Expulsion of the Serbs from Bosnia and Herzegovina 1992-1995

Hans Koschnik ^ | August 1999

[Karadjordje]

Place: Velika Kladuska, Bosnia
Ethnicity	1991 (1)	1998 (2)
Bosnian Serbs	2,266	35
Bosnian Muslims	48,408	50,544
Bosnian Croats	740	190
other ethnic groups	-	-
Total	52,908	50,769
(1) Census 1991, according to UNHCR Population Figures from Febraury 14, 1997. (2) According to UNHCR Population Figures from Febraury 14, 1997. http://www.bbs.bund.de/velika/bevoelkerung.htm

Place: Domaljevac Samac, Bosnia
Ethnicity	1991 (1)	1999 (2)
Bosnian Serbs	13,628	278
Bosnian Muslims	2,223	140
Bosnian Croats	14,731	6,540
other ethnic groups	2,368	60
Total	32,950	7,018
(1) Census 1991, according to UNHCR Population Figures from February 14, 1997. (2) According to UNHCR Population Figures from Febraury 14, 1997. http://www.bbs.bund.de/domaljevac_samac/bevoelkerung.htm

Place: Odzak, Bosnia
Ethnicity	1991 (1)	1998 (2)
Bosnian Serbs	6,084	3
Bosnian Muslims	6,229	5,220
Bosnian Croats	16,229	11,121
other ethnic groups	1,740	-
Total	30,282	16,344
(1) Census 1991. (2) Figures provided by the local government of ODZAK, July 1998; Republik Österreich - BKA IV/12, Koordinationsbüro Sarajevo, Stand 1996. http://www.bbs.bund.de/odzak/bevoelkerung.htm

Place: Orasje, Bosnia
Ethnicity	1991 (1)	1999 (2)
Bosnian Serbs	4,235	150
Bosnian Muslims	1,893	2,245
Bosnian Croats	21,308	22,619
other ethnic groups	931	-
Total	28,367	25,014
(1) Census 1991. (2) Figures provided by the local government of ORASJE, February 1999. http://www.bbs.bund.de/orasje/bevoelkerung.htm

Place: Banovici, Bosnia
Ethnicity	1991 (1)	1997 (2)
Bosnian Serbs	4,520	409
Bosnian Muslims	19,144	29,391
Bosnian Croats	531	566
other ethnic groups	2,393	212
Total	26,588	30,578
(1) Census 1991. (2) Figures provided by the local government of BANOVICI, November 1997. http://www.bbs.bund.de/banovici/bevoelkerung.htm

Place: Kalesija, Bosnia
Ethnicity	1991 (1)	1999 (2)
Bosnian Serbs	7,669	10
Bosnian Muslims	33,226	35,342
Bosnian Croats	33	2
other ethnic groups	867	-
Total	41,795	35,354
(1) Census 1991. (2) Figures provided by the local government of KALESIJA, Juli 1999. http://www.bbs.bund.de/kalesija/bevoelkerung.htm

Place: Kladanj, Bosnia
Ethnicity	1991 (1)	1997 (2)
Bosnian Serbs	3,846	179
Bosnian Muslims	11,702	22,722
Bosnian Croats	12	-
other ethnic groups	480	-
Total	16,040	22,934
(1) Census 1991. (2) Figures provided by the local government; ECMM, Background Report KLADANJ 1997. http://www.bbs.bund.de/kladanj/bevoelkerung.htm

Place: Lukavac, Bosnia
Ethnicity	1991 (1)	1998 (2)
Bosnian Serbs	12,281	296
Bosnian Muslims	37,866	47,601
Bosnian Croats	2,132	1,504
other ethnic groups	3,531	234
Total	56,830	49,635
(1) Census 1991. (2) UNHCR / RIC, Municipality Information Fact Sheet LUKAVAC, July 1998. http://www.bbs.bund.de/lukavac/bevoelkerung.htm

Place: Srebrenik, Bosnia
Ethnicity	1991 (1)	1998 (2)
Bosnian Serbs	5,326	348
Bosnian Muslims	30,595	44,734
Bosnian Croats	2,761	2,508
other ethnic groups	2,200	348
Total	40,882	47,938
(1) RIC, MIFS 1998. (2) TUZLA-PODRINJE KANTON, Ministerium für Arbeit, Soziales und Flüchtlinge, März 1998. http://www.bbs.bund.de/srebrenik/bevoelkerung.htm

