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Did SARS mutate from duck, pig feces?
WorldNetDaily.com ^ | Friday, April 25, 2003 | By Paul Sperry

Posted on 04/25/2003 1:36:14 AM PDT by JohnHuang2

The last three influenza pandemics have all originated in Asia – the 1957 Asian flu, the 1968 Hong Kong flu and now this year's SARS flu, which also has been traced to China's southern Guangdong province, which includes Hong Kong.

Why do these virulent new viral strains come out of South China?

Some virologists implicate the farming practices common there. In southern provinces of China, farmers raise hens, ducks, pigs and fish in one integrated system. They use the droppings and leftover food from the pigs to feed the fowl. The fowl droppings, in turn, help fertilize the fish ponds.

While it sounds like a perfect system, raising three different species with no waste, the species may be exchanging viruses among themselves through the feces.

The birds can pass avian flu viruses to swine, where the two viruses co-mingle and form a new strain that is passed back to the farmers, whose immune system cannot fight the new virus, as the theory goes. The pigs, which have a genetic make-up more like humans, act as the mixing vessel.

The 1968 Hong Kong flu strain, at least, was traced back to ducks. That flu and its cousins have killed more than 250,000 Americans, public-health officials estimate.

British zoologist Ernest Naylor and German virologist Christoph Scholtissek first made the connection and warned of future superflu outbreaks from such Chinese agricultural techniques in a 1988 article in Nature.

Regarding SARS, "the most likely scenario is that it has been circulating in another species in southern China, and human beings came in contact with it this past autumn, perhaps in an agricultural setting," said Dr. Stephen Morse, author of "Emerging Viruses." "It is interesting that this part of Asia is the same geographic area from which most known influenza pandemics have arisen."

The federal Centers for Disease Control is not ready to commit to the theory that China's farming practices are to blame for SARS, although some say the reluctance has more to do with international politics and diplomacy than medicine.

"I can't confirm that it has anything to do with the agricultural industry," said CDC spokeswoman Karen Hunter in a phone interview from Atlanta. "We don't have any concrete reasons why influenza sometimes comes out of Asia."

She notes that last century's first flu pandemic, which struck in 1918, came out of Spain.

"Even though the last two flu pandemics did come out of Asia," she said, "Asia is not the only place where we see flu viruses mutating and changing."

But one U.S. public-health official, an epidemiologist, says the CDC has long acknowledged the theory's merits.

"Certainly such old-world agriculture is not the best of ideas," he said. "The primary reason we in the U.S. are concerned about proper disposal of human and animal wastes is for reasons of public health, not for aesthetic ones."

He added they don't yet understand that in mainland China, which is still run by a communist government.

Chinese dissident Harry Wu says Chinese farmers also feed human waste to pets, whose waste is fed to livestock.

"It is very common in China, in the rural areas, for the dog to clean up the human bowel (movement)," he said in a WorldNetDaily interview. "You know, the baby makes bowel on the floor (and) the dog will come right in and eat it up."

"The whole environment is like that," Wu added.

He also cited the Chinese people's indiscriminate, omnivorous diet as a possible concern.

"I don't know if these animals are one of the reasons (for SARS), but it is true in the southern part of China that they eat all kinds of animals," Wu said. "We make a joke that they eat everything that flies except for airplanes, and they eat everything with legs except the tables – snails, turtles, chickens, raccoons. Even some right now are eating the fetus, unborn babies, as a delicacy. That is cannibalism."

Wu notes recent speculation by a Russian scientist who posits that the SARS virus is man-made, invented by a Chinese military lab as a biochemical weapon.

"I'm not sure about that," he said, "but I wouldn't be surprised" if it's true.

Interestingly, influenza fatality rates are virtually unknown. That's because there are no concrete figures for the number of people who get the flu each year to calculate against the number of reported deaths, Hunter says. Many who come down with the flu don't visit the doctor, and therefore don't show up in the statistics.

But generally, the fatality rate for the common flu is thought to be about 15 percent, which may be inflated given the incomplete data for the denominator. The fatality rate for SARS, by comparison, is estimated to be running between 4 percent and 10 percent so far.


TOPICS: Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: paulsperry; sars; spanishflu
Friday, April 25, 2003

Quote of the Day by IowaHawk

1 posted on 04/25/2003 1:36:15 AM PDT by JohnHuang2
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To: JohnHuang2
Yummy.
2 posted on 04/25/2003 2:02:48 AM PDT by billorites (freepo ergo sum)
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To: JohnHuang2
Does SARS also make farm animals sick?
3 posted on 04/25/2003 2:05:17 AM PDT by Fitzcarraldo
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To: JohnHuang2
Scientists in the Middle East and Russia (where they have done biological warfare research projects) have confirmed that this specific strain of coronavirus CANNOT jump species from animal to human UNLESS someone had genetically tempered with the DNA. Meaning: this virus IS artificial and can ONLY be made in a lab. Who did that? In rural China, people have been living with poultry and livestock for thousands of years. Why didn’t the virus mutate then?

Remember the avian-flu (chicken-flu) virus that plagued Guangdong and Hong Kong a few years back? Both avian-flu and coronavirus begins from Guangdong. Both avian-flu and coronavirus did jump species against the laws of mother nature. Just coincidence?

