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UPSET GUN OWNERS SET TO DUMP BUSH
Worldnetdaily ^ | April 17, 2003 | By Jon Dougherty

Posted on 04/17/2003 12:53:55 AM PDT by Uncle Bill

Edited on 04/17/2003 1:47:21 AM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

Upset Gun Owners Set To Dump Bush

Shooters angered with White House support for firearm ban

Worldnetdaily
By Jon Dougherty
April 17, 2003

Unhappy with President Bush's decision to support continuation of a controversial gun ban passed during the Clinton administration, many gun owners say they'll dump Bush in 2004 and vote for someone else if he signs new legislation extending the prohibition.

Angel Shamaya, founder and executive director of the KeepAndBearArms.com website, said in a single day some 4,300 people responded to a poll on the site asking if respondents would continue to support Bush if he renewed a ban on so-called "assault weapons," initially passed in 1994.

According to polling results by midday yesterday, that figure had climbed to near 4,900 people, with most – more than 93 percent – responding "no" to this question: "If Congress votes to re-authorize the 1994 Clinton/Feinstein federal so-called 'Assault Weapons' ban, gives the bill to President Bush and he signs it into law, would you still vote for him in his bid for re-election to the presidency in 2004?"

Less than 7 percent said they'd still support Bush if he aids in reauthorizing the legislation.

The 1994 Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act, among other things, banned the manufacture and importation of certain military-style semi-automatic rifles, dubbed "assault weapons" by bill supporters, while limiting magazine capacity to just 10 rounds. It is considered a crowning achievement for anti-gun groups, but to get more support, the bill's sponsors inserted a 10-year sunset provision, which takes effect in September 2004 – weeks before the general election.

Gun rights groups like the National Rifle Association were hoping the GOP-controlled Congress would allow the law to expire. The current Congress and administration are considered the most gun-rights friendly in a more than a decade, but Bush's comments last week threw that presumption into doubt. White House spokesman Scott McClellan told Knight-Ridder newspapers that the president "supports the current law, and he supports reauthorization of the current law."

"There is no such thing as gun control, only incremental gun prohibition," said Brian Puckett, co-founder of national gun-rights organization Citizens of America, of the ban itself. "Gun owners must grasp another political reality, which is: Allowing the government to get away with dictating the features of some guns sets the judicial, legislative and psychological precedent for allowing them to dictate the features of all guns."

"Our gun-rights organization, along with many others, took a stand for Bush in and after the 2000 election," Shamaya told WorldNetDaily. "From urging even Libertarians and third-party voters to support him to helping account for 'lost' military votes in case it came down to that, we fought to turn the Texas governor into a president. If supporting a semi-automatic rifle ban – the Feinstein/Clinton gun ban, no less – is how he intends to repay us, he's lost his marbles."

While the results of the KABA poll are non-scientific, they do provide a glimpse into the angst of gun owners. As WorldNetDaily reported, some lawmakers and gun-rights advocates are also upset with Bush's stance.

"I was surprised and disappointed to learn of the report of the president's support for continuing the ban on homeland-security rifles, aka semi-auto rifles," said Larry Pratt, executive director of Virginia-based Gun Owners of America, a group with 300,000 members nationwide.

"I am also puzzled. Why would George Bush want to help Democrats? The issue, when it was opposed by most Republicans, cost Democrats the House in 1994 and the White House in 2000," Pratt said. "Banning the homeland-security rifle is pure Washington, but anti-Constitution and anti-homeland security."

Rep. Ron Paul, R-Texas, also decried the current ban and does not support the president's position to renew it.

Gun-rights supporters voiced their opinions to WorldNetDaily regarding Bush's decision.

"I will not vote for [Bush] if this ban is in place by Election Day," one WND reader said. "I am a Republican who will vote for a Democrat if I have to, if they fight against this bill. All of my conservative, gun-owning friends are exactly the same as me."

"Recently we saw on TV our soldiers handing out AK-47s to Iraqi volunteer cops," said another reader. "Our government handing out AK-47s to people they do not know, folks that have not passed an FBI background check … Yet our government would fall over backwards before even suggesting that Americans arm themselves. Quite hypocritical, I think."

"I've said long ago that 'we'd see' about Bush on guns when this opportunity finally came about," said another. "What a non-surprise. One could wrap a dill pickle in a Godiva Chocolate box and bow, but the contents remain the same. …"

Not all gun owners have criticized Bush's decision.

"He stated during the campaign he supported the law. I am pro-guns and pro-NRA, but I agree that Bush should support this assault-weapons ban," said one reader. "When in Washington you have to pick your fights carefully and this is not one worth expending political capital on."

