Religious Conservatives Rally behind Santorum

CNSNews.com ^ | 4/25/03 | Christine Hall

[kattracks]

(CNSNews.com) - Religious conservatives are defending comments made by Senate Republican Conference Chairman Rick Santorum (R-Pa.) about a state sodomy law pending before the U.S. Supreme Court.

Santorum said in an interview taped on April 7 by the Associated Press that if the Supreme Court strikes down the Texas law and establishes a constitutional right to "consensual sex within your home, then you have the right to bigamy, you have the right to polygamy, you have the right to incest, you have the right to adultery. You have the right to anything."

He went on to say that the definition of marriage has never included homosexuality, "man on child, man on dog or whatever the case may be."

If the Court rules against the sodomy law, that could undermine the fabric of society, Santorum charged.

The senator has since defended his comments, saying that he was merely using the language and comparisons from a 1996 Supreme Court decision upholding a sodomy law.

"To suggest that my comments, which are the law of the land and were the reason the Supreme Court decided the case in 1986 [Hardwick] are somehow intolerant, I would just argue that it is not," Santorum said on April 23 at a town hall meeting in Williamsport, Pa.

Democrats and liberal groups, like the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee, are calling on Santorum to apologize, resign his office or resign his leadership post. But religious conservatives are supporting Santorum.

"What Senator Santorum did was stand up for the United States Constitution and stand up for the American family and say, this is a really dangerous proposition that the Untied States Supreme Court is considering right now," said Jesse Binnall, a spokesman for Public Advocate of the United States, a family values advocacy group that held a small pro-Santorum rally on Capitol Hill Thursday.

The rally featured about half a dozen activists wearing black-and-white striped prison garb or old-fashioned, English-style police uniforms. The activists sang songs railing against liberal efforts at "thought control" and "intolerance" of Christian conservative views.

The Traditional Values Coalition is leading a petition drive (\ul \ulnone ) in support of Santorum.

Bill Devlin, a Democratic committeeman in the city of Philadelphia and vice president of the Urban Family Council, says liberal critics are playing a political hand in going after Santorum.

"This is character assassination because George Bush is doing so well, there's nothing really they can go after him on," said Devlin.

"Rick Santorum absolutely should not step down," Devlin continued. "This is not another Trent Lott because Trent Lott obviously offended people based upon race, which is unchangeable and morally neutral, whereas Santorum was addressing...sexual behavior, which is changeable [and] morally significant."

But People for the American Way is one of the many liberal groups critical of Santorum's remarks. They demonstrate a "history of hostility toward equal rights for all Americans," said President Ralph G. Neas. "That hostility is reflected in the attitudes of the Republican Party leaders and many of the judicial nominees of President Bush."

Other critics of the Santorum comments include the "gay-straight" Republican Unity Coalition (which includes former President Gerald R. Ford and Mary Cheney, daughter of Vice President Dick Cheney) and the head of one of Utah's biggest polygamist sects, the United Apostolic Brethren, which is based near Salt Lake City.

The Texas case at the center of the controversy, Lawrence v. Texas , involved two men convicted of violating the state's sodomy law. The Supreme Court will decide whether the law violates any constitutional rights to privacy or violates the 14th Amendment equal protection clause by unfairly targeting same-sex couples.

A decision is expected in June.

See Earlier Stories:
'Gay' Activists Target Santorum for Alleged Discrimination (April 23, 2003)
Homosexuals Ask Supreme Court to Strike Down Sodomy Laws (March 27, 2003)

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[Russell Scott]

What ever happened to the "privacy of your own bedroom" argument. I never understood how a major metropolitan street holding a gay pride (whatever that means) parade could be considered a private bedroom. I guess when you’re obsessed with sex, the world is your bedroom. State Capitols too. In California, a homosexual Assemblyman has had the California Assembly pass a law for every PUBLIC employer, telling them they must hire a transvestite, or face up to a $150,000 fine. Somehow I missed that bedroom in my local supermarket. No wonder I have trouble sleeping sometimes. Twenty-five million people in your bedroom can be very distracting. But not to worry, we can sleep well knowing the California Women of the Year is a man who became a women. I'm sure her, I mean him, I mean it, can understand the problems of both genders. Now if I could just get her to remodel the State, and build me my own private bedroom, maybe I can get some sleep.