Place: Zivinice, Bosnia
Ethnicity	1991 (1)	1997 (2)
Bosnian Serbs	3,350	606
Bosnian Muslims	44,580	65,202
Bosnian Croats	3,870	3,395
other ethnic groups	2,800	348
Total	54,600	69,551
(1) Census 1991 (2) SFOR, Population Data, October 1997 und DRC, Repatriation Project Information on the Municipality of ZIVINICE, June 1997. http://www.bbs.bund.de/zivinice/bevoelkerung.htm

Place: Breza, Bosnia
Ethnicity	1991 (1)	1998 (2)
Bosnian Serbs	2,122	243
Bosnian Muslims	13,079	13,646
Bosnian Croats	851	521
other ethnic groups	1,265	163
Total	17,317	14,573
(1) Census 1991. (2) UNHCR SARAJEVO: Assessment Report Federation BREZA, June 1998. http://www.bbs.bund.de/breza/bevoelkerung.htm

Place: Kakanj, Bosnia
Ethnicity	1991 (1)	1998 (2)
Bosnian Serbs	4,915	500
Bosnian Muslims	30,450	35,000
Bosnian Croats	16,645	4,500
other ethnic groups	3,850	250
Total	55,850	45,868
(1) Census 1991. (2) OHR, 01,06,1998; Return Plan; Zenicko-Dobojski Kanton, January 1998. http://www.bbs.bund.de/kakanj_update/bevoelkerung.htm

Place: Maglaj, Bosnia
Ethnicity	1991 (1)	1998 (2)
Bosnian Serbs	13,298	164
Bosnian Muslims	19,637	21,238
Bosnian Croats	8,366	6,500
other ethnic groups	1,993	-
Total	43,294	28,000
(1) Census 1991. (2) Figures provided by the local government of MAGLAJ, July 1998; Republik Österreich - BKA IV/12, Koordinationsbüro Sarajevo, Stand 1996. http://www.bbs.bund.de/maglaj/bevoelkerung.htm

Place: Olovo, Bosnia
Ethnicity	1991 (1)	1997 (2)
Bosnian Serbs	3,193	45
Bosnian Muslims	12,699	14,555
Bosnian Croats	642	550
other ethnic groups	422	164
Total	16,956	15,150
(1) Census 1991. (2) UNHCR/RIC, Repatriation Information Report, March 1997. http://www.bbs.bund.de/olovo/bevoelkerung.htm

Place: Vares, Bosnia
Ethnicity	1991 (1)	1997 (2)
Bosnian Serbs	3,630	56
Bosnian Muslims	6,721	9,700
Bosnian Croats	8,982	3,500
other ethnic groups	2,781	37
Total	22,114	13,293
(1) Census 1991 (2) Figures provided by the local government, September 1997. http://www.bbs.bund.de/vares/bevoelkerung.htm

Place: Visoko, Bosnia
Ethnicity	1991 (1)	1998 (2)
Bosnian Serbs	7,471	700
Bosnian Muslims	34,373	44,277
Bosnian Croats	1,872	500
other ethnic groups	2,444	2,000
Total	46,160	47,477
(1) Census 1991 (2) UNHCR Updated Assessment Report, June 1998. http://www.bbs.bund.de/visoko/bevoelkerung.htm

Place: Zavidovici, Bosnia
Ethnicity	1991 (1)	1997 (2)
Bosnian Serbs	11,640	618
Bosnian Muslims	34,198	35,073
Bosnian Croats	7,576	1,013
other ethnic groups	3,750	200
Total	57,164	36,904
(1) Census 1991. (2) Figures provided by the local government of ZAVIDOVICI, November 1997. http://www.bbs.bund.de/zavidovici/bevoelkerung.htm

Place: Zenica, Bosnia
Ethnicity	1991 (1)	1997 (2)
Bosnian Serbs	22,552	3,528
Bosnian Muslims	80,281	104,575
Bosnian Croats	22,626	10,405
other ethnic groups	19,900	1,528
Total	145,359	120,036
(1) Census 1991. (2) Figures provided by the local government of ZENICA, September 1997. http://www.bbs.bund.de/zenica/bevoelkerung.htm

Place: Foca (FBuH), Bosnia
Ethnicity	1991 (1)	1998 (2)
Bosnian Serbs	1,315	7
Bosnian Muslims	4,270	2,479
Bosnian Croats	-	-
other ethnic groups	-	-
Total	5,585	2,486
(1) Census 1991. (2) Figures provided by the local government, December 1998. http://www.bbs.bund.de/foca_fbuh/bevoelkerung.htm

