Expulsion of the Serbs from Bosnia and Herzegovina 1992-1995

Hans Koschnik ^ | August 1999

[Karadjordje]

Have you read the documents just provided by http://www.balkan-archive.org.yu? (remark: non islamic side)

Karadjordje

[Poohbah]

Balkans War Crime Defenses:

1. It's not my dog.
2. It didn't bite you.
3. Besides, you kicked it first.

(Return to #1 and repeat endlessly.)

[Karadjordje]

Have you tried to discuss with a Fundamentalist?

Mujahedeensvet wrote here (<- click) ) - with a gun in his hand ;) -
"[...] we would have been better off having the Croats and Muslims conquer the whole thing [Bosnia]."

Fascist Islamist Dreams of Bosnia (Bosnian Muslim Popaganda Video)

Karadjordje

[Poohbah]

Have you tried to discuss with a Fundamentalist?

Only the Serbian Fundamentalists here on FR.

[bob808]

Poohbah's Balkans posts contributions:

1. Make the same uninformed comment
2. Consider myself clever
3. Repeat ad nauseum

(Return to #1 and repeat endlessly.)

[Poohbah]

Kindly explain where my analysis is faulty.

[homeagain balkansvet]

Do you have problems with this official documents?

Yes. How many times do I have to say "Serb propaganda" before it sinks in?

Every neutral document from the international community and the US Government place the blame squarely where it belongs, on the heads of Milosevic, Karadzic, Seselj and Mladic and their ganymedes in the Serb armies in their various guises (Bosnian Serb Army/VRS, Jugoslavian National Army, Serb paramilitaries like Arkan's Tigers, et al).

[homeagain balkansvet]

Have you tried to discuss with a Fundamentalist?

Yes. All the time. Fundamentalists named Karadjordje, Joan, Destro, et al.

[wardaddy]

Ok ...pistols at dawn for you two.

plenty of blood on the hands for all in this argument in my view.

I guess the fact that I was a bit suspect about helping Muslims kill Christians and the fact that I don't find the Muslims guiltless...nor the Serbs or Croats either makes me a Serbian Fundie.

[Karadjordje]

homeagain balkansvet wrote:
"Yes. How many times do I have to say "Serb propaganda" before it sinks in?

Every neutral document from the international community and the US Government place the blame squarely where it belongs, ..."

Oooohh,aaah ALL EVIL SERBIAN Propaganda ... because US Government (killed over 2,000 Yugoslav civlians) isn't biased and isn't interested in such things (only when this Government of truthfulness says for examlple that 500,000 Albanians died in Kosovo):

Uproar over Film "Storm over Krajina" (Croatian article from aimpress) (<- click)

Uproar by Croats - why such a reaction Muja?

Karadjordje

[homeagain balkansvet]

I guess the fact that I was a bit suspect about helping Muslims kill Christians and the fact that I don't find the Muslims guiltless...nor the Serbs or Croats either makes me a Serbian Fundie. >>

Muslims weren't 'guiltless,' but the blather engendered by my opponent is designed to do everything he can to tear attention away from the massacre at Srebrenica, which made our intervention in Bosnia necessary (and which cost me a good solid three years of my life to help clean up).

Just ONCE I'd like to hear one of these guys say, "Yeah, we did it, we shouldna, whachagonnado?" That would be almost honest. Instead I get pictures of heads in buckets and (in djeordjie's case) endlessly recycled World War Two war pix.

[Karadjordje]

homeagain balkansvet wrote:
"Yes. All the time. Fundamentalists named Karadjordje, Joan, Destro, et al."

Nice hot pants on the photo, where did I get them?

From Osama Bin Laden?

Karadjordje

[Karadjordje]

homeagain balkansvet wrote:
"Muslims weren't 'guiltless,' but the blather engendered by my opponent is designed to do everything he can to tear attention away from the massacre at Srebrenica, which made our intervention in Bosnia necessary (and which cost me a good solid three years of my life to help clean up)."

What do you know from former multiethnic Yugolsalvia - before the war began, during the war -- nothing, just nothing, just ridiculous.

Pozdrav
Karadjordje

[homeagain balkansvet]

Oooohh,aaah ALL EVIL SERBIAN Propaganda ... because US Government (killed over 2,000 Yugoslav civlians) isn't biased and isn't interested in such things (only when this Government of truthfulness says for examlple that 500,000 Albanians died in Kosovo):

Riiight. There aren't 500,000 Albanians IN Kosovo. The US Gov't never made such a claim. The true number is on the order of 5,000 at the hands of the Serb paramilitaries. Not much, you might think, but that's 1% of the Albanian population: equivalent of about, oh, 2.85 million here in the States.

[PiP PiP Cherrio]

kara- do not forget the muslim-run SILO concentration camp the Muslims denied existed.

[Karadjordje]

homeagain balkansvet wrote:
"Riiight. There aren't 500,000 Albanians IN Kosovo. The US Gov't never made such a claim. The true number is on the order of 5,000 at the hands of the Serb paramilitaries. Not much, you might think, but that's 1% of the Albanian population: equivalent of about, oh, 2.85 million here in the States."

"Massacres or holocaust?

