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Latest Windows XP patch can slow down PCs
Computerworld ^ | April 23, 2003 | Joris Evers

Posted on 04/23/2003 10:31:14 AM PDT by Timesink

Latest Windows XP patch can slow down PCs

By Joris Evers, IDG News Service
APRIL 23, 2003

Microsoft Corp.'s latest security patch can cause computers running Windows XP to slow down to a crawl, affected users say.

Windows XP can take up to 10 seconds to start an application after installation of the patch released April 16 with Security Bulletin MS03-013, users wrote in dozens of postings on several online discussion boards. Removing the patch brings system speed back to normal, according to those users.

Microsoft is aware of the issue and is investigating, said Stephen Toulouse, a security program manager at Microsoft's security response center.

"We have been made aware of some isolated cases of customers experiencing performance issues after applying the patch," he said, referring to the online reports. No customers have called Microsoft's help desk with the problem, according to Toulouse.

The patch, which Microsoft calls Hotfix Q811493, was distributed via Microsoft's security Web site and the automatic Windows Update service. It fixes a security flaw in the Windows kernel, the core of the Windows operating system. The vulnerability is rated "important" by Microsoft, one notch below the highest level in the vendor's severity rating scheme.

The flaw could allow an attacker to raise his privilege level on a vulnerable system. However, to exploit the flaw, an attacker must be able to log onto a system, either at the computer or via a terminal connection, mitigating the risk.

Users offering online advice suggested that home users experiencing system slowdowns remove the patch because corporate environments with terminal servers and client systems accessed by multiple users are most at risk. Microsoft, however, urged all customers to apply the patch and to call the Microsoft help desk if there are any performance problems afterwards, Toulouse said.


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KEYWORDS: hotfixq811493; microsoft; techindex; windows; windowsxp
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If u cn rd ths, u wstd ur tme.
1 posted on 04/23/2003 10:31:14 AM PDT by Timesink
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To: Timesink
Interesting.

I've installed this patch, and I haven't noticed any slowdown. What are these folks running?
2 posted on 04/23/2003 10:32:27 AM PDT by Poohbah (Crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of their women!)
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To: *Microsoft; *tech_index
bump for bump lists
3 posted on 04/23/2003 10:32:37 AM PDT by Timesink
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To: Poohbah
You at home or on a big LAN at work? Check that last paragraph.
4 posted on 04/23/2003 10:33:47 AM PDT by Timesink
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To: Poohbah
Tandy 1000s.
5 posted on 04/23/2003 10:33:55 AM PDT by Sir Gawain
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To: Timesink
At home.

Like I said, I haven't noticed any slowdown.

I read the last paragraph--it said users experiencing a slowdown AT HOME should remove the patch.

I'm just wondering what h/w and s/w the folks experiencing slowdowns are running.
6 posted on 04/23/2003 10:36:09 AM PDT by Poohbah (Crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of their women!)
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To: Poohbah
My problem with XP so far is it doesn't remain signed online when switching from one profile to another. I haven't seen a patch for it yet. For instance: hubby is signed on, he finishes ripping up all the disruptors on FR, and he switches to my profile so I can have a look-see. :) But, it signs off and I have to re-dial. An inconvenience to be sure - especially with dial-up.
7 posted on 04/23/2003 10:36:22 AM PDT by cgk (Op. Iraqi Freedom Hero Tribute: http://home.earthlink.net/~mrskoz/index.html)
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To: Timesink
Windows XP can slow down PCs.
8 posted on 04/23/2003 10:37:06 AM PDT by CyberCowboy777 (In those days... Every man did that which was right in his own eyes.)
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To: Poohbah
I read the last paragraph--it said users experiencing a slowdown AT HOME should remove the patch.

Ah, foo, so it does. Apologies, I'm having major brain freeze today.

9 posted on 04/23/2003 10:38:24 AM PDT by Timesink
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To: Timesink
Buy the XP Professional. It's much better than the crappy Home edition.
10 posted on 04/23/2003 10:38:24 AM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: Timesink
Ah, foo, so it does. Apologies, I'm having major brain freeze today.

Maybe you need to remove the security patch from your brain :o)

11 posted on 04/23/2003 10:39:05 AM PDT by Poohbah (Crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of their women!)
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To: Poohbah
Maybe you need to remove the security patch from your brain :o)

But then the liberals will hack in and steal my brilliance!