Place: Praca, Bosnia
Ethnicity	1991 (1)	1998 (2)
Bosnian Serbs	1,062	-
Bosnian Muslims	2,160	1,284
Bosnian Croats	2	-
other ethnic groups	-	-
Total	3,224	1,284
(1) Census 1991. (2) Figures provided by the local government of PRACA, October 1998. http://www.bbs.bund.de/praca/bevoelkerung.htm

Place: Bugojno, Bosnia
Ethnicity	1991 (1)	1997 (2)
Bosnian Serbs	8,854	400
Bosnian Muslims	19,724	28,474
Bosnian Croats	15,963	2,200
other ethnic groups	2,302	-
Total	46,843	31,074
(1) Census 1991. (2) Figures provided by the local government of BUGOJNO, November 1997. http://www.bbs.bund.de/bugonjo/bevoelkerung.htm

Place: Donji Vakuf, Bosnia
Ethnicity	1991 (1)	1999 (2)
Bosnian Serbs	9,533	47
Bosnian Muslims	13,509	12,740
Bosnian Croats	682	66
other ethnic groups	820	66
Total	24,544	12,853
(1) Census 1991. (2) Figures provided by the local government of DONJI VAKUF, March 1999. http://www.bbs.bund.de/donjvakuf_update/kap02.htm

Place: Novi Travnik, Bosnia
Ethnicity	1991 (1)	1997 (2)
Bosnian Serbs	4,097	879
Bosnian Muslims	11,649	12,469
Bosnian Croats	12,127	16,907
other ethnic groups	2,829	29
Total	30,702	30,284
(1) Census 1991. (2) ECMM, Background Report NOVI TRAVNIK, 1997. http://www.bbs.bund.de/novi_travnik/bevoelkerung.htm

Place: Travnik, Bosnia
Ethnicity	1991 (1)	1997 (2)
Bosnian Serbs	7,777	539
Bosnian Muslims	31,813	48,861
Bosnian Croats	26,118	9,144
other ethnic groups	5,039	823
Total	70,747	59,367
(1) Census 1991. (2) Figures provided by the local Croatian-Muslim government of NOVA BILA. http://www.bbs.bund.de/travnik/bevoelkerung.htm

Place: Caplina, Bosnia
Ethnicity	1991 (1)	1997 (2)
Bosnian Serbs	3,793	596
Bosnian Muslims	7,553	596
Bosnian Croats	15,001	28,108
other ethnic groups
Total	27,882	29,300
(1) Census 1991. (2) UNHCR MOSTAR, CAPLJINA update, October 1997. http://www.bbs.bund.de/caplina_update/bevoelkerung.htm

Place: Kalesija, Bosnia
Ethnicity	1991 (1)	1999 (2)
Bosnian Serbs	7,669	10
Bosnian Muslims	33,226	35,342
Bosnian Croats	33	2
other ethnic groups	867	-
Total	41,795	35,354
(1) Census 1991. (2) Figures provided by the local government of KALESIJA, July 1999. http://www.bbs.bund.de/kalesija/bevoelkerung.htm

Place: Mostar, Bosnia
Ethnicity	1991 (1)	1997 (2)
Bosnian Serbs	9,500	1,992
Bosnian Muslims	10,266	7,203
Bosnian Croats	33,500	47,255
other ethnic groups	8,175	793
Total	61,441	57,243
(1) Census 1991. (2) UNHCR, August 31, 1997. http://www.bbs.bund.de/mostar/bevoelkerung.htm

Place: Mostar Sjever, Bosnia
Ethnicity	1991 (1)	1999 (2)
Bosnian Serbs	5,041	20
Bosnian Muslims	6,358	10,897
Bosnian Croats	2,248	26
other ethnic groups	460	2
Total	14,107	10,945
(1) Repatriation Information Center, Municipality Information Fact Sheet (MIFS): MOSTAR-NORTH, Stand Oktober 1998. (2) Figures provided by the local government, May 1999. http://www.bbs.bund.de/mostar_sjever/bevoelkerung.htm

