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Unlocking The Matrix [SPOILERS]
Time Magazine ^ | May 12,2003 Issue | RICHARD CORLISS

Posted on 05/04/2003 1:27:57 PM PDT by Captain Peter Blood

Flanked by Trinity and Morpheus, Neo meets the Merovingian and his luscious wife Persephone (Monica Bellucci). The Merovingian is a Frenchman out of the Bush Administration bestiary: cruel, supercilious, with a love of cursing in French—which he describes as like "wiping your ass with silk." He refuses to release the Key Maker.

(Excerpt) Read more at time.com ...


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This is an excerpt from Time Magazine on the new "Matrix" Movies coming out. AS I was reading this review I came upon this paragraph and I about flipped out. Although these kind of camparisons are nothing new it just goes to illustrate the kind of Liberal-Left Wing Hate of the President and his Administration with this kind of childish diatribe, You can hit the URL for the complete Review of the Movie.
1 posted on 05/04/2003 1:27:57 PM PDT by Captain Peter Blood
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To: Captain Peter Blood
You think that's bad...check out all the reviews of the new X-men movie that compares the Mutant Registration Act to the Patriot Act....
2 posted on 05/04/2003 1:36:20 PM PDT by Brian Mosely
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To: Brian Mosely
Mutant Registration Act

So to the liberals, if you have super human powers, you're not as much of a public menace as a gun owner, eh?

3 posted on 05/04/2003 1:58:49 PM PDT by pierrem15
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To: Captain Peter Blood
ARGH

I shouldn't have read this. I really shouldn't have.

No, it's not the spoilers that are the reason I should not have.

Some of their actors are also reluctant to break the code. Fishburne: "I can't talk to you about them." (The brothers not only created a cult, they practically are one.) Others are less guarded. "They're not comic-book nerds," Pinkett Smith avers. "They're intellectuals. These cats study. Larry reads everything! When you think you've got him figured out, he pops something else out on you, like ... Cornel West!?"

Larry was such a fan of West's books Prophesy Deliverance and Race Matters that he wrote a role for West in Reloaded. So last April, the Princeton professor flew to Sydney to play Councillor West in an action blockbuster. For the teacher, it was quite an education.

I will never respect The Matrix again.
4 posted on 05/04/2003 2:28:34 PM PDT by William McKinley (You're so vain, you probably think this tagline's about you)
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To: Brian Mosely
Remember the first X-Men movie? The political villan was a Republican Senator from Kansas named Bob.
5 posted on 05/04/2003 2:35:39 PM PDT by El Sordo
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To: Registered
See #4. Tell me it ain't so!
6 posted on 05/04/2003 2:38:19 PM PDT by William McKinley (You're so vain, you probably think this tagline's about you)
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To: pierrem15
Line from 1st X-men movie (from memory)

Senaotr Kelly: (on phone) But Senator, you favor gun registration don't you? Well, some of these kids posesses 10 times the power of any handgun.....no, I don't see a difference, all I see are weapons in our schools...
7 posted on 05/04/2003 2:47:32 PM PDT by Brian Mosely
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To: William McKinley
If Cornel West has a part, I will not view the movie.

And today was a good day...

8 posted on 05/04/2003 2:49:22 PM PDT by rdb3 (Nerve-racking since 0413hrs on XII-XXII-MCMLXXI)
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To: Captain Peter Blood
Man the twist at the end is going to set off a lot of people..
10 posted on 05/04/2003 5:20:36 PM PDT by ewing
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To: ewing
Why is it any worse than "Luke, I am your Father."

I can't believe I read those dang spoilers. I just can't control myself.

11 posted on 05/04/2003 7:07:14 PM PDT by GunRunner
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To: GunRunner
Me too, I now wish I didnt know..
12 posted on 05/04/2003 7:09:54 PM PDT by ewing
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To: Captain Peter Blood
The Matrix also caught the wrathful attention of moral watchdogs when the fatal shootings at Columbine High School occurred a few weeks after the movie's opening, and it appeared that the two perpetrating teens had seen the film—as had 15 million people who didn't kill anyone.

Paging Michael Moore.

13 posted on 05/04/2003 7:14:33 PM PDT by Petronski (I'm not always cranky.)
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To: ewing
What I'm wondering is how they are going to get around the fact that the lady who played the Oracle died recently. If she is the so called "Mother of the Matrix" and has deceived everyone, then she must have to play a large part in the next film. I wonder if they'll cast someone new or attempt to use FX to recreate her character.
14 posted on 05/04/2003 7:16:43 PM PDT by GunRunner
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To: GunRunner
I think she died after filming one of the sequels..
15 posted on 05/04/2003 7:21:20 PM PDT by ewing
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To: Captain Peter Blood
I was just watching "Charlie Rose" with the Matrix cast. You'd think these people had just invented the Greatest Religion in the Universe the way they went on about themselves.