[f.Christian]

If the constitution would say ...

separation of state and cults (( which it does )) ---

the liberal -- atheists -- specious 'rights' ...

would have to be the first to go !

Main Entry: spe·cious
Pronunciation: 'spE-sh&s
Function: adjective
Etymology: Middle English, visually pleasing, from Latin speciosus beautiful, plausible, from species
Date: 1513
1 obsolete : SHOWY
2 : having deceptive attraction or allure
3 : having a false look of truth or genuineness : SOPHISTIC
- spe·cious·ly adverb
- spe·cious·ness noun

[Conservative Me]

And what "specious" rights do Atheists have? I am truly curious to know what rights Atheists have that you do not.

[Conservative Me]

The main point that I see, not really mentioned here, is this: If we say that anything sexual within the home is "private" among consenting adults, we are then saying that incest, prostitution, etc., are okay.

Does anyone know what prompted the police to the house to begin with?

[f.Christian]

And what "specious" rights do Atheists have?

How about a religous monopoly // tyranny forbidding others to practice their religous rights and liberty !

[Conservative Me]

Total BS...

What are we talking about in public schools? Let me ask you something. Would you be apposed to your children being forced to practice Islam in school? That is, being forced to take part in an Islamic prayer?

The only restrictions that Christians face (and all faiths and lack of faiths INCLUDING Atheism) is that you can not force others to practice your faith in a public forum. Do not be so arrogant to believe that your faith is the only faith and everyone else should just conform.

[f.Christian]

cm ...

can not force others to practice your faith in a public forum.

fc ...

Atheism -- liberals (( bolsheviks )) do all the time ...

how about evolution --- pc secularism -- 'diversity' only and all the time !

[Conservative Me]

lmao

I know this is "conversation" is worthless, BUT evolution is a scientific THEORY. There is plenty of supporting evidence, but it has not been proven. BTW, the "Big Bang" theory could arguably be the same as the Creation theory, and is also taught. I have spoken to many Christians who believe evolution is possible. After all, with God, isn't anything possible?

I am not sure how you are getting pc secularism. Religious indifference isn't taught. As a matter of fact, I couldn't tell you how many times I have been told I am going to hell. Does that seem like tolerance or indifference to you?

Diversity is a good practice, imo, when done within reason. We want to accept those different than us. The US is a melting pot afterall, but to be forced to accept everyone is wrong, and I agree with that aspect.

One thing you should also consider is that it is generally NOT the Atheists who are the ones at faulth. We are usually a silent minority. The people who are pushing the so-called Atheist agenda (which there really isn't one so far as I can tell, other than allowing Athiests the same rights as theists) are the Democrats trying to get votes and be seen as tolerant.

Quite honestly, it seems like you want a Christian state.

[f.Christian]

cm...

I know this is "conversation" is worthless, BUT evolution is a scientific THEORY.

fC...

Atheism and evolution is a cult // religion of liberals -- statist -- social engineers // manipulators !

Do you know the difference between an atheist and an agnostic ?

cm ...

There is plenty of supporting evidence, but it has not been proven. BTW, the "Big Bang" theory could arguably be the same as the Creation theory, and is also taught. I have spoken to many Christians who believe evolution is possible. After all, with God, isn't anything possible?

fC ...

All evo double talk !

God can not lie or bear a false witness !

cm ...

I am not sure how you are getting pc secularism. Religious indifference isn't taught. As a matter of fact, I couldn't tell you how many times I have been told I am going to hell. Does that seem like tolerance or indifference to you?

fC ...

Secularism is atheism a false religion -- cult hostile to the foundation America was founded upon --- theism !

cm...

Diversity is a good practice, imo, when done within reason. We want to accept those different than us. The US is a melting pot afterall, but to be forced to accept everyone is wrong, and I agree with that aspect.

fC ...

most diversity is specious rights alien to the purpose America was founed upon !

mc ...

One thing you should also consider is that it is generally NOT the Atheists who are the ones at faulth. We are usually a silent minority. The people who are pushing the so-called Atheist agenda (which there really isn't one so far as I can tell, other than allowing Athiests the same rights as theists) are the Democrats trying to get votes and be seen as tolerant.

fC ...