Place: Ravno, Bosnia
Ethnicity	1991 (1)	1999 (2)
Bosnian Serbs	621	-
Bosnian Muslims	32	8
Bosnian Croats	2,274	1,256
other ethnic groups	30	-
Total	2,957	1,264
(1) Census 1991. (2) Figures provided by the local government, Juni 1999. http://www.bbs.bund.de/ravno_update/bevoelkerung.htm

Place: Stolac, Bosnia
Ethnicity	1991 (1)	1998 (2)
Bosnian Serbs	3,900	120
Bosnian Muslims	7,500	900
Bosnian Croats	6,400	11,000
other ethnic groups	500	30
Total	18,300	12,050
(1) Figures provided by the local government of STOLAC. (2) Figures provided by the local government of STOLAC, July 1998; IMG. http://www.bbs.bund.de/stolac_update/bevoelkerung.htm

Place: Centar Sarajevo, Bosnia
Ethnicity	1991 (1)	1997 (2)
Bosnian Serbs	16,622	6,325
Bosnian Muslims	39,685	57,933
Bosnian Croats	5,411	4,922
other ethnic groups	17,287	2,044
Total	79,005	71,224
(1) Census 1991. (2) Figures provided by the local government of SARAJEVO, April 1997. http://www.bbs.bund.de/centar/bevoelkerung.htm

Place: Hadzici, Bosnia
Ethnicity	1991 (1)	1997 (2)
Bosnian Serbs	6,391	650
Bosnian Muslims	15,399	18,530
Bosnian Croats	743	450
other ethnic groups	1,662	370
Total	24,195	20,000
(1) Census 1991. (2) Figures provided by the mayor of HADZICI, July 1997. http://www.bbs.bund.de/hadzici/bevoelkerung.htm

Place: Ilidza, Bosnia
Ethnicity	1991 (1)	1997 (2)
Bosnian Serbs	25,061	3,394
Bosnian Muslims	28,973	33,458
Bosnian Croats	6,914	2,856
other ethnic groups	6,490	-
Total	67,438	39,708
(1) Census 1991. (2) Figures provided by the local government, July 1997. http://www.bbs.bund.de/ilidza/bevoelkerung.htm

Place: Ilijas, Bosnia
Ethnicity	1991 (1)	1998 (2)
Bosnian Serbs	11,325	425
Bosnian Muslims	10,585	12,372
Bosnian Croats	1,736	480
other ethnic groups	1,538	120
Total	25,184	13,397
(1) Census 1991. (2) Figures provided by the local government of ILIJAS, April 1998. http://www.bbs.bund.de/ilijas/bevoelkerung.htm

Place: Novi Grad, Bosnia
Ethnicity	1991 (1)	1997 (2)
Bosnian Serbs	37,736	3,220
Bosnian Muslims	69,294	80,334
Bosnian Croats	8,883	3,898
other ethnic groups	20,380	3,447
Total	136,293	90,899
(1) Census 1991. (2) Figures provided by the local government of Novi Grad, 1997. http://www.bbs.bund.de/novi/bevoelkerung.htm

Place: Stari Grad, Bosnia
Ethnicity	1991 (1)	1997 (2)
Bosnian Serbs	5,178	1,412
Bosnian Muslims	39,498	37,524
Bosnian Croats	1,315	3,262
other ethnic groups	4,753	764
Total	50,744	42,962
(1) Census 1991. (2) Figures provided by the local government of SARAJEVO, April 1997. http://www.bbs.bund.de/stari/bevoelkerung.htm

Place: Vogosca, Bosnia
Ethnicity	1991 (1)	1997 (2)
Bosnian Serbs	8,843	467
Bosnian Muslims	12,549	15,929
Bosnian Croats	1,074	293
other ethnic groups	2,241	70
Total	24,707	16,759
(1) Census 1991. (2) Figures provided by the local government, August 1997. http://www.bbs.bund.de/vogosca/bevoelkerung.htm

Place: Bosansko Grahovo, Bosnia
Ethnicity	1991 (1)	1998 (2)
Bosnian Serbs	7888	150
Bosnian Muslims	12	0
Bosnian Croats	226	220
other ethnic groups	185	0
Total	8311	370
(1) Census 1991. (2) Figures provided by the local government, 1998. http://www.bbs.bund.de/bosansko/index-bosansko.htm

Place: Drvar (FBuH) & Drvar (RS), Bosnia
Ethnicity	1991 (1)	1998 (2)
Bosnian Serbs	16,613	2,100
Bosnian Muslims	33	10
Bosnian Croats	34	8,000
other ethnic groups	399	43
Total	17,079	10,100
(1) Census 1991. (2) Figures provided by Special Representative (OHR) on DRVAR and by the UNHCR, Januar 1999. http://www.bbs.bund.de/drvar/bevoelkerung.htm