Hey, Keanu, Carrie and Laurence....get over yourselves. It's just a movie. You are not our saviors. Big LOL!

16 posted on 05/14/2003 12:48:42 AM PDT by vikingchick
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To: vikingchick
Well, if the story is that the rebellion ITSELF is part of the Matrix, then they REALLY aren't our saviors.

That's kind of a hopeless conclusion and quite dismal.

It fits in much more with Eastern religions than the West, well except gnosticism. If the entire world is a big deception, from the POV of the movie, then the entire trilogy is a big waste.

Darth was Luke's dad, but at least all the characters' actions MEANT something. If everyone in the rebellion are fools, it renders all their actions and all their sacrifices meaningless.

Kind of like a bad series finale, where someone wakes up and discovers it was really just a dream.
17 posted on 05/14/2003 1:20:56 AM PDT by Skywalk
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To: Petronski
Oh and the problem some people had with the Matrix wasn't the overall level of violence, but the scene where Neo and Trinity cooly slaughter unwitting security guards. Not a touch of remorse, not a hint that their lives were valuable, no ATTEMPT to find a way to avoid taking the lives of people who did not know the role they were playing.

Nope, just slaughter them with cool looks and black sunglasses. For all the myth those involved with the Matrix invoke, I don't see where THAT type of action fits in with any myth I respect.
18 posted on 05/14/2003 1:25:06 AM PDT by Skywalk
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To: William McKinley; rdb3
Will you two get over yourselves!

It's a Hollywood movie, with hundreds of people collaborating. Who cares if one of them is an overrated academic that Harvard had the good sense to kiss goodbye?

Me, I'm enjoying the web site Warner Bros. put together for the Matrix.

In addition to being handsomely designed with lots of eye candy (including animated mini-films), it has some thought-provoking essays that touch on philosophical questions here.

I especially enjoyed the one called What's so bad about living inside the Matrix? by James Pryor.

19 posted on 05/14/2003 1:44:41 AM PDT by tictoc (On FreeRepublic, discussion is a contact sport.)
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To: tictoc
Will you two get over yourselves!

It's a Hollywood movie, with hundreds of people collaborating. Who cares if one of them is an overrated academic that Harvard had the good sense to kiss goodbye?

Again, if Cornel West has a part in this movie, I refuse to see it.

20 posted on 05/14/2003 3:16:08 AM PDT by rdb3 (Nerve-racking since 0413hrs on XII-XXII-MCMLXXI)
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To: tictoc
Get over myself, because I would boycott something over the dispicable Cornell West?

What a strange reaction on your part.

21 posted on 05/14/2003 3:20:54 AM PDT by William McKinley
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To: vikingchick
get over yourselves. It's just a movie.

I saw it.
Thought..."Nice sound effects...too much Kung Fu".

I don't get the cult following.
(Though I never "got" Star Wars either....nice Saturday Matinee Movie...nothing to write home about IMO)

22 posted on 05/14/2003 2:53:08 PM PDT by eddie willers
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To: eddie willers
too much Kung Fu It looks like it from the trailers. I can only take so much.
23 posted on 05/14/2003 6:40:44 PM PDT by vikingchick
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To: All
Did anyone see the Matrix thread the other day "new MATRIX movie disses the President"? It has been pulled, but I was wondering if there was any truth to it. Given that it was pulled, I tend to think it wasnt, but I dont want to spend money on this movie if it is true.

The gist of the thread was about a scene where they are talking about the worst people of humanity or something like that, with TV screens in the background showing some of the people they consider the worst. The TV screens show Hitler and Bush, maybe more. Can anyone confirm if this is true or not??

24 posted on 05/15/2003 5:55:25 AM PDT by Tatze (Give Pizza Chants!)
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To: Tatze
The TV screens show Hitler and Bush, maybe more. Can anyone confirm if this is true or not??

Harry Knowles' review over at AICN mentions it.

25 posted on 05/15/2003 7:37:37 AM PDT by Pelayo
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To: William McKinley
I just saw Reloaded last night. I thought that was Cornell West. How disturbing.

BTW...Reloaded is not Matrix. I didn't care for it. The fight scenes were so long, I thought I was watching a music video. It was weird. There's a Zion orgy scene that kind of turned me off too. That's not Matrix. It was just weird.

Did I mention it was weird?

26 posted on 05/15/2003 9:53:24 AM PDT by scoopscandal
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To: Skywalk
Oh and the problem some people had with the Matrix wasn't the overall level of violence, but the scene where Neo and Trinity cooly slaughter unwitting security guards.

