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To: general_re
And human life is, after all, the ultimate subject of interest in the matter of abortion. It would appear that you don't perceive embryos to be individual human beings. Abortion kills an individual human being, abortion at any age along the continuum of that individual's lifetime begun at conception. From reading your offerings on this thread and the cloning thread (and other previous RJ Cogburn threads), it seems likely that you have chosen to dehumanize the embryo, disconnecting it from the continuum of its lifetime, in order to support your desired experimentation with individual human life.

Here's something for you to flame on: I apply the term 'abortion' even to the killing (via dismemberment or flushing) of embryos held in labs, because that act of ending the already alive, individual being in embryo age along its lifetime continuum is killing an individual already existing, alive individual, expressing its individual life through mitosis. Those wishing to obfuscate the truth of killing individuals prior to birth will now jump up and cite the zygotes lost during a menstrual cycle and claim that even God doesn't count these embryos as individual humans else why does God allow so many to be lost without implantation. If you try that tactic, you do so at your own risk of lecture, and not from me, though I would love to, but I try to confine all my disagreement with exploitation of individual human life to the areas of science and human moral ideals. I don't try to question God's sovereignty, only humankind's treachery.

62 posted on 04/25/2003 10:29:22 AM PDT by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote Life Support for others.)
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To: MHGinTN
It would appear that you don't perceive embryos to be individual human beings.

It appears that I have not been as clear as I had hoped - whether embryos are individual human beings or not is irrelevant to discussions of parthenotes. Parthenotes are not embryos, and not individual human beings, either actually or potentially. Therefore, discussions of abortion and embryos and the individuality thereof have no bearing on whether or not parthenogenetic research is itself moral or worthwhile. It will have to be evaluated by a different set of criteria - as I said to another poster above, if you still feel that parthenote research is immoral, that is certainly your prerogative, but you will have to do it based on something besides the sanctity of human life, since parthenotes are not embryos.

63 posted on 04/25/2003 10:41:46 AM PDT by general_re
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