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High Court Takes Case on Vincent Foster
Yahoo Politics ^ | 5-5-03 | GINA HOLLAND

Posted on 05/05/2003 7:58:14 AM PDT by Lance Romance

High Court Takes Case on Vincent Foster
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By GINA HOLLAND, Associated Press Writer

WASHINGTON - The Supreme Court said Monday it would spell out when the public has a right to information in law enforcement files, like recordings of emergency calls and pictures from crime scenes.

 

The justices will consider next fall whether the government must release post-mortem pictures of former White House attorney Vincent Foster, resurrecting a 10-year-old controversy over Foster's suicide.

The high court will balance people's privacy interests, in this case involving Foster's family, against the rights of others under a public records law. The Bush administration had urged the court to review the case. At stake is "the privacy interest of millions of individuals, about whom personal and sensitive information is stored in government files," Solicitor General Theodore Olson told the court.

Foster's death, in the first year of Bill Clinton's presidency, spurred a legion of conspiracy theories that he was murdered in a White House cover-up. Foster was a kindergarten friend of Clinton and former law partner of Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton

Special prosecutor Kenneth Starr headed one of the many investigations that determined Foster killed himself on July 20, 1993, at a Civil War-era park near Washington.

The justices will decide if a California attorney has a right to pictures of Foster's body. The attorney, Allan Favish, already has been given more than 100 pictures, including photos of Foster's car and the Virginia park site. He has posted some on a Web site.

Lower courts have split over the release of more explicit pictures.

An appeals court in California said that four of the pictures could be made public. A court in Washington said they could not because there was not compelling evidence of government misconduct.

One of the pictures, which shows Foster's hand holding a gun, has already been published in Time magazine. None of the photos show his face or the bullet wounds. He died of a single shot to the head from an antique revolver.

The Supreme Court had scheduled arguments in another government records case involving a weapons database this spring. Justices dismissed the case, however, when Congress passed a provision restricting the release of the information which included names of gun shops and gun owners whose weapons were used in crimes.

Olson, the Bush administration's Supreme Court lawyer, said justices should use this case to clarify when lower courts should allow the release of information under the Freedom of Information Act. The law allows reporters and others to get unclassified government records that officials would not otherwise release.

Olson said that five investigations concluded that Foster, who was depressed, killed himself. He said a sixth probe "by an unsatisfied private citizen" seemed unnecessary.

The public information law allows officials to withhold information that could cause "an unwarranted invasion of personal privacy."

The attorney for the Foster family, James Hamilton, said the release of more photos would be damaging to the relatives, "invading their memory of a loved one, by subjecting them to harassment from any number of media outlets, and by leaving them vulnerable to the unwitting viewing of profoundly traumatic images."

He said that the rationale used to order the release of the photos could also be used to get information about the terrorist attacks, including voice mail messages left by people trapped in the World Trade Center.

The case is Office of Independent Counsel v. Favish, 02-954.


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Dead Man Talking.
1 posted on 05/05/2003 7:58:14 AM PDT by Lance Romance
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To: Lance Romance
I recently heard that Hillery Clinton had an affair with Foster! And that she was the first in his office and removed files. Has anyone else heard this?????


2 posted on 05/05/2003 8:03:18 AM PDT by SheLion
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To: Lance Romance
You know, it's not really the economy that may unseat W's re-election chances, but the fact that he didn't vigorously investigate and prosecute the Clintonista crime family.

Letting Mary Jo White-Wash stay on and failing to root out massive vote fraud means the mechanism for Hillary's upcoming election theft attempt is still in place.

3 posted on 05/05/2003 8:04:10 AM PDT by the gillman@blacklagoon.com
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To: SheLion
Go for a trip through the archives. Look up Alamo Girls legacy.
4 posted on 05/05/2003 8:05:35 AM PDT by the gillman@blacklagoon.com
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To: SheLion
Yes, all of that is reported to be true.
5 posted on 05/05/2003 8:06:01 AM PDT by Cold Heat (Negotiate!! .............(((Blam!.)))........... "Now who else wants to negotiate?")
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To: Lance Romance
Ted Olson sat on the board of directors at the American Spectator where opinion was split on the 'Foster' question. Tyrell sided with Ambrose Evans Pritchard, where as John Corry sided against Scaife publishing.