"silent minority" ? ? ? ...

Brown shirts --nazis ! ! !

cm ...

Quite honestly, it seems like you want a Christian state.

fC ...

Your BIAS !

To: f.Christian

Dakmar...

I took a few minutes to decipher that post, and I must say I agree with a lot of what you said.

fC...

These were the Classical liberals...founding fathers-PRINCIPLES---stable/SANE scientific reality/society---industrial progress...moral/social character-values(private/personal) GROWTH(limited NON-intrusive PC Govt/religion---schools)!

Dakmar...

Where you and I diverge is on the Evolution/Communism thing. You seem to view Darwin and evolution as the beginning of the end for enlighted, moral civilization, while I think Marx, class struggle, and the "dictatorship of the proletariat" are the true dangers.

God bless you, I think we both have a common enemy in the BRAVE-NWO.

452 posted on 9/7/02 8:54 PM Pacific by Dakmar

[wgeorge2001]

"Quite honestly, it seems like you want a Christian state."

As a Christian, I would be a liar if I didn't want a Christian state; a state run by bible believing Christians who followed God's word, who believed God and His Christ. That would be wonderful.
I know that athiests and Christiandom religionists groups and Islam and other unbeleieving religions are dangerous to mankind because they have no fear of the living God.The seperation of church and state is the lie they use to destroy our constitutional rights and privlidges. Athiests and religionists can never represent Christians and are dangerous to religious freedom; their fruit is generally against every commandment of Jesus Christ.
I believe that the left will move America into athiestic communism incrementally; as it is. They will use hate crime legislation to imprison and punish bible believing Christians once they get sodomy approved of. Today is much like the time of Noah in Genesis 6.

[f.Christian]

To: f.Christian

fC...

Originally the word liberal meant social conservatives(no govt religion--none) who advocated growth and progress---mostly technological(knowledge being absolute/unchanging)based on law--reality... UNDER GOD---the nature of GOD/man/govt. does not change.

LC...

Now I follow, thank you. Actually, I don't disagree with this at all since I see the left as abandoning the uncertianty of democracy and majority rule (( constitutional // law ))** for the assurance technocracy and expert rule (( dictatorship // tyranny ))**.

152 posted on 9/10/02 12:17 PM Pacific by Liberal Classic

** .. .. .. my additions !

Boshevik monopoly (( experts )) ... social // mind engineers ---

Brainwashing (( God // Truth )) -- Indoctrination (( lies // evolution // atheism )) !

Main Entry: tech·no·crat
Pronunciation: 'tek-n&-"krat
Function: noun
Date: 1932
1 : an adherent of technocracy
2 : a technical expert; especially : one exercising managerial authority

Main Entry: tech·noc·ra·cy
Pronunciation: tek-'nä-kr&-sE
Function: noun
Date: circa 1919
: government by technicians; specifically : management of society by technical experts

[f.Christian]

Boshevik monopoly (( experts )) ... social (( behavior )) // mind (( thought )) speech engineers ---

Brainwashing (( God // Truth )) -- Indoctrination (( lies // evolution // atheism )) !



SYLLABICATION: spe·cious

PRONUNCIATION: spshs

ADJECTIVE: 1. Having the ring of truth or plausibility but actually fallacious: a specious argument. 2. Deceptively attractive.

ETYMOLOGY: Middle English, attractive, from Latin specisus, from specis, appearance. See spek- in Appendix I.

OTHER FORMS: specious·ly —ADVERB

speci·osi·ty (-sh-s-t) , specious·ness (-shs-ns) —NOUN

[ckilmer]

From: Gary Bauer

[ckilmer]

Gary Bauer
What Kind Of Country?

