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Foreigners who came to fight for Saddam turn guns on Shias
The Independent (U.K.) ^ | 04/20/03 | Kim Sengupta

Posted on 04/19/2003 2:58:21 PM PDT by Pokey78

"What is your first name?" the young man with blood on his face was asked. "Saddam," came the answer. What is your family name? Again: "Saddam." Who do you fight for? "Saddam."

The man being questioned, with his arms tied behind his back, admitted to being a Fedayeen, but he refused to say which country he was from. His captors, Shia Muslim militia in Saddam City, thought his accent was that of a Yemeni. In the past 10 days, they claimed, they had also captured Algerians, Palestinians and Pakistanis – Sunni Muslim "Wahabi terrorists" sent to carry out murderous sectarian attacks.

A vicious secret war is taking place in Saddam City, the vast Shia slum just 20 minutes' drive from the centre of Baghdad. Local people say they are the victims of the "Wahabis", Sunnis who came to fight for Saddam Hussein against the Americans, and have now turned their guns on them.

US officials in Baghdad acknowledge privately that Sunni fighters, financed from Saudi Arabia, are in Iraq and have been attacking Shia areas. On the other side, they say, Iranians are backing Shias. The Americans, however, do not appear to be doing anything about this emerging civil war. Not one soldier or tank could be found in Saddam City.

The Fedayeen caught by the Shias allegedly took part in an indiscriminate drive-by shooting at a market. Semi-automatic rifles had been fired into the crowd. A white pick-up truck, windscreen shattered, around a dozen bullet holes in the bodywork, had crashed into a wall. It was one of two vehicles used; the other one got away. Two more Fedayeen had run off, and Shia militiamen were hunting them in the narrow alleyways and tenement buildings.

One man had died in the attack. Four others, including an 11-year-old boy, had been injured. They had all been taken to a hospital which, until last week, used to be called Saddam General. There were others with minor injuries. Hamid Abdullah, 68, showed a neck wound, which he said was a bullet graze, although it could just as easily been caused by flying glass.

"These people have been sent by shaitan (Satan) to torment us," he shouted, waving his finger at the Fedayeen. "They come and kill women, children, even old persons like me. They have no mercy."

Karim Makles Hassan, a Shia militiaman, picked up an AK-47 and prodded the captive in the chest with it. "This is what the Wahabi used in this offence, we saw him firing," he said. "We have caught at least 35 of them. In the past we have given them to the Americans. They have kept a few, but we know they have let the others go. Now we must deal with these prisoners ourselves."

The Fedayeen was slightly-built, just over medium height with a wispy beard and a deep cut on the side of his head. He wore a torn camouflage jacket and black jeans. His boots had been removed. He kept licking his lips, and despite the warmth of the evening, he was shaking. "He has been giving his name as Saddam because the Wahabis say they are proud to fight for him," said Hassan. "But we tell him that is just an excuse, Saddam has gone, their real purpose is to attack us Shias."

The Fedayeen prisoners were held at the al-Mohsin mosque. Although the official Shia line was that they were all given over to the Americans, one of the militiamen disclosed that some have been sent off to the Shia holy city of Najaf.

Imam Saied Hassan Naji, imprisoned by the Iraqi regime but freed under an amnesty by Saddam at the end of last year, believes he may be on the Wahabi death list. "They have specifically targeted religious people and their homes," he said. "We do not know who are controlling these people, but the Americans do not stop them coming in and attacking us."

A little later, shots rang out in the distance. "Maybe we have found the others of the Fedayeen," said Karim Makles Hassan with a laugh. The young prisoner began to shake more than ever.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: arab; arabs; fedayeen; iraqifreedom; islam; martyersiniraq; martyrsiniraq; muslim; najaf; powerstruggle; saddamcity; saudiarabia; shia; terrorists; wahabis; warlist

1 posted on 04/19/2003 2:58:21 PM PDT by Pokey78
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To: Pokey78
They have no mercy.
But they do have a certain, je ne sai qua, no?
2 posted on 04/19/2003 3:01:59 PM PDT by Asclepius (to the barricades)
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To: Pokey78
"We have caught at least 35 of them. In the past we have given them to the Americans. They have kept a few, but we know they have let the others go. Now we must deal with these prisoners ourselves."

Sounds like a good idea. I'd like these guys dead, but I'd prefer that we not have our guys carrying out summary executions. Let the locals clean things up.

3 posted on 04/19/2003 3:05:27 PM PDT by American Soldier
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To: Pokey78
Gee, but where are the human shields?
4 posted on 04/19/2003 3:06:32 PM PDT by Justa
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To: Pokey78
The American military is encouraging self-rule by having them police their own areas. It is insane the way this article tries to spin this as Americans encouraging Civil War.