Gun-rights activists were also upset by the president's stance because it comes at a time when a new series of lawsuits against gun makers is being launched by the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People and others.

One retailer/activist, Concealed Carry Inc., of Oak Brook, Ill., has even begun a campaign to "cooperate with the NAACP" and is refusing to sell firearms to blacks.

"I am going to use the broad authority granted me as a federally licensed gun dealer to prevent straw purchases by denying sales to African-Americans. To insure fairness, there will be no exceptions," said John Birch, president of Concealed Carry Inc. He said he'll continue to ban sales to African-Americans "until the NAACP asks us to, at which point we will be pleased to resume sales."

"We must let Bush and the Republican party know that if they don't support our rights we will either refuse to go to the polls or we will vote for a third party," Puckett said. "If you give them your vote even when they sell you out, they'll keep selling you out."

"President Bush created the so-called Homeland Security Department, yet he wants to continue a ban on homeland-security rifles and has done nothing to protect the sieve laughably called a border," Shamaya added. "Bush's support for a ban on semi-automatic rifles is a vote to leave patriots in this great nation with inferior defensive capabilities."


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To: RandallFlagg
Damn, Randall, don't ask for much, do you? That would all be fantastic, but the chances of Pres. Bush eliminating all firearms restrictions are just slightly smaller than the chances of my head jumping off my shoulders and flying around the room under its own power--it just isn't going to happen.
61 posted on 04/17/2003 3:31:41 AM PDT by dinodino
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To: dinodino
That happens to me after my 3rd shot of Tequilla....
62 posted on 04/17/2003 3:34:09 AM PDT by RandallFlagg ("There are worse things than crucifixion...There are teeth.")
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To: lavaroise
I'd love to get a candidate elected who doesn't MAKE mistakes on such fundamental decisions. That would thrill me to no end. I can understand someone who is a full throttle statist Democrat violating the Constitution, but how can a supposed Conservative Republican make "mistakes" on the same topics? It's really a sickening state of affairs.
63 posted on 04/17/2003 3:35:27 AM PDT by dinodino
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To: RandallFlagg
Well, he (Pres. Bush) would sure as heck regain my support and I'd donate as much as I could to his campaign. I'm sorry to say that I doubt I'll be given cause to write that check, though.
64 posted on 04/17/2003 3:37:19 AM PDT by dinodino
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To: Uncle Bill
I can just hear some of the posters here, who are criticizing you for holding Bush's feet to the fire on this issue, screaming bloody murder if Bush were to announce that he would veto any legislation restricting abortion. Then see who would be damned "single issue voters".
65 posted on 04/17/2003 3:40:49 AM PDT by TroutStalker
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To: Kurdistani
Great, I bet President John Kerrey will be much better for gun owners right? Give me a break.

One more thread for the single issue fanatics to threaten to help elect a DemocRAT if Bush doesn't agree with them on something. WAAAAAAHHHH!

66 posted on 04/17/2003 3:41:13 AM PDT by Jorge
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To: Jorge
Yep. You're right, Jorge--I'm a single-issue voter. My single issue is the Constitution. Candidates who crap on this document don't get my money or votes. What's your issue, or don't you have anything you are passionate about?
67 posted on 04/17/2003 3:52:37 AM PDT by dinodino
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To: dinodino
And I was referring to "Borderline" voters, like the kind who turned on Al Gore in the 2000 election and voted for G.W. The issue of gun rights was pivotal for them. I don't know if you identify with this group, but if it's that important, why take offense?

Such politics have varying degrees of meaning for different people. Guns rights for some is the foundation for the perpetuation of all the freedoms we hold dear. I tend to agree with that line of thinking.

The Bill Of Rights was specifically set up as limitations to government, not the people. This continual assault on the RTBA is a major concern, as it chips away little by little at the foundation of what allows us to keep what freedom we have.

Without such we would surely fail as a nation and a people.

If it's that important of an issue, and you hold it as being that important, it's a darn good reason to do so.

68 posted on 04/17/2003 4:02:18 AM PDT by Caipirabob (Democrats.. Socialists..Commies..Traitors...Who can tell the difference?)
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To: backhoe
Amen.

In 1992 many people voted for Ross Perot. Did the fact that they voted on principle make Bill Clinton easier to swallow?(gratuitous pun intended)
69 posted on 04/17/2003 4:04:09 AM PDT by heckler (wiskey for my men, beer for my horses ,sexy for me)
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To: Uncle Bill
Unhappy with President Bush's decision to support continuation of a controversial gun ban passed during the Clinton administration, many gun owners say they'll dump Bush in 2004 and vote for someone else if he signs new legislation extending the prohibition.

