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To: TomB
Canada's disease isn't unique, it's merely in an advanced stage.

I meant that Canada's disease is the socialised medicine Mr. Steyn was disparaging with his example. You missed the point entirely.

Your entire argument seems to be "this is the way it is in my hospital, therefore, that is the way it is in all hospitals". I smell a logical fallacy.

A logical fallacy would be, "SARS has been in both countries (for all of a month or so mind you) and because they have had an outbreak and we haven't (that we know of) our SYSTEM is better."

My point was, Canada's SYSTEM is merely an advanced stage of ours. By the time you add up Medicare, Medicaid, MediCal, and the manner in which HMOs such as Kaiser operate, they are all too similar.

Further, my vignette was to point out that the litany of errors Mr. Steyn described is a series of events that are entirely LIKELY in a US hospital and my examples span from the best to the worst. Your "proof" was no proof, and now is not the time to be smug about any perceived superiority in US healthcare. It may be real, but in my judgment as one experienced in infection control, that difference is insufficient to prevent a serious outbreak of SARS in the US.

77 posted on 04/26/2003 8:52:53 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (California! See how low WE can go!)
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To: Carry_Okie
A logical fallacy would be, "SARS has been in both countries (for all of a month or so mind you) and because they have had an outbreak and we haven't (that we know of) our SYSTEM is better."

What logical fallacy would that be? I'm comparing two systems under the exact same situation at the exact same frame that have essentially two different outcomes, I fail to see any logical disconnect there.

Further, my vignette was to point out that the litany of errors Mr. Steyn described is a series of events that are entirely LIKELY in a US hospital and my examples span from the best to the worst.

How does your single story prove that those events are in any way LIKELY? You story proves that the situation can and does occur, but it in no way proves it is LIKELY.

Your "proof" was no proof, and now is not the time to be smug about any perceived superiority in US healthcare.

You seem to be of the opinion that if you say something enough, it is true. You continue to say that since you had a certain experience, that experience is happening in most hospitals in this country. This is nonsense. Likewise, I show numbers from the CDC about the infection rate in this country and you say it doesn't prove anything. Well....why? You can' just ignore the numbers and say they aren't proof because they don't fit your notions.

79 posted on 04/26/2003 10:11:18 AM PDT by TomB
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