Thought it would be worth making the side note for the ever small world of the DC Ruling Class.
6 posted on 05/05/2003 8:06:58 AM PDT by JohnGalt (They're All Lying)
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To: wirestripper; the gillman@blacklagoon.com
Funny I just heard about this. So, it's really supposed to be true? I always thought she was gay. Go figure.
7 posted on 05/05/2003 8:08:33 AM PDT by SheLion
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To: SheLion
I recently heard that Hillery Clinton had an affair with Foster! And that she was the first in his office and removed files. Has anyone else heard this?????

The Foster case has been a topic on FR over the years. Sometimes it is a hot topic and some times it is tepid. Back in the mid-90's there were several investigations conducted into the circumstances surrounding Foster's death. Leave it to say, it is one freaky case.

To answer your question, Yes. The rumored affair and the fact that Hillary was the first into the office have been discussed at great length on FR. There are many, many more interesting questions as well. The neck wound. The oven mit. Foster's safe. The "apartment". The broken x-ray machine. The color of the gun. The parked car. The phone call to Arkansas ala "Vince shot himself in the parking lot!!!". It goes on and on. Favish has a good a site as any to get all the details.

8 posted on 05/05/2003 8:09:29 AM PDT by Pete
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To: the gillman@blacklagoon.com
Many conservative die hards are upset about the lack of progress on the Clinton scandal.

Bush does not wish to drag the countries dirty laundry through the streets.

If Clinton or spouse make waves, you can bet that a dirty sock or other garment will fall out of the basket for all to see. It has already been going on.
9 posted on 05/05/2003 8:09:31 AM PDT by Cold Heat (Negotiate!! .............(((Blam!.)))........... "Now who else wants to negotiate?")
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To: SheLion
Not just Foster, where do you think Chelsea Hubble came from?
10 posted on 05/05/2003 8:11:27 AM PDT by the gillman@blacklagoon.com
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To: wirestripper
Special prosecutor Kenneth Starr headed one of the many investigations that determined Foster killed himself on July 20, 1993, at a Civil War-era park near Washington.

I thought Fisk was the special prosecuter. Did Ken Starr inherit the case.

Plus, I remember Hillary's dear friend Maggie Williams was seen carting documents out of Foster's office with Watkins.

11 posted on 05/05/2003 8:12:20 AM PDT by Lance Romance
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To: SheLion
As to the affair, I have not seen that verified by many sources. It is sufficient to say that they were very close friends. Bill was screwing around at the time so you connect the dots.
12 posted on 05/05/2003 8:12:30 AM PDT by Cold Heat (Negotiate!! .............(((Blam!.)))........... "Now who else wants to negotiate?")
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To: wirestripper
Well I suppose the Beast has a plan to avoid that. Check out Jim Noble's theory on her election gambit on one of the "Is she running?" threads.
13 posted on 05/05/2003 8:13:33 AM PDT by the gillman@blacklagoon.com
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To: wirestripper
Stage I: HRC keeps her promise to the voters and does not run for the nomination.

Stage II: The RATs nominate a stooge. Edwards would be best (that's why the Xlintons are supporting him).

Stage III: Bush is up 56-44 on 10/1/04.

Stage IVa: The New York Times breaks a story on 10/2/04 that Edwards has been cheating on his wife. A firestorm ensues, and Edwards tearfully withdraws on 10/9/04.

OR:

Stage IVb: Candidate Edwards is attacked and seriously wounded on 10/2/04 by a white male with NRA decals on his car and when his PC is searched, freerepublic.com is set as his home page. He dies a week later.

Stage V: The DNC meets in chaos. A small majority favors advancing the candidate for Vice-President, Carol Mosely-Braun, to the top spot. Polls show her losing 61-39 to Bush-Rice.

Stage VI: The media suddenly remembers the Torricelli precedent-the RATs have a constitutional right to "a competitive candidate", never mind reliance on hypertechnical language about ballot access.

