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What does Ayn Rand mean when she describes selfishness as a virtue?
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Posted on 4/23/2003, 11:42:38 PM by RJCogburn

Ayn Rand rejects altruism, the view that self-sacrifice is the moral ideal. She argues that the ultimate moral value, for each human individual, is his or her own well-being. Since selfishness (as she understands it) is serious, rational, principled concern with one's own well-being, it turns out to be a prerequisite for the attainment of the ultimate moral value. For this reason, Rand believes that selfishness is a virtue.

In the introduction to her collection of essays on ethical philosophy, The Virtue of Selfishness (VOS), Rand writes that the "exact meaning" of selfishness is "concern with one's own interests" (VOS, vii). In that work, Rand argues that a virtue is an action by which one secures and protects one's rational values—ultimately, one's life and happiness. Since a concern with one's own interests is a character trait that, when translated into action, enables one to achieve and guard one's own well-being, it follows that selfishness is a virtue. One must manifest a serious concern for one's own interests if one is to lead a healthy, purposeful, fulfilling life.

Rand understands, though, that the popular usage of the word, "selfish," is different from the meaning she ascribes to it. Many people use the adjective "selfish" to describe regard for one's own welfare to the disregard of the well-being of others. Moreover, many people would be willing to characterize any instance of desire-satisfaction in these circumstances as "selfish," no matter what its content. Thus, many people arrive at the following composite image: selfish people are brutish people who are oblivious to the negative consequences of their actions for their friends and loved ones and who abuse the patience, trust, and good will of all comers to satisfy their petty whims.

Rand certainly recognizes that there are people who fit this description, and she certainly does not believe that their behavior is in any sense virtuous. But she opposes labeling them "selfish." Rand believes that this application of the word blurs important philosophical distinctions and foreordains false philosophical doctrines. First, this understanding of selfishness construes both whim-fulfillment and the disregard of others' interests as genuinely self-interested behaviors, which they are not. Second, this understanding of selfishness suggests an altruist framework for thinking about ethics.

To elaborate on the first point: Rand believes that the elements of human self-interest are objective. All human beings have objective biological and psychological needs, and one's actual interests are identified by reference to these needs. Mere whim-fulfillment is therefore not constitutive of human well-being because one's whims might be at odds with one's actual needs. Moreover, the character traits of the "selfish" brute are not compatible with any human being's actual, rational interests. Humans live in a social world; in order to maximize the value of their interactions with others, they should cultivate a firm commitment to the virtues of rationality, justice, productiveness, and benevolence. A commitment to these virtues naturally precludes such brutish behavior. (For the Objectivist view of benevolence and its component virtues—civility, sensitivity, and generosity—see David Kelley's Unrugged Individualism: The Selfish Basis of Benevolence).

To elaborate on the second point: Rand argues that the conventional understanding of selfishness implies an altruistic framework for thinking about ethics. Within this framework, the question, "Who is the beneficiary of this act?" is the most important moral question: right acts are acts undertaken for the "benefit" of others and wrong acts are acts undertaken for one's own "benefit." Rand believes that this approach passes over the crucial ethical questions: "What are values?" and "What is the nature of the right and the good?" In addition, the altruist framework suggests a dichotomy between actions that promote the interests of others to one's own detriment and actions that promote ones own interests to the detriment of others. Rand rejects this dichotomy and affirms the harmony of human interests (cf. "The 'Conflicts' of Men's Interests," VOS 57-65).

Rand writes, "[A]ltruism permits no concept of a self-respecting, self-supporting man—a man who supports his own life by his own effort and neither sacrifices himself nor others … it permits no concept of benevolent co-existence among men … it permits no concept of justice" (VOS, ix).

For her, the truly selfish person is a self-respecting, self-supporting human being who neither sacrifices others to himself nor sacrifices himself to others. This value-orientation is brilliantly dramatized in the character of Howard Roark in The Fountainhead. The further elements of selfishness - the character traits that, when translated into action, implement a concern for one's own real interests - are discussed and illustrated in that work, in Atlas Shrugged, and throughout Rand's non-fiction.

Finally, one might ask why Rand chose to use the term, "selfish," to designate the virtuous trait of character described above rather than to coin some new term for this purpose. This is an interesting question. Probably, Rand wished to challenge us to think through the substantial moral assumptions that have infected our ethical vocabulary. Her language also suggests that she believes that any other understanding of selfishness would amount to an invalid concept, i.e., one that is not appropriate to the facts and/or to man's mode of cognition (see VOS vii-xii, and Introduction to Objectivist Epistemology, esp. Ch. 7). In addition, one might interpret Rand as asserting that her definition captures the historical and etymological meaning of the word. But certainly, her praise of selfishness communicates instantaneously and provocatively the practical, this-worldly, egoistic, and profoundly Greek orientation of her ethical thought.


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1 posted on 4/23/2003, 11:42:38 PM by RJCogburn
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To: RJCogburn

A person who is *completely* wrapped up in self-interest will not throw himself on top of a grenade to save a room full of children, or risk life and limb to save a child from a burning building.

2 posted on 4/23/2003, 11:47:30 PM by Southack (Media bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: RJCogburn
As previously, how long will it take for the nattering nabobs to decend like a herd of Hyena to disparage Rand?

It only took five minutes on last light's thread.....