Yeah, that bothered me, too. There is a scene in Goldeneye that I had a similar reaction to. James Bond gunning down Soviet soldiers and agents trying to kill him is one thing. James Bond gunning down a bunch of Russian police officers just doing their job is another.

27 posted on 05/15/2003 11:53:36 AM PDT by Question_Assumptions
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To: Question_Assumptions
>Oh and the problem some people had with the Matrix wasn't the overall level of violence, but the scene where Neo and Trinity cooly slaughter unwitting security guards.

That scene is an Al-Queda blueprint attack on an office building in the US. What is more disturbing is that scene is preceeded by a depiction of an aircraft crashing into a skyscraper. Looked cool when it first came out. After 9-11, terrorists (which is what Morpheus is) aren't so cool.

28 posted on 05/15/2003 12:07:18 PM PDT by Dialup Llama
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To: Dialup Llama
Compare the actions of Luke in Jabba's palace, giving Jabba several chances to hand over Han Solo without getting killed, and how he dealt with his father(non-violence and persuasion first) to Neo and Trinity's cold-hearted slaughter of innocent security guards.

Or more recently, compare the Terminator in T2 disabling police without killing them to that.

I can't stomach a story where the hero has no regard for people he should know are innocent of the evil that he targets.
29 posted on 05/15/2003 1:45:38 PM PDT by Skywalk
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To: Skywalk
Oh and the problem some people had with the Matrix wasn't the overall level of violence, but the scene where Neo and Trinity cooly slaughter unwitting security guards. Not a touch of remorse, not a hint that their lives were valuable, no ATTEMPT to find a way to avoid taking the lives of people who did not know the role they were playing.

Well they may not have shown any remorse which is disturbing but, if you follow the explanation of the nature of the Matrix in the first movie, you would know that they don't really have the option of trying to save them. Because anyone of them could become an Agent at any time, they need to kill them quickly before it becomes impossible. They couldn't just give them all red pills, because that would take to long and as Morpheus explained it's not safe to disconnect someone who's fully grown anyway. All the pain they caused the guards was technically illusory anyway, all Neo and Trinity actually did was shut down their minds.

30 posted on 05/15/2003 3:16:35 PM PDT by Pelayo
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To: Tatze
Did anyone see the Matrix thread the other day "new MATRIX movie disses the President"? It has been pulled, but I was wondering if there was any truth to it. Given that it was pulled, I tend to think it wasnt, but I dont want to spend money on this movie if it is true.

Yes. George W. Bush flashes on the screen right after Mussolini and Hitler. I've just returned from seeing the movie. The worst part is that I wasn't even watching for the controversial moment: it's that easy to pick out.
However I'm in Canada. Perhaps it was pulled only from American viewings?

31 posted on 05/15/2003 6:08:45 PM PDT by Ipberg
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To: Ipberg
Can anyone else verify this? If this is true, it would be unprecedented that a movie would label a SITTING President in those terms.
32 posted on 05/15/2003 8:08:39 PM PDT by Hildy
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To: Captain Peter Blood
Stephen Hawking's A Brief History of Time tells the story of a cosmologist whose speech is interrupted by a little old lady who informs him that the universe rests on the back of a turtle. "Ah, yes, madame," the scientist replies, "but what does the turtle rest on?" The old lady shoots back: "You can't trick me, young man. It's nothing but turtles, turtles, turtles, all the way down."
33 posted on 05/15/2003 8:12:01 PM PDT by paulklenk
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To: Hildy


Don't ask me how they got the captures.

34 posted on 05/15/2003 11:43:11 PM PDT by chichipow
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To: Tatze
A thread was pulled!?!?!?

I hope just because it was a duplicate.

Hey folks, help me out and throw me some links on this Matrix Hitler/Bush B.S.

See my post here:

Matrix Reloaded. Has Anybody seen it?
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On News/Activism 05/15/2003 10:59 PM PDT #12 of 18

35 posted on 05/16/2003 1:05:39 AM PDT by LayoutGuru2 (Call me paranoid but finding '/*' inside this comment makes me suspicious)
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To: LayoutGuru2
new MATRIX movie disses the President

This thread has been pulled.
Pulled on 05/13/2003 7:16 PM EDT by Admin Moderator, reason:

Please do not post from DU here. Thanks.


36 posted on 05/16/2003 7:30:47 AM PDT by Tatze (Give Pizza Chants!)
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To: Ipberg
The images werent pulled from the movie, the thread on FR that exposed it was pulled.
37 posted on 05/16/2003 7:32:20 AM PDT by Tatze (Give Pizza Chants!)
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To: Tatze
And the Admin Mod now censors exposes? Wow I have in mind things to say about this foolishness but I don't want to get banned from here. Is he sure it came from DU? Even if it was, why wouldn't we want to know what the enemy is thinking? Something doesn't compute here.
38 posted on 05/16/2003 7:36:55 AM PDT by goldstategop ( In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: goldstategop
In general, they dont like repost's from DU (DummiesUnlimited). But it didnt seem like it was from there, and the subject matter, Im sure, was of interest to people here.