Stage VII: The DNC meets again. After a marathon, bruising session where Al Sharpton walks out, Zell Miller and Russ Finegold accept Chairman McAuliffe's assignment: go visit the junior senator from New York, and plead with her to repudiate her promise to serve New York until 2007 for the good of the party and the nation.

Stage VIII: Bill and Hillary fly to a retreat in the mountains of West Virginia (chosen after polls show soccer Moms like the mountains in the summer). She returns on Monday, October 18, 2004 and announces, with a heart full of love for her people, that she is willing to sacrifice everything-for the children.

Stage IX: Because time is short, she schedules two weeks with Katie, Oprah, and Sally Jessie rather than a traditional campaign.

Stage X: It's up to us.


32 posted on 05/05/2003 4:17 AM PDT by Jim Noble

14 posted on 05/05/2003 8:14:39 AM PDT by the gillman@blacklagoon.com
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To: Lance Romance
Yes, Starr redid the re-do and determined no murder. The case has been sanitized to the max.
15 posted on 05/05/2003 8:14:44 AM PDT by Cold Heat (Negotiate!! .............(((Blam!.)))........... "Now who else wants to negotiate?")
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To: Lance Romance


16 posted on 05/05/2003 8:15:25 AM PDT by TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!
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To: the gillman@blacklagoon.com
LOL! possible.........always possible with rats running the show.
17 posted on 05/05/2003 8:17:40 AM PDT by Cold Heat (Negotiate!! .............(((Blam!.)))........... "Now who else wants to negotiate?")
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To: Lance Romance
Nice to see that Mr. Favish is still pursuing this. If it wasn't for his efforts (plus the efforts of certain others -- Hugh Sprunt, for example), we wouldn't know nearly as much as we do now regarding the holes in the govt's version of what happened to Foster.
18 posted on 05/05/2003 8:19:50 AM PDT by Constitutionalist Conservative (http://c-pol.com)
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To: the gillman@blacklagoon.com
Not just Foster, where do you think Chelsea Hubble came from?


19 posted on 05/05/2003 8:21:18 AM PDT by ASA Vet ("Those who know, don't talk. Those who talk, don't know." (I'm in the 2nd group.))
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To: the gillman@blacklagoon.com
Zell Miller and Russ Finegold accept Chairman McAuliffe's assignment

Do you honestly think Zell Miller would accept such an assignment?

20 posted on 05/05/2003 8:22:08 AM PDT by Constitutionalist Conservative (http://c-pol.com)
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To: Pete
The color of the gun.

You can forget about that controversy. Mrs. Foster wasn't clear on which gun the FBI agents were asking her about. The gun at the park was blued. She thought they were asking her about a nickled one.

21 posted on 05/05/2003 8:22:37 AM PDT by Shooter 2.5 (Don't punch holes in the lifeboat)
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To: Lance Romance

22 posted on 05/05/2003 8:25:06 AM PDT by TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!
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To: SheLion
From memory, so I hope this is right, Susan Thomases, Maggie Williams, and Bernie Nussbaum raided Foster's office on the day he died. They took lots of documents. So began the trouble for Linda Tripp. She testified that she saw people taking documents. They called her a liar. Foster's computer was taken and later found with new hard drive being used by another bureaucrat. Had the body not been dumped in the park, the FBI would have shut down his office as a crime scene, thus preventing the raid. Foster was their private attorney for Whitewater. Oh, if only they had those files that were taken.
23 posted on 05/05/2003 8:27:40 AM PDT by doug from upland (my dogs ran from the room when they heard Hillary shrieking on the radio)
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To: the gillman@blacklagoon.com
I admit this is one of my greatest fears...so many things seem unsolved or not investigated. Maybe it is just unreported.

Is it all the imagined dreamings of the anti-clintonistas?

I think not!
24 posted on 05/05/2003 8:30:41 AM PDT by 3D-JOY
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To: SheLion; Alamo-Girl
Go here:  http://alamo-girl.com/0462.htm

And do a text search for "Foster".

That will keep you occupied for the rest of the day!

25 posted on 05/05/2003 8:31:04 AM PDT by Incorrigible
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To: SheLion
I think she swings both ways.
26 posted on 05/05/2003 8:31:36 AM PDT by dixiechick2000 (Never have so many been so wrong about so much.)
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To: Constitutionalist Conservative
I know nothing of Zell miller. It's Jim Noble's scenario.