For several thousand years of Western civilization, marriage has been
defined as the bringing together of one man and one woman. There is now a concerted, well-funded, well-organized campaign to throw that definition
out and replace it with a new definition that would permit men to marry
men. This fact is what is behind the vicious attack on Senator Rick
Santorum this week. The groups pushing this radical agenda want to make
it illegitimate to resist them and they want the public to equate
resistance to that agenda with bigotry.
Every public opinion poll shows that Americans oppose same-sex marriage by
a 2-to-1 margin. Every referendum to defend traditional marriage has
passed overwhelmingly, even in liberal states like California and Hawaii.
Millions of decent people of all faiths instinctively know that to
redefine marriage in this radical way would have a deep negative impact on
our country.
It has been sad this week to see the leadership of the Republican Party,
which has political power only because of massive support from traditional
pro-family voters, appear so ready to run for cover rather than defend
traditional marriage. Let's hope they find their courage before the
debate erupts in earnest later this summer.

SPECIAL REQUEST: A number of Republican operatives have suggested to me that pro-family voters don't care about this issue. I told them they were
wrong. Please e-mail me your views and I will present them to RNC
officials in person!
garybauer@mail.cwfpac.com

[Conservative Me]

All I can do is laugh...at you. I respect most, but they far far far religious right make me laugh.

YES I know the difference between an agnostic and an atheist. I'm still an atheist. I have my own personal reasons, none of which are your business.

I am glad you found your faith. If it makes your life better that's great. My rejection of faith made my life better.

[Conservative Me]

With all due respect. Atheists may not believe in your God, but that does not mean we do not respect mankind or are "commandment" breakers. Most of us are law abiding citizens. There is such a thing as a moral atheist. I would like to think I am one of them. Faith does not make you a moral person.

The separation of church and state is there to protect your faith as much as it is there to protect my lack of faith. It is not applied equally in some cases, but its general purpose is good.

Our founding fathers were not all Christians. There were also Deists, and at least one Atheist. To say that the US should be a Christian state goes against everything America was founded on.

Your hate crime comment interests me. How is it that hate crimes punish Christians?

[f.Christian]

Creation/God...REFORMATION(Judeo-Christianity)---secular-govt.-humanism/SCIENCE---CIVILIZATION!

Originally the word liberal meant social conservatives(no govt religion--none) who advocated growth and progress---mostly technological(knowledge being absolute/unchanging)based on law--reality... UNDER GOD---the nature of GOD/man/govt. does not change. These were the Classical liberals...founding fathers-PRINCIPLES---stable/SANE scientific reality/society---industrial progress...moral/social character-values

(private/personal) GROWTH(limited NON-intrusive PC Govt/religion---schools)!

Evolution...Atheism-dehumanism---TYRANNY(pc/liberal/govt-religion/rhetoric)...

Then came the SPLIT SCHIZOPHRENIA/ZOMBIE/BRAVE-NWO1984 LIBERAL NEO-Soviet Darwin/ACLU America---the post-modern age of switch-flip-spin-DEFORMITY-cancer...Atheist secular materialists

what atheists do gets uglier !

[f.Christian]

Then came the...

SPLIT SCHIZOPHRENIA/PSYCHO-EVO/NWO Soviet-LIBERAL-Socialist GULAG BOLSHEVIK America---

the post-modern age of switch-flip-spin-DEFORMITY-cancer...

Atheist secular materialists through ATHEISM/evolution CHANGED-REMOVED the foundations...demolished the wall(separation of state/religion)--trampled the TRUTH-GOD...built a satanic temple/SWAMP-MALARIA/RELIGION(cult of darwin-marx-satan) over them---made these absolutes subordinate--relative...

REDACTING them

and calling/CHANGING---

all the... residuals(technology/science) === TO evolution via schlock/sMUCK IDEOLOGY/lies/bias...

to substantiate/justify/validate their efforts--claims...social engineering--PC--atheism...

anti-God/Truth RELIGION(USSC monopoly)---

and declared a crusade/WAR--JIHAD--INTOLERANCE/TYRANNY(breaking the establishment clause)...

against God--man--society/SCIENCE(religious oath-TEST for office/employment)!!

[f.Christian]

All I can do is laugh...at you. I respect most, but they far far far religious right make me laugh.

YES I know the difference between an agnostic and an atheist. I'm still an atheist. I have my own personal reasons, none of which are your business.

All I can do is laugh...at you. I respect most, but they far far far religious right make me laugh.

I am glad you found your faith. If it makes your life better that's great. My rejection of faith made my life better.

All I can do is laugh...at you. I respect most, but they far far far religious right make me laugh.