12 posted on 04/23/2003 10:41:30 AM PDT by Timesink
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To: Timesink
Disable remote connections, and only have interactive logins with attractive conservababes like Ann Coulter or Laura Ingraham :o)
13 posted on 04/23/2003 10:42:19 AM PDT by Poohbah (Crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of their women!)
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To: Timesink
nuts, I installed this and it did slow my system down. It also said once installed, this patch can't be removed. Are they going to give a patch patch.
14 posted on 04/23/2003 10:43:22 AM PDT by longtermmemmory
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To: longtermmemmory
XP Home or Pro?

Does anyone know if this only affects Home, or both Home and Pro?
15 posted on 04/23/2003 10:55:04 AM PDT by FreedomPoster
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To: longtermmemmory
I was wondering what was going on. Several of my applications have taken so long to start they have "frozen" and I had to reboot.
16 posted on 04/23/2003 10:56:03 AM PDT by I still care (America is great because it is good. When it ceases to be good, it will cease to be great.)
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To: Timesink
The new version of Windows RG doesn't have this problem.
Click here for a demo.
17 posted on 04/23/2003 10:57:51 AM PDT by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: FreedomPoster
xp home. What happens my mouse sticks for a moment when I move across the screen. Pages load slower. Program switching is slower.
18 posted on 04/23/2003 10:58:18 AM PDT by longtermmemmory
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To: cgk
I use XP Professional with a DSL 'modem' connected to the LAN card in my PC, and when I log off, it asks me if I want to keep the connection open in a dialog box. If I say yes, it will stay online even when no one is logged on, and it will be online after someone else logs on.
19 posted on 04/23/2003 10:58:57 AM PDT by Sender
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To: longtermmemmory
Cool; everything I've gotten with XP, I went ahead and got Pro. Now I can just D/L the patch and it'll stop whining at me.
20 posted on 04/23/2003 11:02:23 AM PDT by FreedomPoster
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To: Timesink
OFN. This was posted on Slashdot, what, a month ago?

Do a search on Google for "Q815411", you can probably find the patch file there without having to call MS or wait for Service Pack 2.
21 posted on 04/23/2003 11:03:06 AM PDT by Pyrion
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To: Sir Gawain
Tandy 1000s.

I had a TX that worked great all the way up to DOS 6.0.
Never have been fully convinced that Windows was an improvement.

22 posted on 04/23/2003 11:03:12 AM PDT by Willie Green (Go Pat Go!!!)
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To: longtermmemmory
When I switched over to Apple computers a couple of years ago all of the Microsofties were going "XP will fix all of the problems, don't go, you'll be sorry!"

Well, it's a couple of years later. I now have three Apple computers all running OS X. They all are in excellent workig condition. I have had literally ZERO problems with OS X. None. Nada. Zilch.

It's not like my machines are loafing, either. One is running Final Cut Pro / DVD Studio Pro most of the day, another is running Ableton Live and Arturia Storm, along with Photoshop. The third is mostly used for web browsing. They all work. All the time. Every day. No crashes, no problems, no viruses, no "gotchas". They just work.

Meanwhile, back in the XP camp, all of a sudden I'm hearing about all of the bad old problems I remember from years ago on PC's. BSOD crashes, slow booting, cursor hangups, system freezes. Yep, I figured as much. No more Microsoft crapware for me. Now I own real computers that really work.
23 posted on 04/23/2003 11:04:18 AM PDT by Billy_bob_bob ("He who will not reason is a bigot;He who cannot is a fool;He who dares not is a slave." W. Drummond)
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To: Timesink
Oh and I should point out that the Microsoft TechNet article linked in the TLP holds no relevance to Windows actually slowing down any. The patch for this particular bug fixes a buffer overrun, something that can be exploited, but nothing relating to how long it takes Windows to start programs in the first place.