Other than the Miller part, it seems too plausible in an evil leftist witch sort of way.

Avoids the glare of unfriendly tv camera's and lessens the chance of any of her dark secrets being dropped on the public.

It's speculation, of course, but fun.
27 posted on 05/05/2003 8:31:53 AM PDT by the gillman@blacklagoon.com
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To: doug from upland; SheLion
You're correct. Hillary herself never took documents from his office. Nussbaum, Williams and Thomasson entered around 10pm, and didn't leave until midnight with folders of documents.
28 posted on 05/05/2003 8:36:17 AM PDT by LurkerNoMore!
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To: 3D-JOY
Some here are so adamant that nothing can stop their W.

However, we've seen the Clintonites get away with just about everything.

I'm thinking of buying a big boat so I can escape if the worst case becomes true.
If not, I desperately need a hobby anyway.
29 posted on 05/05/2003 8:42:41 AM PDT by the gillman@blacklagoon.com
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To: SheLion; Alamo-Girl
I recently heard that Hillery Clinton had an affair with Foster!

Recently? Where have you been?

Paging Alamo Girl!

30 posted on 05/05/2003 8:52:03 AM PDT by b4its2late (I don't mind the rat race, but I could do with a little more cheese.)
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To: SheLion
old news, hilaries assitant went through and pulled two boxes of stuff out. The dc police let her leave the potetial crime scene with the boxes etc etc.
31 posted on 05/05/2003 8:55:13 AM PDT by longtermmemmory
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To: b4its2late
And what was the result of investigations into the two different numbers on frame and cylinder of Forsters gun....?

And who made enquiries about those numbers to the FBI gun database some months before Forsters demise....

and the quarter mill that "turned up"in widow Forsters bank accont....

enquiring minds still remember....,.

32 posted on 05/05/2003 8:55:47 AM PDT by spokeshave ( against dead wood (albore) Frogs & Rats)
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To: SheLion
PS - Abnormally high quantities of people that have known x42 and wife, have assumed room temperature mysteriously.
33 posted on 05/05/2003 8:58:39 AM PDT by b4its2late (I don't mind the rat race, but I could do with a little more cheese.)
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To: spokeshave
You're right.
34 posted on 05/05/2003 8:59:10 AM PDT by b4its2late (I don't mind the rat race, but I could do with a little more cheese.)
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To: SheLion
Where have you been for the last hundred years?

Free Republic achieved greatness hashing over Vince's murder. Perhaps noe we can pickup where we left off, and delving deeper into the evidence can find out what really took place.

35 posted on 05/05/2003 8:59:47 AM PDT by bert (Don't Panic !)
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To: the gillman@blacklagoon.com
Once again I state I am tired of hearing about the various Clinton bastards.

I think it is the duty of Free Republic to actively collect the DNA of all the various players, have it tested and determine the truth for the historical record. After all are dead history will forever wonder. We are to blame for not putting the issue to rest.

36 posted on 05/05/2003 9:06:05 AM PDT by bert (Don't Panic !)
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Bump
37 posted on 05/05/2003 9:16:36 AM PDT by girlscout
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To: Lance Romance
read later
38 posted on 05/05/2003 9:27:54 AM PDT by LiteKeeper
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To: the gillman@blacklagoon.com
I could use a new hobby too.

Spending my days being a "Hillary Hater" for 8 years would not be my choice. Foreign living does not appeal to me either. A boat, maybe.

Actually after hearing her screeching last week I might "Take to the hills"! No radio and no tv!

Is that cabin available that was saved from the bulldozer last week? LOL
39 posted on 05/05/2003 9:42:14 AM PDT by 3D-JOY
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To: AJFavish; aristeides; thinden; leadpenny; basil
The attorney, Allan Favish, already has been given more than 100 pictures, including photos of Foster's car and the Virginia park site.

Best of luck Allan.

40 posted on 05/05/2003 9:45:00 AM PDT by Fred Mertz
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To: SheLion
I have a long-time good friend (my best man) who was once a significant Dem player. He saw (with his own eyes) Hill and Foster openly tongue kissing in a hallway in the white house. Not trying to hide it at all.