I think it is brilliant in that it teaches the Iraqis that the other Arab states preffered to keep them tortured and oppressed, rather than allow freedom. It also shows the difference between Basra in the south, where the British are trying to disarm the populace, and the North, where the Americans are trying to trust the populace with self-rule and self-defense.

5 posted on 04/19/2003 3:07:07 PM PDT by marktwain
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To: Pokey78
US officials in Baghdad acknowledge privately that Sunni fighters, financed from Saudi Arabia, are in Iraq and have been attacking Shia areas.

I am hopeful that Bush will be able to read the riot act to the house of Saud in the same way he has to Junior Assad. Not wildly optimistic, but hopeful.

6 posted on 04/19/2003 3:07:15 PM PDT by COBOL2Java (this tag line intentionally left blank)
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To: Pokey78
"The Americans, however, do not appear to be doing anything about this emerging civil war"

Wow !, this reporter must have scooped everyone on this "emerging civil war"

7 posted on 04/19/2003 3:09:32 PM PDT by BlackBirdII
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To: American Soldier
re: #3

Couldn't agree with you more, there.
8 posted on 04/19/2003 3:12:30 PM PDT by JakeWyld
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To: Pokey78
Aren't these the same people who demand that Americans leave Iraq? They can't have it both ways....it's time they start cleaning up their own messes.
9 posted on 04/19/2003 3:20:37 PM PDT by Arpege92
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To: Pokey78
To the punk mentioned at the beginning... "answer my questions or I will saddam you."
10 posted on 04/19/2003 3:30:11 PM PDT by OperationFreedom ( www.OperationFreedom.com)
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To: Pokey78
"semi-automatic rifles had been fired into the crowd."

You would think with all those AK-47s lying around, they could find one or two that would be fully automatic, wouldn't you?
11 posted on 04/19/2003 3:43:24 PM PDT by TheAngryClam (Victory over Iraq - God go with our soldiers.)
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To: Pokey78; Dog Gone; Grampa Dave; blam; Sabertooth; NormsRevenge; Gritty; SierraWasp; Carry_Okie; ...
Very interesting, why don't we see reports of this in our media?
12 posted on 04/19/2003 3:49:53 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (Where is Saddam? and where is Tom Daschle?)
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To: *war_list
To the list!
13 posted on 04/19/2003 3:50:36 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (Where is Saddam? and where is Tom Daschle?)
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To: BlackBirdII
How, exactly, is it a civil war when foreign soliders kill locals?

14 posted on 04/19/2003 10:49:21 PM PDT by HarryCaul
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To: Arpege92
No doubt there are some hypocrites in the protestors demanding the US leave immediately. They were the same people bi**hing that we didn't help after the last Gulf War and left them on their own, but I also believe that some of the Fedayeen, Republican Guard, "defenders" of Baghdad, etc. that melted away are the majority of those protesting the presence of US forces so they can attempt another takeover. I do think some order should be brought to that area.
15 posted on 04/20/2003 2:38:10 AM PDT by bushfamfan
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To: TheAngryClam
""semi-automatic rifles had been fired into the crowd."

Los Angeles?

16 posted on 04/20/2003 2:43:41 AM PDT by Happy2BMe (LIBERTY has arrived in Iraq - Now we can concentrate on HOLLYWEED!)
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To: HarryCaul
How, exactly, is it a civil war when foreign soliders kill locals?


I'm still trying to figure that one out too. Maybe because it makes the liberation of Iraq appear to be a failure of the US initiative?
17 posted on 04/20/2003 6:39:14 AM PDT by Tunehead54 (Support Our Troops!)
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To: American Soldier
Exactly! This is really what we want them to do. They will gain the pride of taking care of their own problems.
18 posted on 04/21/2003 10:47:45 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Even if the government took all your earnings, you wouldn’t be, in its eyes, a slave.)
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To: American Soldier
Exactly! This is really what we want them to do. They will P.S. I hope the U.S. is letting the local autorities have the weapons they need.
19 posted on 04/21/2003 10:48:28 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Even if the government took all your earnings, you wouldn’t be, in its eyes, a slave.)
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To: BlackBirdII
Wow !, this reporter must have scooped everyone on this "emerging civil war"

I think "violent civil unrest" is a more accurate term. It's hard to imagine an Iraq in the near future without gang warfare. But of course the Bush Bashers will try to portray this as a great failing.

20 posted on 04/21/2003 10:54:58 AM PDT by js1138
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