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To: Dada Orwell
If all the gunowners in all the states moved to a single state, their voice in government would be limited to two senators and a handful of congressman.

Please explain why that's a good thing.
31 posted on 04/28/2003 8:22:57 AM PDT by Shooter 2.5 (Don't punch holes in the lifeboat)
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To: Shooter 2.5
"If all the gunowners in all the states moved to a single state, their voice in government would be limited to two senators and a handful of congressman."

Take a good look at what you just typed. Those words show just what a lifetime of brainwashing can do. You have evidently forgotten about local government, from cities and counties to the state level.

I've signed up for the FSP because I truly believe it's a last-gasp effort to avoid armed rebellion, but I'm not so starry-eyed as to believe it'll work. I hope it does, because the alternative is too terrible to even contemplate. But no one in the FSP has any intention of changing the makeup of congress by altering the voting pattern of a single state. What we do think we could do though is change the way one particular state does business.  If we were successful in that, perhaps the neighboring states would see the improvement and copy some of the new ways. If enough states follow the lead... Well, maybe we could change congress-- eventually.

42 posted on 04/28/2003 8:54:20 AM PDT by oldfart
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To: Shooter 2.5
Shooter 2.5 wrote: If all the gunowners in all the states moved to a single state, their voice in government would be limited to two senators and a handful of congressmen. Please explain why that's a good thing.

First, as "oldfart" wrote above, there are a LOT of freedoms we used to have which have been taken by local and state governments. See again my link above to Changing State Government from the Bottom Up . As a city councilman, I know the list of local and state infringements is so long compared to two hundred years ago or even fifty years ago that I'd exceed the post length limit here. If you ever tried construction or home repair or starting even the smallest business you would know what I mean -- and that's just a start of all the permits, fees, regulations, licenses, etc. imposed by state and local governments. Fireworks, lawns, old cars, animals, and clotheslines are just the tip of the iceberg of more infringements. Go read a set of city ordinances and state statutes. You will be appalled at what our local and state governments have done to us. And then there are school boards and what the schools are doing to our kids. Those are controlled from the local and state levels too. But those local and state infringements can be changed from the bottom up!

What can two US Senators do? They can filibuster all year if they have to against gun control bills and other infringements of our Bill of Rights. What can one US Representative do? She or he can keep us informed about what Congress is up to. Information, especially inside information, is invaluable to any effort to prevent further infringements of our rights.

Otherwise, generally from a federal standpoint, we are outnumbered. BUT, again the states and local county governments, especially in the West, can make and have made federal infringements of the Bill of Rights quite difficult. When the JBT's come to call, wouldn't you rather have the sheriff and his or her deputies and the state troopers on your side standing between you and the feds? And they, in turn, backed up by a majority of the state's voters who insist on the original Constitutional interpretations of STATES' RIGHTS!

52 posted on 04/28/2003 10:04:57 AM PDT by Solitar ("My aim is not to pass laws, but to repeal them." -- Barry Goldwater)
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