and shows them all up.

No, your post wasn't " highlighting " anyone's " hypocritical attitude regarding Islam " ! I wouldn't have a fit if an old Bible or two were burned. There are plenty of them; just as there are a HUGE number of rather early, middle, and late Korans out there...in museums, mosques, libraries, and private collectors' hands. They are available; so available, that if you asked me if I could get my hands on one tomorrow, my answer would be, if you want it, I'll give you the phone number and you can have it as soon as you either go to one of their three shops, or make a phone call.

Why don't YOU not get all emotionally bent out of shape over a slight, which was neither written nor thought of ?

17 posted on 04/17/2003 1:34:58 AM PDT by nopardons
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To: Diddle E. Squat; nopardons
Yes, Islam is a Peaceful and Loving Religion...


18 posted on 04/17/2003 1:41:54 AM PDT by ambrose
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To: nopardons
Keep on digging. Please quote where I have done any 'handwringing' over the museum looting.(Hint, I have never written such.)

For whatever reason, you have taken my criticism of taking cheap shots at Muslims and wrapped it in a strawman argument of overblowing the museum looting. Seems a lack of reading comprehension, perhaps even purposeful, might be more indicative of the emotional-driven posting you accuse me of. Just because we may agree on certain issues doesn't mean I should ignore a tacky and divisive cheap shot at a Muslim.

Frankly I am a bit embarrassed for you tonight. Maybe a good night's sleep would be wise.
19 posted on 04/17/2003 1:43:54 AM PDT by Diddle E. Squat
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To: ambrose
Take it up with Daniel Pipes and Steve Emerson. Neither condemns the entire religion based on the actions of a militant sect.

But hey, much easier to burn all the alleged witches in Salem.
20 posted on 04/17/2003 1:46:47 AM PDT by Diddle E. Squat
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