Place: Glamoc, Bosnia
Ethnicity	1991 (1)	1998 (2)
Bosnian Serbs	9,951	75
Bosnian Muslims	2,257	680
Bosnian Croats	184	3,501
other ethnic groups	201	-
Total	12,593	4,256
(1) Census 1991. (2) Figures provided by the local government of GLAMOC, Oktober 1998. http://www.bbs.bund.de/glamoc/bevoelkerung.htm

Place: Kupres, Bosnia
Ethnicity	1991 (1)	1996 (2)
Bosnian Serbs	4,905	0
Bosnian Muslims	769	250
Bosnian Croats	3,848	2,150
other ethnic groups	96	4
Total	9,618	2,500
(1) Census 1991. (2) OHR, 1996. http://www.bbs.bund.de/kupres/bevoelkerung.htm

Place: Livno, Bosnia
Ethnicity	1991 (1)	1998 (2)
Bosnian Serbs	3,782	200
Bosnian Muslims	5,927	3,200
Bosnian Croats	28,456	28,456
other ethnic groups	1,361	0
Total	39,526	39,400
(1) Census 1991. (2) Figures provided by the local government of LIVNO, Oktober 1998. http://www.bbs.bund.de/livno/bevoelkerung.htm

Place: Tomislavgrad, Bosnia
Ethnicity	1991 (1)	1997 (2)
Bosnian Serbs	576	0
Bosnian Muslims	3,148	2,500
Bosnian Croats	25,976	24,165
other ethnic groups	309	833
Total	30,009	27,498
(1) Census 1991. (2) Figures provided by the local government of TOMISLAVGRAD, Dezember 1997. http://www.bbs.bund.de/tomislavgrad/bevoelkerung.htm

Place: Bosanska Krupa, Bosnia
Ethnicity	1991 (1)	1998 (2)
Bosnian Serbs	13,129	75
Bosnian Muslims	22,281	23,673
Bosnian Croats	116	41
other ethnic groups	1,064	567
Total	36,609	24,356
(1) Census 1991. (2) Figures provided by the local government. http://www.bbs.bund.de/krupa/bevoelkerung.htm

Hans Koschnik, Beauftragter der Deutschen Bundesregierung für Flüchtlingsrückkehr, Wiedereingliederung und rückkehrbegleitenden Wiederaufbau in Bosnien und Herzegowina (<- click)

(Homepage of Hans Koschnik, commissary of the German government for the return of the refugees in Bosnia)

Karadjordje

[Karadjordje]

Have you read the documents just provided by http://www.balkan-archive.org.yu? (remark: non islamic side)

Karadjordje

[Poohbah]

Balkans War Crime Defenses:

1. It's not my dog.
2. It didn't bite you.
3. Besides, you kicked it first.

(Return to #1 and repeat endlessly.)

[Karadjordje]

Have you tried to discuss with a Fundamentalist?

Mujahedeensvet wrote here (<- click) ) - with a gun in his hand ;) -
"[...] we would have been better off having the Croats and Muslims conquer the whole thing [Bosnia]."

Fascist Islamist Dreams of Bosnia (Bosnian Muslim Popaganda Video)

Karadjordje

[Poohbah]

Have you tried to discuss with a Fundamentalist?

Only the Serbian Fundamentalists here on FR.

[bob808]

Poohbah's Balkans posts contributions:

1. Make the same uninformed comment
2. Consider myself clever
3. Repeat ad nauseum

(Return to #1 and repeat endlessly.)

[Poohbah]

Kindly explain where my analysis is faulty.

[homeagain balkansvet]

Do you have problems with this official documents?

Yes. How many times do I have to say "Serb propaganda" before it sinks in?

Every neutral document from the international community and the US Government place the blame squarely where it belongs, on the heads of Milosevic, Karadzic, Seselj and Mladic and their ganymedes in the Serb armies in their various guises (Bosnian Serb Army/VRS, Jugoslavian National Army, Serb paramilitaries like Arkan's Tigers, et al).

[homeagain balkansvet]

Have you tried to discuss with a Fundamentalist?

Yes. All the time. Fundamentalists named Karadjordje, Joan, Destro, et al.