Hell, this is what it says right on that page:

"Buffer Overrun in Windows Kernel Message Handling could Lead to Elevated Privileges (811493)"

Again, do a search for Q815411. That actually holds relevance to the whole "programs load slower on Windows XP with Service Pack 1 installed".
24 posted on 04/23/2003 11:07:21 AM PDT by Pyrion
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To: Billy_bob_bob
Apple is not an option for me. I run a business and windows is the way to go. My busines requires software only available in windows. I do not wish to go linux since I am not in business to tinker with my office computers. Apple is too much of a niche machine to be viable and cost effective for me. Besides, I am not doing extreme computing, I compatability problems have been rare even from win95 to xp.
25 posted on 04/23/2003 11:09:20 AM PDT by longtermmemmory
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To: Izzy Dunne
Best laugh I've had in a long, long time. I'd love to see someone install this on some PCs on display in stores, just to see people's reactions!
27 posted on 04/23/2003 11:17:23 AM PDT by LeftIsSinister (I've already run out of witty or relevant tag lines!)
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To: Poohbah
My 266Mhz with 16 megs of memory absolutely locked up when I installed this patch!
28 posted on 04/23/2003 11:17:41 AM PDT by Tennessee_Bob (Dieses sieht wie ein Job nach Nothosen aus!)
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To: Timesink
Time to switch to linux.


29 posted on 04/23/2003 11:23:54 AM PDT by Clive
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To: Timesink
I have two computers and only added this to one; it slowed down the time of a start up and added a user to my user profile of the one I downloaded
30 posted on 04/23/2003 11:31:05 AM PDT by Oystir
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To: Timesink
I installed it on XP Pro and my Roadrunner speed is:

.

31 posted on 04/23/2003 11:31:30 AM PDT by Consort (Use only un-hyphenated words when posting.)
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To: Clive
Or windows 2000 (the single best operating system microsoft has ever made!!)

I have NEVER had a system crash using windows 2000

*never*

really
32 posted on 04/23/2003 11:33:21 AM PDT by Mr. K (I'm formidable with that)
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To: Timesink
I have a "slowdown" at home. I haven't gotten any in a long, long time. I just knew it was Bill Gates fault!

It's not Updates 81349 or 330994 is it? I mean do they have different ways of numbering these things?

33 posted on 04/23/2003 11:38:47 AM PDT by garyhope
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To: Timesink
I installed this and I think it slowed my computer down. How do I remove it? Thanks.
34 posted on 04/23/2003 11:54:32 AM PDT by Uncle Hal
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To: Willie Green
I had a TX that worked great all the way up to DOS 6.0. Never have been fully convinced that Windows was an improvement.

Same here, Willie, same here. I drive my wife nuts with "In the old days of PC's..."

35 posted on 04/23/2003 12:02:22 PM PDT by backhoe (Just an old keyboard cowboy, ridin' the trackball into the sunset...)
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To: backhoe
I drive my wife nuts with "In the old days of PC's..."

It was a good time for learning how to "tinker under the hood".
The autoinstallation of the newer PNP stuff is supposedly easier, but I don't think newbies can learn as much.

36 posted on 04/23/2003 12:06:23 PM PDT by Willie Green (Go Pat Go!!!)
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To: Mr. K
I have NEVER had a system crash using windows 2000

I have, but it turned out to be an overheating CPU. A dab of silicon fixed it. I've had to reboot a few times to get scanners working, and I've had blue screens due to bad memory chips, but I really can't recall in four years, ever having the OS crash.

I might add that I've built six XP Pro machines at work, and never had an OS problem.

37 posted on 04/23/2003 12:14:50 PM PDT by js1138
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To: Timesink
I've been waiting for an XP thread.

My version of XP Pro takes between five & ten MINUTES to boot. I have nothing else loading to account for the delay.

If anyone out there has heard of a similar problem I'd sure welcome some advise.

38 posted on 04/23/2003 12:20:36 PM PDT by skeeter (Fac ut vivas)
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To: Mr. K
I am running a dual boot Win2000 and Mandrake linux on my new machine and dual boot Win95 and OS/2 on an older machine. The new machine replaces one on which I had win95-OS/2-Linux.

The most stable of the operating systems is linux. Win95 is more stable than Win2000 but is a bit obsolete. Win2000 is a good replacement for it and in my opinion more stable than WinXP.

I had OS/2 as a business operating system and ran a law practice using it.

Win2000 is on the new machine because my son uses it. I have had to re-install it for him 3 times compared to zero for linux.

39 posted on 04/23/2003 12:27:06 PM PDT by Clive
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To: Willie Green
It was a good time for learning how to "tinker under the hood".

It sure was- I'm an old hotrodder at heart and love goosing machinery to make it better and faster...

