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I may be jumping in the deep end here but here goes anyway...

I agree with Hank, just because a vast majority of the population doesn't get something, is that a reason to say it is not valid or true? We all agree that calculus is real right? Not to be harsh, but a huge majority of the populace just walks around stealing oxygen from others, not that these people are not valuable, I mean hell we have o laugh at someone. I believe everyone takes a little of a philosophy or religon or dogma and crafts it for themselves and their situation. I look at myself as part of the world and that community...but I live my life by my own moral code. As long as my life and the way I live it do not harm others...what is the issue? If you break Rand down to the nitty gritty....that's what she is saying.

It seems to me that the conservatives who despise Rand are the Morality police, religous nuts..."live your life my way or your going to hell"(whatever that might be)folks that will continue to turn more tolerant people off from our cause.

I guess I could be considered a religious nut because I do take the bible literally. But I also agree with Rand on many issues.But those who agree with her rabidly tend to make her out to be a god of sorts. She was simply a human being with ideas and with faults. She couldn't give you a line between right and wrong because she didn't draw one herself and yet she claimed the line was drawn between rational and irrational actions.

There are times that we can act believing at the moment that our actions are perfectly rational. It is when we look back that we see that they were quite irrational. We can also see in hindsight those who were hurt by those actions. There are flaws in objectivism just as there are flaws in all philosophies. Moral relativism being the greatest.

"I may be jumping in the deep end here but here goes anyway...
....It seems to me that the conservatives who despise Rand are the Morality police, religous nuts..."live your life my way or your going to hell"(whatever that might be)folks that will continue to turn more tolerant people off from our cause."

Your post made more sense than any so far. Straight, to the point and in English.

The problem with intellectuals is that they feel the need to obfuscate their rhetoric with excessive and grandiose verbiage. (and they like to hear themselves talk). If people are trying to make a point, then make it, and move on.

In comparison, you have struck to the heart of the matter with a few simple words. As they say in the tobacco chewin' belt, " You ain't got yer good stuff, but yer still pitchin' strikes."
If people find their happiness with like minded people, then all the power to them, just don't come down the street to try and cram it down my throat.

Freedom is not a right, it is a responsibility, and cannot harm others, or infringe on another's freedom. It is the pursuit of freedom that is a right.

As far as God goes, each person has to face Him alone, and your church parking permit ain't gonna help you. It's not where you park your car, its how you drive it.