So I rate that rumor as very likely to be true.

41 posted on 05/05/2003 9:49:21 AM PDT by ModelBreaker
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To: SheLion
It used to be fairly "common knowledge" - in fact, he apparently had some kind of misguided sense of responsibility to her, supposedly due to the "intimate connection" between them. The day the list of those to be called to testify in the Whitewater investigation came out, and he found himself on it, he went to her to tell her he would not perjure himself if called.

48 hours later, he was dead.

The official report stated he had "swallowed" a .38; the back of his head was intact, which shows this to be a lie. In actuality, he had a "small caliber" hole under his jaw up into the top of his head. The whole thing is a Clinton cover-up, just like TWA 800 and several other scandles involving one or more fatalities.....

42 posted on 05/05/2003 9:59:01 AM PDT by mil-vet
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To: SheLion
Vince's body was found in Fort Marcy Park in a state of repose - one witness thought he was sleeping until he got a closer look. If Foster had shot himself in the park, it is unlikely his body would have looked like this. It is further unlikely the gun would have stayed on his finger.

There is no record of Vince leaving the White House that day. The technician in charge of the tapes died.

Solicitor Olson ought to be interested in seeing that the truth gets out here. His wife, Freeper Barbara Olson, perished on one of the 9/11 planes.
43 posted on 05/05/2003 10:39:40 AM PDT by Tymesup
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To: SheLion
Heavens, yes. That was well-known at the time--but smothered immediately by the (pro-Clinton) mainstream media.
44 posted on 05/05/2003 10:42:49 AM PDT by Cordova Belle ("America is great because she is good. When America ceases to be good, she will cease to be great.")
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To: the gillman@blacklagoon.com
Check out Jim Noble's theory on her election gambit on one of the "Is she running?" threads.

As I understand it, the statistical probability (for people who knew the Clintons) is that the Democratic presidential candidate will die in an airplane crash in October and Hillary will be named to run in his place.

45 posted on 05/05/2003 10:44:14 AM PDT by NJJ
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To: Lance Romance
conspiracy
46 posted on 05/05/2003 10:48:11 AM PDT by green team 1999
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To: AJFavish; Fred Mertz
Congratulations, Allan.

This article seems to say that Solicitor General Olson supported the Supreme Court taking the case. I thought he opposed it. If he did oppose it, it's significant the court took the case, since they usually agree with the Solicitor General.

47 posted on 05/05/2003 10:48:21 AM PDT by aristeides
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To: aristeides
This only grants a hearing on the petition filed by the government. In this part of the case I am defending the order to release 4 of the 10 photos. The widow's petition sought the same thing as the government's, to block release of the 4 photos. But that petition is still pending and the Supreme Court office worker I spoke to today said a decision on that petition won't be made public until May 19. It makes no sense to grant the government's petition and not grant the widow's.

Also, and more importantly, me petition to get the other 6 photos released is also pending. I cannot figure out why they would grant the government's and not also grant the widow's and grant mine since the same legal argument is at stake in all three petitions, i.e., do the survivors have a privacy interest in photos that do not depict them.

My petition is case no. 02-409. The government's is 02-954 and the widow's is 02-599.

Search the Supreme Court's docket for "favish" at www.supremecourtus.gov.

The briefs are at my web site at www.allanfavish.com.

48 posted on 05/05/2003 10:53:50 AM PDT by AJFavish
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To: NJJ
It certainly was noticeable when Paul Wellstone died in a plane crash.

I have long known that a number of people who were making trouble for Hitler died in suspicious plane crashes (Dr. Todt, General Dietl, Admiral Horthy's son). I am reading a new book about the Nazis which says that the head of the National Socialist Teachers' League, Hans Schemm, was the Nazi was most nearly approached Hitler in charismatic appeal. Schemm died in 1935 in an airplane accident. Can anybody point me to where I can get more information about that accident?

49 posted on 05/05/2003 10:54:00 AM PDT by aristeides
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To: Lance Romance

Once Upon A Time In Arkansas....and frontline leans left.
50 posted on 05/05/2003 10:56:26 AM PDT by green team 1999
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