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Russia left out in the cold
Saia Times ^ | 4/20/2003 1:37:25 PM | Pavel Ivanov

Posted on 04/20/2003 11:55:59 AM PDT by Cuttnhorse

This week the Kremlin has started experiencing some serious and most unwelcome consequences of being the "informal" leader of the anti-Iraq war coalition and having convened a "summit of losers" (Russia, France and Germany) in St Petersburg on April 11-12. First, Washington quite clearly hinted that it might no longer consider Russia as a member of the so-called G8 club; then Russia found itself tossed overboard from the now trilateral negotiations on the North Korea nuclear issue to be launched in Beijing on April 23.

The latter, as well-informed sources in Moscow report, was considered by the Russian ruling elite as a painful slap in the face. First of all, Moscow believed that as one of the best foreign buddies of North Korea's Dear Leader Kim Jong-il, Russia could count on an honorable place at the negotiating table if Pyongyang finally agreed to multilateral consultations. Moreover, it was keen on playing a leading role in future wider multilateral negotiations focusing on regional and global security concerns over North Korea's violations of the non-proliferation regime, and involving not just China, Russia and Japan, but probably even Australia and the European Union.

Well, Kim Jong-il finally has changed his stance on the framework for consultations, but Russia is out in the cold. Kim realized that there was no way to force the United States to talk to him tete-a-tete about a non-aggression pact; also, as knowledgeable people in Pyongyang are whispering, he was very much impressed by the success and especially the swiftness of the US military operation in Iraq. So, as a compromise, he decided that "trilateral" is almost the same as "bilateral" and agreed to Beijing's participation. But he completely forgot about his Russian friend, President Vladimir Putin. Diplomatic cunning and real-power calculations easily got the upper hand over the pleasant recollections of travelling by special train on the trans-Siberian railroad through Russia and receiving purebred horses as little friendly souvenirs.

Easily as unpleasant a surprise for Putin is the fact that the White House also changed its position and - instead of insisting on not just China, but also Japan, Russia and South Korea at the table - quickly agreed to hold "multilateral talks", but at this stage only with the participation of China.

Unlike the contemporary "Kremlin dreamers" who sit around waiting for someone to come along and finance their Utopian plans to unite the Korean peninsula by building a trans-Korean railroad connected to the trans-Siberian line and modernization of North Korean industries created with assistance of the former Soviet Union, the Americans are realists and pragmatists.

The Bush administration knows very well that because of its economic, military and political might at present, China is the only important independent political player in the Pacific. China is also the only country in the world that renders real economic assistance to the Pyongyang regime and, besides, has a military treaty with North Korea.

Perhaps, if this new negotiation situation had come about before the Iraq crisis, President George W Bush would have used his clout and influence and wangled an invitation for his friend Vladimir, elevating Russia's status to that of the great Pacific and Asian power it aspires to be. But now, when just two weeks ago Moscow was accusing the US of destabilizing the entire world situation with its Iraq campaign, why bother? The clear signal from Washington and humiliating message to the Russian leadership is that from now on Washington will deal only with real political players, not has-beens or wannabes.

The blow delivered by Beijing to the Kremlin's self-esteem is equally serious. How could a partner, a friend with whom an essential part of the current Russian political leadership was ready to create a new military-political strategic axis, behave like this? According to reliable information from multiple sources in Tokyo and Seoul, in exchange for its help in setting up a dialogue with Pyongyang, China demanded that Russia, Japan and South Korea be removed from the framework of consultations - and Washington quickly and readily accepted. Unbelievably, the present Russian leaders have still not realized that the last thing China traditionally or at this point wants is to see active Russian participation in real decision-making in Asia. Or, for that matter, that China even less wants to see Japan play a larger political role in the region. Surprise, surprise!

Unlike Russia, Japan and South Korea - after some hemming and hawing - have accepted the now-decided framework of the North Korea consultations without great reservations. They do not have Russian-style political ambitions and great-power dreams, but are seriously concerned about settling the nuclear standoff situation on the Korean peninsula by peaceful means and avoiding even the slightest possibility of military confrontation in the Far East.

As for Russia, it seems that Moscow has overplayed its hand, and now it is paying the price.


TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Russia
KEYWORDS: bushdoctrineunfold; china; collateralbenefits; dprk; northkorea; russia; southkorea; warlist
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Excellent article

"Kim realized that there was no way to force the United States to talk to him tete-a-tete about a non-aggression pact; also, as knowledgeable people in Pyongyang are whispering, he was very much impressed by the success and especially the swiftness of the US military operation in Iraq."

1 posted on 04/20/2003 11:55:59 AM PDT by Cuttnhorse
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To: Badabing Badaboom; Mitchell; gcruse; Fred Mertz; oceanview; birdwoman; bonfire
Hot damn, Putin is really taking it in the shorts from Bush now for his treachery, isn't he? Washington is "clearly hinting" that it "might" no longer consider Russia part of the "so-called G8" group and -- wait, there's more! -- Russia may not be invited to North Korean arms talks. Wow! Still, since the Daily Telegraph has reported that Putin was brazenly offering Saddam lists of contract killers he could use to assassinate Western leaders during the run up to our invasion, I guess this is the least Bush could do under the circumstances.
2 posted on 04/20/2003 12:04:27 PM PDT by The Great Satan (Revenge, Terror and Extortion: A Guide for the Perplexed)
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To: Cuttnhorse
The blow delivered by Beijing to the Kremlin's self-esteem is equally serious. I like it when these two are not getting along.
3 posted on 04/20/2003 12:06:38 PM PDT by Cuttnhorse
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To: Cuttnhorse
I should hope that there is more of a price to pay than just what is stated in this article. For example, now that Saddam is gone and we (hopefully) have a friendly regime in Iraq, there is no pressure to help Russia modernize its crummy oil industry.

