In Defence of Sen. Rick Santorum - Criticism of Gay Sex Acts is Not Equal to Racism

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[NCLaw441]

The equal protection argument you present turns upon itself. The Texas law applies to everyone, male or female. Your argument proves too much. Do laws against armed robbery violate the equal protection clause because they only affect those who commit armed robbery, and not those who don't? I will have to go and pull the case of Bowers v. Hardwick from 1986, I believe, but I think the issue was addressed there.

[NCLaw441]

Homosexuals and heterosexuals are all persons, and the law applies to all of them.

[Buckeye Bomber]

Your logic is at least working. I disagree with you though. Banning anal sex or oral sex for people of the same gender while not banning it for a man and a woman is not equal protection under the law. I can see your logic, and I hope the lawyers for Texas try to use it before the Supreme Court. We'll see how well that works.

[NCLaw441]

I just took a quick look at the Bowers case, and it does not seem to address the equal protection issue of 14th Amendment, only the DPC of the 14th. I do think that my logic (for once) holds on the equal protection issue. It is akin (sort of) to parking regulations. You can park your car (body part) here (body orifice) legally, but if you park it (body part) THERE (body orifice) it is illegal, and you are subject to a fine or other punishment. Parking laws apply to all persons, just as the sodomy law in Virginia applies to all persons. Now, if the argument was that deviate sexual intercourse by a male with another male was expressly prohibited, the argument would be different. I would still side with the opinion of the Court in the Bowers case though, holding that there is no constitutional right to homosexual intercourse.

[MissAmericanPie]

Because neither local, state, nor national laws are enforced unless there are several layers of laws backing each other up.

We sure are not getting our money's worth as citizens. Immigration laws are ignored, sodomy laws are ignored, we are being made slave laborers to illegals and minorities, when it comes to the government, they are above the law, yet can't wait to make an example of the every day joe that follows their example.

The Congress get's all holier than thou about Enron, when Congress has been cooking it's books for years. So if layers and layers of laws dealing with the same issue is what it takes to get them to enforce them, then so be it.

[Buckeye Bomber]

You know what will solve the problem of laws not being enforced? More laws. And when those laws aren't enforced, we'll make more laws. And then....

Do you see where I'm going with this?

[Dad was my hero]

2) Society has a vested interest in preventing deformed or genetically weak children as much as possible. Incestual intercourse and marriage must then be stopped.

Let me see if I understand your point here. Am I to infer from this post that you are saying that the state has an interest or right to intervene in the pregnancy of a woman who finds herself carrying a genetically defective or weak child in utero when she was impregnated by normal heterosexual non-incest relations?

Second, since abortion and birth control are easily available now, if a brother and sister decide that their love is complete if they marry and they agree that if any of their children are "defective" they will abort, have we removed enough of your concerns to move forward with this type of union?

[Renatus]

It is all very simple. Santorum is correct.

1. The family is the BASIC unit of society. When the family
breaks down society suffers and ends up in chaos.

2. Homosexual behavior militates against the family and causes its breakdown.

3. It matters not that it is done "behind closed doors."
The common good must prevail.

[MissAmericanPie]

Yes, I do, I was pointing out how hopeless the situation is without the Supremes attacking what laws a state does have on the books for the already limited protection of it's citizens.

The local cops are not going door to door looking for sodomy, but when someone does call in with a problem the cops may pay a visit and inform the guilty that there can be a penalty for their behaviour. A cop knocking on their door and warning them to leave the kids in the neighborhood alone, that there has been a complaint, can go a long way in dealing with them. That is mainly what Texas sodomy laws are on the books for, unseemly behaviour control that deals with keeping the bedroom door of perverts closed.

[editor-surveyor]

" I have to say something. Dummocraps? Honestly. Can't we just say they're policies are dumb?"

No, that would never cover the vast reality of it. Their 'policies' are beyond dumb, they're criminal. They have turned congress into a crime syndicate.

BTW, Fascist has nothing to do with the question of right or left; it is the element of tyranny applied to any political direction. Communist is a mild description of about 30% of the dems that hold elective office. The progressive caucus is anti-freedom, anti-christ, and anti-property; that puts them solidly into the relm of communism.

[editor-surveyor]

"And masterdebater is a term of honor in my book."

Yes, it shows.

[Buckeye Bomber]

Good one. I hope you're trying to be funny. I sure was.