3 posted on 4/23/2003, 11:51:29 PM by longshadow
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To: RJCogburn
Seems Adam Smith had a similar philosophy when he wrote:

"It is not from benevolence of the butcher, the brewer, or the baker, that we expect our dinner , but from their regard to their own interest."
4 posted on 4/23/2003, 11:51:35 PM by So Cal Rocket (God bless the coalition troops and their families)
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To: Southack
Not true. If it is enhancing to the concept-of-self they will. Self interest is merely understanding that you cannot give a bum a dime without getting something out of it even if it is only a warm fuzzy feeling or a stairway to heaven.
5 posted on 4/23/2003, 11:54:11 PM by Lysander (My army can kill your army)
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To: Lysander
"Not true. If it is enhancing to the concept-of-self they will."

Nonsense. Getting yourself killed is by definition the LAST thing that self-interested person could want, thus by definition such a self-absorbed person would not voluntarily cover a grenade with her body to save a room full of children.

6 posted on 4/23/2003, 11:57:50 PM by Southack (Media bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: Southack
But should he smother the grenade with ONE of the children in order to save the rest and also save himself to protect the surviving children from further dangers ? Keep in mind that he can't protect anyone AFTER dying himself ?

And would he be charged with murder for doing that ?

Why not throw the damned grenade out the window ?

7 posted on 4/23/2003, 11:57:52 PM by hoosierham
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To: longshadow
Not to disparage, but as I understand Objectivism, it's atheistic, and thus, ultimately relative in whatever moral view it espouses.
8 posted on 4/23/2003, 11:59:39 PM by onedoug
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To: longshadow
"As previously, how long will it take for the nattering nabobs to decend like a herd of Hyena to disparage Rand?"

Goodness, what will you do if people only debate her *ideas* rather than insult her. Heaven forbid that you have to *gasp* defend her ideas without insulting those who debate you...

9 posted on 4/23/2003, 11:59:54 PM by Southack (Media bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: Southack
Getting yourself killed is by definition the LAST thing that self-interested person could want

No, not so. I would give my life to save that of my sweeetie, Ms. Eula Goodnight, or my sons. No question. I would consider it in my self interest. No question.

10 posted on 4/24/2003, 12:00:58 AM by RJCogburn (Yes, I will call it bold talk for a......)
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To: RJCogburn; Fzob; P.O.E.; PeterPrinciple; MWS; reflecting; DannyTN; FourtySeven; x; ...
What does Ayn Rand mean when she describes selfishness as a virtue?

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11 posted on 4/24/2003, 12:01:59 AM by Hank Kerchief
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To: PatrickHenry
Once more, into the breech.....
12 posted on 4/24/2003, 12:02:30 AM by longshadow
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To: longshadow
I'm starting a new philosophical perspective ... the virtue of intolerance. And believe me, that is contained within the virtue of selfishness. But Rand's championing selfishness in no way precluded the virtue of sacrifice, just the contrary! From a sound position of selfishness, sacrifice for others is the more powerful when done. With the virtue of intolerance, demanding that deviancy and dehumanization of other arbitrarily chosen (by the Liberal PC crowd) among humanity will be opposed, vigorously ... simply because I choose to no longer suffer their insult to my Republic's moral fiber. I will demand that elected representatives also tow the mark, not tolerating the corrosion and corruption of my Republic, else they will be replaced, quickly! Yes, impeachment needs to have greater utility!
13 posted on 4/24/2003, 12:03:25 AM by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote Life Support for others.)
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To: Southack
All behavior is essentially motivated by seeking to enhance or maintain the concept-of-self. Suicide is even consistent with that premiss. If you do not understand that you will never understand Rand. We behave consistently with the way we perceive ourselves to be. If we perceive that giving our for others is important we behave consistently with our own perception at that instant of our behavior.
14 posted on 4/24/2003, 12:03:59 AM by Lysander (My army can kill your army)
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To: Southack
A person who is *completely* wrapped up in self-interest will not throw himself on top of a grenade to save a room full of children, or risk life and limb to save a child from a burning building.

Not so.

#1) maybe they would think life would be worse for them knowing they failed to act heroically, so they would choose to jump on the grenade

Or #2) people don't have time to make rational calculations in situations like that, they just act according to instinct/training

15 posted on 4/24/2003, 12:05:04 AM by xm177e2 (Stalinists, Maoists, Ba'athists, Pacifists: Why are they always on the same side?)
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To: RJCogburn
The world is screwed up enough without trying to make selfishness a virtue. Yes, it is true that sometimes our own self interests help the society but we are seeing the fruit now of selfish people run amok. For example, look at the executives of American Airlines: Greedy dogs. That is not a virtue.
16 posted on 4/24/2003, 12:05:36 AM by Raymond Hendrix
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To: hoosierham
"But should he smother the grenade with ONE of the children in order to save the rest and also save himself to protect the surviving children from further dangers ? Keep in mind that he can't protect anyone AFTER dying himself ?"

That would seem consistent with a self-interested person.

Perhaps Ms. Rand would be proud, if so.

17 posted on 4/24/2003, 12:05:57 AM by Southack (Media bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: So Cal Rocket
"Seems Adam Smith had a similar philosophy when he wrote:

"It is not from benevolence of the butcher, the brewer, or the baker, that we expect our dinner , but from their regard to their own interest." "


Which is the same thing Gordon Gecko meant by "Greed is Good".
18 posted on 4/24/2003, 12:06:04 AM by Buck W.
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To: xm177e2
"#1) maybe they would think life would be worse for them knowing they failed to act heroically, so they would choose to jump on the grenade"

That's patheticly weak.

19 posted on 4/24/2003, 12:07:01 AM by Southack (Media bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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20 posted on 4/24/2003, 12:07:19 AM by Libertarianize the GOP (Ideas have consequences)
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