We have to let the Axis of Weasels know in the strongest terms that there is a price to pay for stabbing the U.S. in the back, especially for the reasons that it was done in this case.

4 posted on 04/20/2003 12:06:44 PM PDT by Batrachian
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To: Cuttnhorse
OOPS

The blow delivered by Beijing to the Kremlin's self-esteem is equally serious.

I like it when these two are not getting along.

5 posted on 04/20/2003 12:07:56 PM PDT by Cuttnhorse
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To: The Great Satan
I read elsewhere Bush might drop Canada from the G8.
I guess backstabbing is backstabbing, whether the knife is Nerf or not.
6 posted on 04/20/2003 12:12:10 PM PDT by gcruse (Saddam's last words. "I can see them. I can see 72.................VIRGILS???!!!?!?!")
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To: gcruse
I read elsewhere Bush might drop Canada from the G8. I guess backstabbing is backstabbing, whether the knife is Nerf or not.
Drop Canada?! I nearly swallowed my gum on that one. Really? That would be so cool.
7 posted on 04/20/2003 12:25:17 PM PDT by Asclepius (to the barricades)
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To: Asclepius
It was in either a Globe & Mail or National Post article. There were no quotes from White House sources, though.
8 posted on 04/20/2003 12:28:02 PM PDT by gcruse (Saddam's last words. "I can see them. I can see 72.................VIRGILS???!!!?!?!")
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To: Asclepius
Kick'um all in the nuts until they agree to kiss our ever lovin' American a$$ forever & ever & ever.

Line up behind Iraq international pussys, lowlifes & backstabbing scumballs.

Goes double for you, Kim Ill(whatta'wad) & your dad, Mentally Ill!

9 posted on 04/20/2003 12:35:22 PM PDT by norraad
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Seems like the right ting to do with Russia and France and Germany!

Let them know we are very unhappy with them!

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10 posted on 04/20/2003 1:01:25 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (Where is Saddam? and where is Tom Daschle?)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Seems like the right thing to do with Russia and France and Germany!
11 posted on 04/20/2003 1:04:27 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (Where is Saddam? and where is Tom Daschle?)
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12 posted on 04/20/2003 1:05:21 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (Where is Saddam? and where is Tom Daschle?)
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To: Cuttnhorse
All I can say is, "Neener!" :-P
13 posted on 04/20/2003 1:43:51 PM PDT by TenthAmendmentChampion (No animals were harmed in the creation of this tagline.)
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To: Asclepius
Spain should get either Russia's or Canada's place.

It will be a suitable reward to Aznar.

Regards, Ivan

14 posted on 04/20/2003 2:00:49 PM PDT by MadIvan
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To: Batrachian; Cuttnhorse
<< .... we (hopefully) have a friendly regime in Iraq .... >>

"Hopefully?"

We ARE the "FRiendly Regime" in Iraq!
15 posted on 04/20/2003 7:25:27 PM PDT by Brian Allen (I have sworn upon the altar of God eternal hostility against every form of tyranny ....)
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To: Brian Allen
For years we've been kicked in the teeth by our so-called allies. Because of this they assumed that there is no price to pay for stabbing us in the back. I almost feel sorry for the poor bastards who have to deal with such a radically different kind of animal as George W! NOT!
16 posted on 04/20/2003 11:12:06 PM PDT by winner3000
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<< For years we've been kicked in the teeth by our so-called allies. Because of this they assumed that there is no price to pay for stabbing us in the back. I almost feel sorry for the poor bastards who have to deal with such a radically different kind of animal as George W! NOT! >>

The general populations of maybe two English-speaking nations on the planet -- and once-great Britain is NOT one of them [Nor barely "English-speaking," come to that!] love America and among the rest supercilious and patronizing starts them off -- and covers only a cople -- nnd the rest of the world's peoples vehemently through hesperophobicly hate US.

But now, to them all, as you have so accurately noted, let it be made clear:

"Every nation, in every region, now has a decision to make.

"Either you are with us, or you are with the terrorists. From this day forward, any nation that continues to harbor or support terrorism will be regarded by the United States as a hostile regime."

Way to go, President Bush!
17 posted on 04/21/2003 12:59:28 AM PDT by Brian Allen (I have sworn upon the altar of God eternal hostility against every form of tyranny ....)
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To: Brian Allen
We're not much of a regime if some Shiite Ayatollah can just fly in from Teheran and set himself up as mayor of Baghdad.

We need a little more of the "McArthur Doctrine" in there.

18 posted on 04/21/2003 1:13:37 AM PDT by Batrachian
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To: Batrachian
<< We need a little more of the "McArthur Doctrine" in there. >>

I believe General MacArthur and the 33 Good Men of his regime arrived on the very next plane! No sign of the emperor yet though -- or of any other mass murderer, come to that]

HehHehHeh .....
19 posted on 04/21/2003 1:38:58 AM PDT by Brian Allen (I have sworn upon the altar of God eternal hostility against every form of tyranny ....)
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To: gcruse
Washington quite clearly hinted that it might no longer consider Russia as a member of the so-called G8 club; then Russia found itself tossed overboard from the now trilateral negotiations on the North Korea nuclear issue...

During President Bush's second term there will really be an opportunity to change the alignment of the world, it seems. I think it will take until almost then for these countries to really get the message as to the meaning of "hard ball".

20 posted on 04/21/2003 2:02:58 AM PDT by AFPhys (((PRAYING for: President Bush & advisors, troops & families, Americans)))
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