[wardaddy]

Ok ...pistols at dawn for you two.

plenty of blood on the hands for all in this argument in my view.

I guess the fact that I was a bit suspect about helping Muslims kill Christians and the fact that I don't find the Muslims guiltless...nor the Serbs or Croats either makes me a Serbian Fundie.

[Karadjordje]

homeagain balkansvet wrote:
"Yes. How many times do I have to say "Serb propaganda" before it sinks in?

Every neutral document from the international community and the US Government place the blame squarely where it belongs, ..."

Oooohh,aaah ALL EVIL SERBIAN Propaganda ... because US Government (killed over 2,000 Yugoslav civlians) isn't biased and isn't interested in such things (only when this Government of truthfulness says for examlple that 500,000 Albanians died in Kosovo):

Uproar over Film "Storm over Krajina" (Croatian article from aimpress) (<- click)

Uproar by Croats - why such a reaction Muja?

Karadjordje

[homeagain balkansvet]

I guess the fact that I was a bit suspect about helping Muslims kill Christians and the fact that I don't find the Muslims guiltless...nor the Serbs or Croats either makes me a Serbian Fundie. >>

Muslims weren't 'guiltless,' but the blather engendered by my opponent is designed to do everything he can to tear attention away from the massacre at Srebrenica, which made our intervention in Bosnia necessary (and which cost me a good solid three years of my life to help clean up).

Just ONCE I'd like to hear one of these guys say, "Yeah, we did it, we shouldna, whachagonnado?" That would be almost honest. Instead I get pictures of heads in buckets and (in djeordjie's case) endlessly recycled World War Two war pix.

[Karadjordje]

homeagain balkansvet wrote:
"Yes. All the time. Fundamentalists named Karadjordje, Joan, Destro, et al."

Nice hot pants on the photo, where did I get them?

From Osama Bin Laden?

Karadjordje

[Karadjordje]

homeagain balkansvet wrote:
"Muslims weren't 'guiltless,' but the blather engendered by my opponent is designed to do everything he can to tear attention away from the massacre at Srebrenica, which made our intervention in Bosnia necessary (and which cost me a good solid three years of my life to help clean up)."

What do you know from former multiethnic Yugolsalvia - before the war began, during the war -- nothing, just nothing, just ridiculous.

Pozdrav
Karadjordje

[homeagain balkansvet]

Oooohh,aaah ALL EVIL SERBIAN Propaganda ... because US Government (killed over 2,000 Yugoslav civlians) isn't biased and isn't interested in such things (only when this Government of truthfulness says for examlple that 500,000 Albanians died in Kosovo):

Riiight. There aren't 500,000 Albanians IN Kosovo. The US Gov't never made such a claim. The true number is on the order of 5,000 at the hands of the Serb paramilitaries. Not much, you might think, but that's 1% of the Albanian population: equivalent of about, oh, 2.85 million here in the States.

[PiP PiP Cherrio]

kara- do not forget the muslim-run SILO concentration camp the Muslims denied existed.

[Karadjordje]

homeagain balkansvet wrote:
"Riiight. There aren't 500,000 Albanians IN Kosovo. The US Gov't never made such a claim. The true number is on the order of 5,000 at the hands of the Serb paramilitaries. Not much, you might think, but that's 1% of the Albanian population: equivalent of about, oh, 2.85 million here in the States."

"Massacres or holocaust?

At the time the news that Western leaders claimed to have from Kosovo was indeed truly terrifying. As a senior administration official explained to The New York Times (4 April), 'There may be 50 Srebrenicas' (or in other words 350,000 dead). On ABC television news (18 April) another official claimed that, 'Tens of thousands of young males may have been executed in Kosovo.' The next day the State Department announced that 500,000 Albanian Kosovars 'are missing and feared dead.'

These figures were promptly taken up by French television. Jean-Pierre Pernaut, for instance, mentioned '100,000 to 500,000 people who are thought to have been killed, but that is in the conditional' (TF1, 20 April). The following evening the same channel announced, 'According to Nato, 100,000 to 500,000 men are reported missing. It is feared that they have been executed by the Serbs ... Of course, we have yet to prove this accusation.' Radio was keen to join in as well. On France Inter the journalist accredited to Nato enthusiastically passed on reports according to which 'hundreds of boys are being used as live blood banks, thousands of others are digging graves or trenches and the women are being systematically raped' (20 April, 7 pm news).

