Iraq War's Impact Spreads in Arab World

AP | 5/03/03 | PAUL GEITNER

[caltrop]

Great quotes. I'm particularly pleased to see the first Yamamoto quote which I hadn't seen in print before.

[green team 1999]

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[George W. Bush]

...while militants in the streets of Cairo and Amman predict a wave of new recruits to fight the American occupiers and their supporters.

Bring them on. Please.

I think they'll think twice when they observe how few of the foreign fighters returned from Iraq. And where will they train them? And who is willing to fund them?

It just isn't that easy to sponsor terrorism these days.

[Filibuster_60]

"Whatever it takes" is nothing short of "we'll go to war."

Well apparently the Chinese haven't gotten the message. I guess they've always assumed that we'll try to get involved anyway, which is the principal motivation for their nuclear/ICBM buildup.

[George W. Bush]

Too bad the Arabs didn't remember what Yamamoto said after the attack on Pearl Harbor, "We have awoken the sleeping giant."

I've quoted this myself a number of times recently because it so aptly describes the change in American attitude. But upon further research, it seems there is no basis for it as history and can only be traced to the 1970 war film, Tora, Tora, Tora. At least, that's what the historians say. The historians say that Yamamoto actually was thrilled with the attack on Pearl and wrote a poem of celebration to the emperor and didn't reconsider the wisdom of attacking America until much later.

Too bad. It was such a good story. Probably belongs on snopes.com.

[pierrem15]

it's an open question about whether for better or worse

Only for those suffering from Journaline Spongiform Encephalopathy, which results in complete atrophy of the "right" portion of the brain.

[George W. Bush]

You didn't produce any credible sources for attributing this remark to Yamamoto.

The historians at the Park Service's memorial in Pearl Harbor specifically deny it has any historical basis. They say it became "instant history" after the Tora Tora Tora movie.

Too bad. Such a useful quote. But it belongs on snopes.com.

[Teetop]

Oh, I now see the New Hampshire Republican Alliance isn't credible now...oooooooooooooook!

[boris]

``The U.S. doesn't need to invade any more countries,''

No, but there's quite a few who need to meet Mr. Atom.

[George W. Bush]

Oh, I now see the New Hampshire Republican Alliance isn't credible now...oooooooooooooook!

I'm sure they're very nice people but they're not historians. To what source do they attribute their quote? Where are the Japanese officers and sailors who heard him say it? Where are the military histories from Japan which quote him saying this phrase?

Next.

[Teetop]

I suppose the Army AND Fort Leavenworth hasn't checked this quote out at all...

Game, Set and Match!

Next!

"I fear that all we have done is awaken a sleeping giant, and fill it with a terrible resolve."

-Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto, December 7, 1941

http://www.leavenworth.army.mil/tpioabcs/quote.htm

[LS]

They can "build up" all they want. But they know that they better not attempt anything funny.

[Teetop]

I think all the Arabs are afraid of what we might do next. Personally, I like them thinking that. They know we are pi**ed off now.

Intresting how the DOJ report just out said that terrorism was at a level comparable to the 1960's.

[EaglesUpForever]

So, where's the "worse"?

Well, think of poor Daschle. He must be deeply saddened. And Galloway, his career is over. And those poor families of the homicide bombers. A dark time for some people...

[George W. Bush]

I suppose the Army AND Fort Leavenworth hasn't checked this quote out at all...

From their website: "The mission of the TPIO-ABCS is two fold. It serves as the Army's centralized manager and integrator of the Army Battle Command System to ensure horizontal and vertical information flow across the battlespace at each echelon. Additionally, it defines and/or integrates all battle command requirements and responsibilities from the theater Army to the individual soldier or platform." - TRADROC PROGRAM INTEGRATION OFFICE ARMY BATTLE COMMAND SYSTEM

This is not a military college, there are no military historians on staff. The "quote" is not attributed and I notice they are publishing many other "quotes" which are listed as anonymous sources. Of course, an anonymous quote is a true oxymoron, something that doesn't speak well for the scholarship on the quotes page. The quotes page is obviously an amateur effort, locally produced and consumed, not any sort of authoritative source by Army specialists or military historians.

Game, set, match? Try again. Why don't you find me a source from an instructor at the War College or at West Point. Or any professional historian.

[Ernest_at_the_Beach]

Good news here!

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[LS]

Depending on what sources you use, and what year you start with, "terrorism" either rose or fell in Reagan's terms. But I think there is no question that his bombing of Libya sent an unmistakeable message to THAT country, and we really haven't heard from ol' crazy eyes Khadaffi. There is a definite strategery here in keeping all these lumatics off balance.

[snopercod]

This thread is almost like the olden days of FR. On a weekend, too!

[Cordova Belle]

it's an open question about whether for better or worse

The print journalist's equivalent of the TV reporter's "...only time will tell..."

[Cordova Belle]

Then he went into a saloon and killed two other guys. One of the town's people went to the deputy and said Dillon had to be arrested.

Dillon was the Marshall.