Which defines the term "cutting off your nose to spite your face."

70 posted on 04/17/2003 4:04:29 AM PDT by bullseye1911
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To: Kurdistani
I bet President John Kerrey will be much better for gun owners right? Give me a break.

No, Kerrey would sign the reauthorization of the gun ban just as Bush will do.

I won't give you a break, I'll give you a chance to explain to me why an un-Constitutional gun grab by a republican is better than an un-Constitutional gun grab by a democrat. From where I stand, the effect is the same.

Further, I will guarantee you that voting for Bush a second time will confirm to the republican leadership that that the right wing of the party approves of this and other moderate if not liberal actions by Bush.

One thing you can be sure of, when you reward an action, you will get more of it.

Regards

J.R.

71 posted on 04/17/2003 4:05:11 AM PDT by NMC EXP
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To: Caipirabob
Sorry, Bob, I mistakenly lumped you in with the folks here who are shrieking, "You'll elect Hillary!" and, "You are a one-issue voter!" I reread your post and see that you were talking about swing voters.

The posts from strict Constitutionalists are starting to get drowned out by the stuff spewing from the keyboards of the Republican Party shills.

72 posted on 04/17/2003 4:09:43 AM PDT by dinodino
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To: Jorge
One more thread for the single issue fanatics to threaten to help elect a DemocRAT if Bush doesn't agree with them on something

And another response from a "party before principle" fanatic.

Regards

J.R.

73 posted on 04/17/2003 4:14:03 AM PDT by NMC EXP
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To: NMC EXP; Jorge
And another response from a "party before principle" fanatic

Nope a response from a person who understands politics in modern America and doesn't wish to follow you over a cliff towards another demo Presidency.

74 posted on 04/17/2003 4:18:58 AM PDT by Dane
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To: Kurdistani
What is the point of holding onto "power" if there is no conservative power in it, but only more socialist power at the end of the day? The Republican party is trying to move far left, if their feet are not held to the fire, whose feet will you hold to the fire, Democrats?

My amazement is that anyone would vote for a no borders globalist again, no matter how well he handled the war, and still call themselves conservative, republican, or constitutionalist. Under the cloak of "Republican", Bush can inflict far more damage to our sovereignty than any democrat would be allowed to get away with and he has shown repeatedly that he will attempt to do so.

The major problem in Iraq has been delt with, we have major problems and our own brand of corruption and thugs right here at home and most collect checks as federal/state employees. We have our own Palestine South, Mexico, and we have our own France North, Canada. And we have a President that is very sympathetic, to the detriment of the US, to both of these enemies.

For some reason, it is more acceptable to me to be stabbed in the chest by my sleezy enemy, than stabbed in the back by someone wearing my uniform and flying my conservative flag. At least then Fox News would be able to educate people's thinking by being honest about the dangers we are being led into by those with a globalist, no guns, agenda.
75 posted on 04/17/2003 4:19:13 AM PDT by MissAmericanPie
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To: Uncle Bill
If you're getting that "voice in the wilderness" feeling about this issue and the responses you get from the usual suspects, keep your chin up.

There are 50,000 lurkers out there reading this stuff and some of them are learning from it.

Never compromise, never surrender.

Regards

J.R.
76 posted on 04/17/2003 4:19:41 AM PDT by NMC EXP
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To: Uncle Bill
Why am I NOT surprised this tripe is coming from WorldNetDaily?

That joke of a site has NO credibility.

Somone call a WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAbulance.
77 posted on 04/17/2003 4:19:59 AM PDT by The Lake City Gar
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To: joonbug
Go ahead and vote for a Dem instead of Bush.

If A is anti-gun, and B is anti-gun. ??????????????

78 posted on 04/17/2003 4:21:18 AM PDT by chainsaw
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To: NMC EXP
If you're getting that "voice in the wilderness" feeling about this issue and the responses you get from the usual suspects, keep your chin up.

You must mean the usual suspects who incessantly post that there is no difference between Bush and Hillary.

79 posted on 04/17/2003 4:22:24 AM PDT by Dane
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To: Uncle Bill
Lets face the facts; the ban did almost nothing in anyway. Anyone who wants a semi-auto rifle can still buy the same models that were available before the ban. Pre-ban guns are still available and post-ban guns are just as good. Who needed a baynet anyway.

This is a fake issue designed to split the vote. Bush is cunducting an important political move taking away an issue that the Demorats want to use as a hammer. Give him some help instead of pertending this ban is important.
80 posted on 04/17/2003 4:23:58 AM PDT by Clean_Sweep
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