Draw your own conclusion.
4 posted on 04/25/2003 2:05:41 AM PDT by FreepForever (China is the hub of all evil)
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To: Fitzcarraldo
Yes, common cold in feline and enteritis in swine.But both are not lethal.
5 posted on 04/25/2003 2:07:08 AM PDT by FreepForever (China is the hub of all evil)
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To: FreepForever
Perhaps the greater longterm threat of SARS is the decimation of livestock...
6 posted on 04/25/2003 2:09:09 AM PDT by Fitzcarraldo
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To: Fitzcarraldo
No, I have asked the vets. They say that coronavirus have existed in animals for centuries. They are not that contagious and deadly. That's why we still got cats and pigs. If the coronavirus and cats and pigs behave like the one we are seeing now, that would have wipedout all cats and pigs centuries ago. The are in the coronavirus family but different strain.
7 posted on 04/25/2003 2:25:20 AM PDT by FreepForever (China is the hub of all evil)
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To: Fitzcarraldo
No, I have consulted some vets. They say that coronavirus have existed in animals for centuries. They are not that contagious and deadly. That's why we still got cats and pigs. Also, they are curable and have vaccines for it too.

If the coronavirus and cats and pigs behave like the one we are seeing now, that would have wiped out all cats and pigs years ago. They are in the coronavirus family but different strain.
8 posted on 04/25/2003 2:27:04 AM PDT by FreepForever (China is the hub of all evil)
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To: JohnHuang2

9 posted on 04/25/2003 3:29:58 AM PDT by Jaxter (Proud Republican voter since 1972.)
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To: JohnHuang2

10 posted on 04/25/2003 11:43:05 AM PDT by Prince Charles
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To: JohnHuang2
Duck and pig feces! Sounds like something Geraldo might want to nose around in!! Reminds me of Thanksgiving at PETA!
11 posted on 04/25/2003 11:49:23 AM PDT by Doc Savage
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To: JohnHuang2
I still think SARS was started by a group of people. I can't remember their name, but I think it has something to do with 12 monkeys.
12 posted on 04/25/2003 11:54:43 AM PDT by Nick The Freeper
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To: JohnHuang2
SARS did not mutate from pig feces, nor was a vial dropped inside the lab. It came to earth from the tail of a comet.
13 posted on 04/25/2003 11:57:00 AM PDT by RightWhale (Theorems link concepts; proofs establish links)
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To: JohnHuang2
"Did SARS mutate from duck, pig feces?"
Stop trying to blame everything on Bill and Hillary.
14 posted on 04/25/2003 11:59:56 AM PDT by bobsatwork
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To: bobsatwork
Bwhahahahaha, good one!

I am still nauseated by the thought of anyone eating a fetus!
15 posted on 04/25/2003 12:19:37 PM PDT by Feiny
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To: JohnHuang2
But generally, the fatality rate for the common flu is thought to be about 15 percent, which may be inflated given the incomplete data for the denominator. The fatality rate for SARS, by comparison, is estimated to be running between 4 percent and 10 percent so far.

The number of flu deaths in the U.S. each year is around 36,000, with 35 to 50 million people infected. Taking the worst case numbers, that is still a mortality rate of 0.1%. SARS is at least 5%, which makes SARS at least 50 times more deadly.

Flu does not put most of its sufferers in the hospital for three weeks either.

The article looked pretty good until I got to the hogwash at the end.

16 posted on 04/25/2003 12:22:56 PM PDT by EternalHope (Boycott everything French forever.)
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To: JohnHuang2
But generally, the fatality rate for the common flu is thought to be about 15 percent, which may be inflated given the incomplete data for the denominator.

... Huh!!??

He's kidding, right?

17 posted on 04/25/2003 12:25:24 PM PDT by Gritty
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To: Gritty
About 20% of the population is in the primary risk groups for flu fatalities (the old and the extremely young) so a 15% fatality rate isn't completely out of line. The world is a much more dangerous place than people think.
18 posted on 04/25/2003 12:32:43 PM PDT by discostu (A cow don't make ham)
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To: discostu
a 15% fatality rate isn't completely out of line.

If we had a 15% fatality rate for the flu, it would be one of the most feared killers out there, and coming around nearly every year to boot.

I don't see any evidence of that with the flu, do you?

19 posted on 04/25/2003 1:01:55 PM PDT by Gritty
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To: Gritty
You mean like the annual "WORST FLU EVER" headlines? Or the millions upon millions of dollars we spend on flu vaccines. A 15% fatality rate isn't that big a deal, what makes a disease nasty is it's infectious rate. Something with a 99% fatality rate but a 1% infectious rate is going to kill a lot fewer people than something with a 1% fatality rate and a 99% infectious rate. Most flus don't transmit very well, a relatively small percentage of the population gets them so a even more relatively small percentage of the population dies from it, the fatality rate is just a function of how those small numbers relate to each other. Say you have a static population of 1 million people and 100 of them get disease X and 15 of them die from it, that's a 15% fatality rate but it's nothing to worry about because almost nobody got the disease in the first place.
20 posted on 04/25/2003 1:10:40 PM PDT by discostu (A cow don't make ham)
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