At the time the news that Western leaders claimed to have from Kosovo was indeed truly terrifying. As a senior administration official explained to The New York Times (4 April), 'There may be 50 Srebrenicas' (or in other words 350,000 dead). On ABC television news (18 April) another official claimed that, 'Tens of thousands of young males may have been executed in Kosovo.' The next day the State Department announced that 500,000 Albanian Kosovars 'are missing and feared dead.'

These figures were promptly taken up by French television. Jean-Pierre Pernaut, for instance, mentioned '100,000 to 500,000 people who are thought to have been killed, but that is in the conditional' (TF1, 20 April). The following evening the same channel announced, 'According to Nato, 100,000 to 500,000 men are reported missing. It is feared that they have been executed by the Serbs ... Of course, we have yet to prove this accusation.' Radio was keen to join in as well. On France Inter the journalist accredited to Nato enthusiastically passed on reports according to which 'hundreds of boys are being used as live blood banks, thousands of others are digging graves or trenches and the women are being systematically raped' (20 April, 7 pm news).

In the articles penned by French intellectuals on the Nato side the indicative mood soon replaced the conditional. Antoine Garapon, a magistrate, secretary general of the Institute of Advanced Legal Studies, president of the Kosovo committee and member of the editorial staff of Esprit, wrote, 'We cannot put the thousand or so Serb victims on the same footing as the hundreds of thousands of Kosovars who have been massacred' (Télérama, 23 June). He was already one step behind the official line. Once the war had been won, Western estimates of Albanian dead dropped from six to five figure numbers. On 17 June the Foreign Office in London stated that '10,000 people had been killed in more than 100 massacres'. On 25 June Clinton confirmed the figure of 10,000 Kosovars killed by the Serbs (The Nation, 8 November). On 2 August, following his appointment as Special Representative of the United Nations Secretary General, Bernard Kouchner spoke of 11,000 Kosovars discovered in mass graves but the International Criminal Tribunal for former Yugoslavia (ICTY) in The Hague refuted the statement the same day. Even Le Monde diplomatique unwisely claimed in its August leader that 'half of the feared 10,000 victims have been exhumed.'"

Le Monde diplomatique, LESSONS OF WAR - Media and disinformation, March 2000

Karadjordje

[PiP PiP Cherrio]

You need to learn history and the meaning of Fundamentalism. Serb and Fundamentalism does not match as Terrorist and KLA, with Poohbah blessings does.

[homeagain balkansvet]

What do you know from former multiethnic Yugolsalvia - before the war began, during the war -- nothing, just nothing, just ridiculous.>>

Well, it wasn't my country. But it became my problem, willy nilly, when your heroes of Serbia stood outside a barn and massacred a thousand people at close range at Kravica and massacred 7000 other people for giggles.

Frankly, I don't give a rat's patootie about the former Yugoslavia; it was a bastard state cobbled together at gunpoint by a genocidal maniac who thought that he could paper over War Two with a plaster mixed in the blood of murdered 'enemies of the state.' In an ideal world Tito would have stepped on a land mine and the pieces of Yugoslavia should have been allowed to go their own ways in 1945. But that's not the world we inherited.

Frankly I would have been perfectly happy to spend the last four years back here in the States with my wife and family and remaining blissfully unaware of anything about that two bit hell hole called Yugoslavia. BUT NOOOOOOO. You guys had to go berzerk and kill prisoners for no reason other than blood lust and hate, requiring a lot of people like ME to come and babysit your worthless butts.

You people, Serbs in particular, brought it on yourselves, both through your collaboration with the Nazis Milosevic and Karadzic, through your overeagerness to believe lies about people whose houses you wanted to rob in Bosnia and Croatia, but much deeper in time through your passive cooperation with the monster Tito. I have no sympathy for you in the least. (I don't have much more sympathy for Croatia, either. Bosnian Muslims I like at least because they REALIZE that they only exist because we were there, and had the courtesy to thank us.)

[homeagain balkansvet]

What do you know from former multiethnic Yugolsalvia - before the war began, during the war -- nothing, just nothing, just ridiculous.>>

Well, it wasn't my country. But it became my problem, willy nilly, when your heroes of Serbia stood outside a barn and massacred a thousand people at close range at Kravica and massacred 7000 other people for giggles.

Frankly, I don't give a rat's patootie about the former Yugoslavia; it was a bastard state cobbled together at gunpoint by a genocidal maniac who thought that he could paper over War Two with a plaster mixed in the blood of murdered 'enemies of the state.' In an ideal world Tito would have stepped on a land mine and the pieces of Yugoslavia should have been allowed to go their own ways in 1945. But that's not the world we inherited.

Frankly I would have been perfectly happy to spend the last four years back here in the States with my wife and family and remaining blissfully unaware of anything about that two bit hell hole called Yugoslavia. BUT NOOOOOOO. You guys had to go berzerk and kill prisoners for no reason other than blood lust and hate, requiring a lot of people like ME to come and babysit your worthless butts.

You people, Serbs in particular, brought it on yourselves, both through your collaboration with the Nazis Milosevic and Karadzic, through your overeagerness to believe lies about people whose houses you wanted to rob in Bosnia and Croatia, but much deeper in time through your passive cooperation with the monster Tito. I have no sympathy for you in the least. (I don't have much more sympathy for Croatia, either. Bosnian Muslims I like at least because they REALIZE that they only exist because we were there, and had the courtesy to thank us.)