And you're right about the PNP stuff- it's nice ( when it works like it's supposed to! ) but it really doesn't make you learn anything.

40 posted on 04/23/2003 12:39:23 PM PDT by backhoe (Just an old keyboard cowboy, ridin' the trackball into the sunset...)
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To: skeeter
yikes! can you install win2000 and replace it? I did that on a new dell that came with XP - it runs SO MUCH better.

Also I have just found out that you can turn of the XP interface (buried somewhere in the confix settings) which speeds things up a bunch.

I dont like win XP at all- my 1st and second choices (and I have to work in them both) is Win2000 and Linux
41 posted on 04/23/2003 12:41:35 PM PDT by Mr. K (I'm formidable with that)
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To: Timesink
I am just a tiny bit relieved. I thought my hard disk was going the way it started to seem a little sluggish in starting apps. Maybe it's just Microcrap. Hopefully they will have a patch for their patch soon.
42 posted on 04/23/2003 12:50:47 PM PDT by L_Von_Mises
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To: Mr. K
I'm afraid I'm stuck with XP... it wasn't always this bad - the slowdown on startup was something that began happening just recently.
43 posted on 04/23/2003 12:55:42 PM PDT by skeeter (Fac ut vivas)
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To: Timesink
Thank you...

My computer slowed to a crawl yesterday and I couldn't figure out why. It was a fresh installation as of Sunday and it was driving me crazy. I am now back up to speed.

Thanks!

44 posted on 04/23/2003 1:02:05 PM PDT by undeniable logic
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To: Timesink
Time to patch the patch on the patch that patches the patch's patched patch.
45 posted on 04/23/2003 1:06:54 PM PDT by Redcloak (All work and no FReep makes Jack a dull boy. All work and no FReep make s Jack a dul boy. Allwork an)
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To: backhoe
but it really doesn't make you learn anything.

A similar event will occur when commercial broadcasting eventually makes the transition from analog to digital transmission.
Yes, it should certainly mean better quality radio/television reception for the vast majority of consumers.
But I'm saddened by the impact it will have for hobbyists and schoolkids who will lose the opportunity of listening to their local radio station on a little jumble of wires and components that they built themselves. I'm really not much of an amateur radio enthusiast (too little time), but I tinker with some of their literature on antennas and stuff just so I can get better reception out of my shortwave receiver. You can't stop technological progress, but with something gained there is also something that is lost.

46 posted on 04/23/2003 1:19:27 PM PDT by Willie Green (Go Pat Go!!!)
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To: Billy_bob_bob
Now, Billy_bob_bob. Since switching to Apple, you haven't had any problem with Winders, either, have you? Proves the MS peoples' point! All the problems are gone! :)

I have a friend who, when he gets a Winders question, asks, "Were you having the problem before you turned the computer on?"
When the answer is "No," he tells them, "Well, just turn the computer off and you won't have the problem."

I suppose it's like the lawyer, lying, and when he opens his mouth joke. You only have problems with Windows when the machine is on.

47 posted on 04/23/2003 1:31:52 PM PDT by jammer
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To: Billy_bob_bob
Meanwhile, back in the XP camp, all of a sudden I'm hearing about all of the bad old problems I remember from years ago on PC's. BSOD crashes, slow booting, cursor hangups, system freezes. Yep, I figured as much. No more Microsoft crapware for me. Now I own real computers that really work.

I built a new box in the middle of January, use my computer a good 14 hours a day since then, and with Win XP I haven't had a SINGLE BSOD, cursor hangup, or system freeze. EVER.

48 posted on 04/23/2003 2:02:50 PM PDT by John H K
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
I've had people tell me this as well. Can I upgrade to Pro from Home without doing a fresh install?
49 posted on 04/23/2003 2:10:24 PM PDT by GunRunner
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To: John H K
Good for you. Check back in about nine months or so. From what I have seen many XP installations start to have problems after about a year of solid use. Keep in mind I've been using OS X since 10.1 came out. I've been using 10.2 (Jaguar) for several months now with no problems at all. 10.1 was also stable but less robust. 10.2 is really nice, and from what I'm hearing 10.3 (Panther) will be even better.
50 posted on 04/23/2003 2:10:51 PM PDT by Billy_bob_bob ("He who will not reason is a bigot;He who cannot is a fool;He who dares not is a slave." W. Drummond)
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