In the articles penned by French intellectuals on the Nato side the indicative mood soon replaced the conditional. Antoine Garapon, a magistrate, secretary general of the Institute of Advanced Legal Studies, president of the Kosovo committee and member of the editorial staff of Esprit, wrote, 'We cannot put the thousand or so Serb victims on the same footing as the hundreds of thousands of Kosovars who have been massacred' (Télérama, 23 June). He was already one step behind the official line. Once the war had been won, Western estimates of Albanian dead dropped from six to five figure numbers. On 17 June the Foreign Office in London stated that '10,000 people had been killed in more than 100 massacres'. On 25 June Clinton confirmed the figure of 10,000 Kosovars killed by the Serbs (The Nation, 8 November). On 2 August, following his appointment as Special Representative of the United Nations Secretary General, Bernard Kouchner spoke of 11,000 Kosovars discovered in mass graves but the International Criminal Tribunal for former Yugoslavia (ICTY) in The Hague refuted the statement the same day. Even Le Monde diplomatique unwisely claimed in its August leader that 'half of the feared 10,000 victims have been exhumed.'"

Le Monde diplomatique, LESSONS OF WAR - Media and disinformation, March 2000

Karadjordje

[PiP PiP Cherrio]

You need to learn history and the meaning of Fundamentalism. Serb and Fundamentalism does not match as Terrorist and KLA, with Poohbah blessings does.

[homeagain balkansvet]

What do you know from former multiethnic Yugolsalvia - before the war began, during the war -- nothing, just nothing, just ridiculous.>>

Well, it wasn't my country. But it became my problem, willy nilly, when your heroes of Serbia stood outside a barn and massacred a thousand people at close range at Kravica and massacred 7000 other people for giggles.

Frankly, I don't give a rat's patootie about the former Yugoslavia; it was a bastard state cobbled together at gunpoint by a genocidal maniac who thought that he could paper over War Two with a plaster mixed in the blood of murdered 'enemies of the state.' In an ideal world Tito would have stepped on a land mine and the pieces of Yugoslavia should have been allowed to go their own ways in 1945. But that's not the world we inherited.

Frankly I would have been perfectly happy to spend the last four years back here in the States with my wife and family and remaining blissfully unaware of anything about that two bit hell hole called Yugoslavia. BUT NOOOOOOO. You guys had to go berzerk and kill prisoners for no reason other than blood lust and hate, requiring a lot of people like ME to come and babysit your worthless butts.

You people, Serbs in particular, brought it on yourselves, both through your collaboration with the Nazis Milosevic and Karadzic, through your overeagerness to believe lies about people whose houses you wanted to rob in Bosnia and Croatia, but much deeper in time through your passive cooperation with the monster Tito. I have no sympathy for you in the least. (I don't have much more sympathy for Croatia, either. Bosnian Muslims I like at least because they REALIZE that they only exist because we were there, and had the courtesy to thank us.)

[homeagain balkansvet]

What do you know from former multiethnic Yugolsalvia - before the war began, during the war -- nothing, just nothing, just ridiculous.>>

Well, it wasn't my country. But it became my problem, willy nilly, when your heroes of Serbia stood outside a barn and massacred a thousand people at close range at Kravica and massacred 7000 other people for giggles.

Frankly, I don't give a rat's patootie about the former Yugoslavia; it was a bastard state cobbled together at gunpoint by a genocidal maniac who thought that he could paper over War Two with a plaster mixed in the blood of murdered 'enemies of the state.' In an ideal world Tito would have stepped on a land mine and the pieces of Yugoslavia should have been allowed to go their own ways in 1945. But that's not the world we inherited.

Frankly I would have been perfectly happy to spend the last four years back here in the States with my wife and family and remaining blissfully unaware of anything about that two bit hell hole called Yugoslavia. BUT NOOOOOOO. You guys had to go berzerk and kill prisoners for no reason other than blood lust and hate, requiring a lot of people like ME to come and babysit your worthless butts.

You people, Serbs in particular, brought it on yourselves, both through your collaboration with the Nazis Milosevic and Karadzic, through your overeagerness to believe lies about people whose houses you wanted to rob in Bosnia and Croatia, but much deeper in time through your passive cooperation with the monster Tito. I have no sympathy for you in the least. (I don't have much more sympathy for Croatia, either. Bosnian Muslims I like at least because they REALIZE that they only exist because we were there, and had the courtesy to thank us.)