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To: ex-Texan
So the teams are forced to play in Toronto in front of empty seats and then contract the disease ... and take it home to their own cities.

By your logic the disease should have felled the Philadelphia Flyers. Let's get a grip, folks.

The outbreak in Toronto is traceable back to a single source and has not broken out of the original contact groups. The people who died are almost all elderly people with prior significant health conditions. Should people not travel to an American city during a bad flu outbreak when elderly folks are dying? Toronto is a huge city of 3 million people and significantly more walking traffic in the downtown than any U.S. city save NYC and maybe Chicago, and keep in mind downtown Toronto doesn't roll up the sidewalks at night like many U.S. cities. There have been no new cases identified outside the initial exposure group in the past week or so. Outside of the hospitals/clinics and a few panicky areas of the Chinese community north of the city you'd be hard pressed to see anyone wearing a mask.

The precautions being taken are extreme. A friend of mine is a PhD in immunology doing research at Sunnybrook Health Sciences...one of the hospitals that locked down their emergency ward. She's in a separate building with it's own ventilation system and the steps she has to go through upon entering and leaving the building are rigid, as they should be for precaution's sake.

People wonder why we had deaths here and none or few elsewhere (outside China). The reason might be that we were the first jump off point for the infection and it did look very much like a simple bad flu bug when first spotted, so yes some errors of judgement were made. The situation changed very rapidly though once the nature of the threat was realized, only a matter of days since the first cases appeared. This enabled Canadian health professionals, who are no slouches when it comes to bio research, to sound an international alarm and give other countries a heads up. No one knew what Legionnaires didease was when it first appeared, either, and it's effect was quite deadly. We're figuratively lucky that the first place in North America to get hit was a major metropolitan area with large numbers of research and teaching hospitals...if this would have occurred in my small home town on the other hand the situation may have been somewhat different.

As for the mutations, that is one thing that has med pros concerned, but the reason could be, according to my aforementioned friend, be easily explainable. If a corona virus were to splice with a common flu virus the effect could be like a random number generator inserted into the gene sequence. Troubling but not necessarily inconquerable.

Bottom line: Much of what has been reported in the media is little more than panicky scare hype. Chicken Little's everywhere. Quarantine IS working and previously healthy patients are recovering. Many foreign media types that have come to Toronto are finding the reality very different than they expected.

I don't mean to downplay the severity of the disease, and I do fear for what will happen in China and the third world if this thing gets out of hand. But even the CDC who has folks on the scene up here said the WHO announcement was over the edge. Personally, I'll trust the experts from CDC-Atlanta than some U.N. toadies on a panel in Geneva who didn't even talk to anyone locally before they came out with their travel warning. There is suspician that they were under pressure from China to make this move to take the focus away from Hong Kong and the mainland. This is not impossible...China is getting raked over the coals in east Asia by neighbors who are furious they sat on the problem for as long as they did, and then blatently lied when caught out.

Toronto is safe. I don't have SARS. I have the same condition my (Chinese) doctor has - SARRP - Severe Allergic Reaction to Panicky People.

Nice weekend all!

26 posted on 04/25/2003 9:17:42 AM PDT by mitchbert (Facts are Stubborn Things)
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To: mitchbert
Ditto....SARS in Toronto is not spreading; China, however, is a different story...of course, China is basically a third-world country where the people are packed in like sardines and hygine is poor.
29 posted on 04/25/2003 9:21:58 AM PDT by ContemptofCourt
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To: mitchbert
SARS is serious. The death rate increases ~1.8 for every decade of life of those who have it.
That is unusual.

In the flu, etc., it is in the old and the infirmed,
those fighting devastating diseases, who succumb.
This is more serious. It effects workers. That is unusual.

Like the weaponized Anthrax and possibly West NileFever
one might reasonably take it very seriously.

33 posted on 04/25/2003 9:52:42 AM PDT by Diogenesis (If you mess with one of us, you mess with all of us.)
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To: mitchbert
By your logic the disease should have felled the Philadelphia Flyers. Let's get a grip, folks.

It appears the latest mutation causes rapid hemorrhaging within the Maple Leafs' defensive zone, and extreme malaise in the net...

42 posted on 04/25/2003 11:00:41 AM PDT by NittanyLion
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To: mitchbert
"The outbreak in Toronto is traceable back to a single source and has not broken out of the original contact groups. The people who died are almost all elderly people with prior significant health conditions. Should people not travel to an American city during a bad flu..."

Tell it, brother, but don't expect certain panicky / Canada-hating people here to get it. For some it's just a chance to grind their axe against Canada's socialized health care. For others it's a chance to futher their grudge against Canada for not supporting the invasian of Iraq. Some sick bastards even seem quite gleeful about it.

Having read the Mark Steyn article on the subject, I believe he may be correct that our system dropped the ball in the early days of this outbreak, and that may be due to some problems in our socialized health care system. Still, for the most part once SARS was recognized for the danger it is, it had been treated pretty seriously here, and further transmission seems to have stopped now. Yes, some people may have broken their voluntary quarantine, but I doubt if public health authorities anywhere in the western world were ready to forcibly quarantine suspected cases. Once this is past and we reexamine events, that may change for future cases.

Did you see the Steyn piece on this subject, btw? Find it here: http://www.nationalpost.com/commentary/story.html?id=88370F42-163E-4959-9867-00F390C7368C
Is he correct, or is he just grinding his axe?
46 posted on 04/25/2003 11:10:14 AM PDT by -YYZ-
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To: mitchbert
Your post makes me think of the Chinese woman who was pregnant who died from SARS last week. She and her husband lived in the hard hit apartment complex. She was only 33, however pregnancy lowers your immune system, mainly so the female body won't attack the infant which is half biologically the fathers. They gave her an immediate C-section to save the baby--she died, her husband recovered. Her immune system compromised by pregnancy=death, her husband healthy=recovery. Many of the seemingly "healthy" 30's and 40's dying may have had compromised immune systems in some way, even if they were just recovering from another minor illness. I can tell you that when I was pregnant with my son I got a wicked case of bronchitis which only manifested itself as a mild cold in the rest of my family. My psorisis that is aggrevated by an overactive immune system is all but gone when my immune system is suppressed in pregnancy too. I think the suppressed immune system is why pregnant women are encouraged to get a flu shot if a certain portion of their pregnancy will occur during flu season. I'm no immunologist, but just elaborating on some specific instances.
48 posted on 04/25/2003 11:45:48 AM PDT by glory
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To: mitchbert
"The outbreak in Toronto is traceable back to a single source and has not broken out of the original contact groups."

Sounds like what china was saying last week

65 posted on 04/25/2003 2:05:09 PM PDT by CJ Wolf (Don't believe the socialists, it's time to panic!)
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To: mitchbert
Thank you for posting your information. Speculation and ethnocentrisim do seem to run amuck at times.

I would like to mention that if the precautions being taken for SARS would have been applied in the early days of HIV-AIDS things might be a bit different. Something for contemplation.

71 posted on 04/25/2003 3:11:29 PM PDT by Khurkris (Ranger On...)
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To: mitchbert
...and there's still those people who play Russian roulette and 83% survive the first round..

So what's a mere 5% chance of death upon contraction, besides the world needs less people that live precariously.

Darwin guinea pigs unite, feed the worms!
130 posted on 04/26/2003 1:29:11 AM PDT by Rain-maker
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