Im now trying to decide if I want to support this movie. The original was great and Ive been anticipating the sequels, but I may just be too disgusted to go see it.
39 posted on 05/16/2003 8:11:44 AM PDT by Tatze (Give Pizza Chants!)
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To: Hildy; Ipberg
I don't remember the images on the screen being anything negative in particular... it was just a jumble of historical images. I don't think it was a slam on Bush (or if it was, it was a pitifully weak one).
40 posted on 05/16/2003 10:42:05 AM PDT by Sloth ("I feel like I'm taking crazy pills!" -- Jacobim Mugatu, 'Zoolander')
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To: Dialup Llama
'That scene is an Al-Queda blueprint attack on an office building in the US'

So how are they gonna do the cool back flips and such?
41 posted on 05/17/2003 10:27:29 AM PDT by Bogey78O (check it out... http://freepers.zill.net/users/bogey78o_fr/puppet.swf)
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To: Sloth
It was definately an attack on the current President Bush. I saw it the night it came out in the US, and it was clearly recognizable that it was him. Although it was not up long, it was safe to say that over half the audience recognized the dig at the President as well as the context that it was in--that President Bush was a negative part of human history. A rather childish attack IMO.
42 posted on 05/17/2003 2:13:40 PM PDT by homefield
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To: homefield
...that President Bush was a negative part of human history. A rather childish attack IMO.

Childish? You dont thay.

How 'bout damnable, corrupt, malevolent, destructive, heinous, obscene, malicious, revolting, viscious, or just plain wrong.

43 posted on 05/17/2003 2:27:01 PM PDT by cilbupeR_eerF
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To: Bogey78O
>>'That scene is an Al-Queda blueprint attack on an office building in the US'
>So how are they gonna do the cool back flips and such?

Have you ever heard of anyone getting shot while doing a cartwheel? Of course not. One of the rules of Hong Kong martial arts films is that doing cartwheels protects you from bullets.

44 posted on 05/17/2003 5:25:23 PM PDT by Dialup Llama
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To: homefield
Paranoid.
45 posted on 05/17/2003 6:32:30 PM PDT by Sloth ("I feel like I'm taking crazy pills!" -- Jacobim Mugatu, 'Zoolander')
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To: Skywalk
I disagree. It fits in better with Christianity. Jesus came to show us that the material world is not real. That is, there is no physical law. That is why he walked on water. That is why he healed. That is why he raised himself from the dead.

Jesus did not want to be worshipped. He was the Way-shower.

Neo does the same, shows physical laws are not real, but an illusion of the clouded mind.

Buddhism does not have a resurrection.
46 posted on 05/17/2003 7:47:25 PM PDT by Treeless Branch
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To: Treeless Branch
"Jesus came to show us that the material world is not real. That is, there is no physical law. That is why he walked on water. That is why he healed. That is why he raised himself from the dead.

Jesus did not want to be worshipped."

You're wrong. The miracles proved that He is Lord over the material world. There is physical law -- it's just that God is not bound by it. You need to read the Bible from authorial intent, not from your new-age perspective.

Of course Jesus wants to be worshiped -- that's the whole point of John 3, especially verse 14.

47 posted on 05/17/2003 8:16:12 PM PDT by scott7278 (Four more years! Four more years!)
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To: scott7278
Jesus said: Do not worship me, worship the one who sent me.
Jesus called people who followed God's law his brothers.
The first sentence is clear. Re the 2nd one, people do not worship their brothers.

You must have a "New age" definition of physical law if you truly claim it can be broken. Jesus said those who followed him would do greater things than he. I am sure you are healing the sick and walking on water. Especially since you are holy enough to tell me that I am wrong.

I am actually a Methodist. But considering the tone of your post, you probably think I am going to hell because of that.
48 posted on 05/18/2003 6:54:44 AM PDT by Treeless Branch
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To: Captain Peter Blood
The 'Matrix'
ABS CBN News, Philippines - 2 hours ago
... If the Matrix films, the most philosophically-challenging movies to be produced ... of
the politics of its makers, then this subliminal equation (Hitler=Bush ...

49 posted on 05/18/2003 9:50:16 AM PDT by LayoutGuru2 (Call me paranoid but finding '/*' inside this comment makes me suspicious)
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To: rdb3
Cornell West dies in the end, so go ahead and watch it!
50 posted on 05/18/2003 11:54:03 AM PDT by Dr._Joseph_Warren
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