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High Court to Rule on Police Roadblocks
AP ^ | 5 May, 2003

Posted on 05/05/2003 8:53:11 PM PDT by Happy2BMe

High Court to Rule on Police Roadblocks
By The Associated Press
WASHINGTON (AP) - The Supreme Court said Monday it will give police clearer rules for using random roadblocks to track down criminals without violating the privacy rights of other motorists.

The court will hear arguments next fall on whether police can set up checkpoints to seek information about a recent crime, then arrest drivers for unrelated wrongdoing.

Three years ago, justices curbed the use of random roadblocks for general law enforcement. Illinois, supported by 14 other states, asked the court to clarify how far police may go.

Northwestern University law professor Ronald Allen said the case will be significant, as justices ``either tighten up or loosen up the power of the government to do a dragnet, stopping everybody.''

The Supreme Court already has said officers may set up random sobriety checkpoints to detect drunken drivers and border roadblocks to intercept illegal immigrants. But justices ruled in 2000 that roadblocks intended for drug searches are an unreasonable invasion of privacy under the Constitution. The court held that law enforcement in and of itself is not a good enough reason to stop innocent motorists.

Under the court's rulings, roadblocks are allowed for emergencies, like the interstate shutdowns during the three-week sniper shooting spree in the Washington, D.C., area last fall.

The Illinois Supreme Court ruled that it was not an emergency in 1997 when officers stopped cars at an intersection outside Chicago to pass out leaflets seeking information about a fatal hit-and-run.

The state court said police could not stop drivers at random every time they needed tips about a crime.The court voided Robert Lidster's conviction for drunken driving.

Police set up the roadblock at the same spot and time of day that the hit-and-run took place. They hoped to find someone who used the route and had seen the accident. Police stopped each car for 10 to 15 seconds - long enough to mention the accident and hand out a flier asking for help.

Authorities said that when Lidster drove up he nearly hit an officer.

Lidster's attorney, G. Joseph Weller, told justices that if the police wanted to seek information, they could have used other methods, like newspapers and radio and television stations.

Illinois state attorney William Browers argued in court filings that police should not be barred from ``performing their historic, normal and necessary functions of trying to find witnesses to a known crime.''

Richard Frase, a criminal law professor at the University of Minnesota, said roadblocks can help police in some crime fighting, but ``any time you run a roadblock, you're inconveniencing a lot of innocent people.''

The case is Illinois v. Lidster, 02-1060.



TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Front Page News
KEYWORDS: privacylist; roadblocks; supremecourt
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I don't mind roadblock checks. I've got nuttin' to hide.
1 posted on 05/05/2003 8:53:11 PM PDT by Happy2BMe
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2 posted on 05/05/2003 9:01:17 PM PDT by Libertarianize the GOP (Ideas have consequences)
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To: Happy2BMe
Me either. I always have two cops camping in my living room just in case I do something wrong, though. One also tags along in the backseat when I drive to work. Makes me feel safe that way.
3 posted on 05/05/2003 9:05:55 PM PDT by clamboat
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To: Happy2BMe
FAMOUS LAST WORDS: I've got nuttin' to hide.
4 posted on 05/05/2003 9:09:40 PM PDT by DensaMensa (He who controls the definitions controls History. He who controls History controls the future.)
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To: Happy2BMe
I don't mind roadblock checks. I've got nuttin' to hide.

Yeah, that fourth amendment just for crooks. The second one too.

And the first amendment's for pervs.

5 posted on 05/05/2003 9:11:25 PM PDT by dead
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To: clamboat
This chapter from my novel stands on its own as a nice little cautionary short story, IMHO.

Click here to read "THE CHECKPOINT," about a police road block operation that goes totally out of control.

6 posted on 05/05/2003 9:14:29 PM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: clamboat
ditto.
7 posted on 05/05/2003 9:17:10 PM PDT by Jhoffa_ (Sammy to Frodo: "Get out. Go sleep with one of your whores!")
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To: Happy2BMe
To me this is a simple matter of logic. Would the person be under suspicion with out the road block. If not then they have reason to charge the person. In the case noted the person would more than likely have not been arrested with out the roadblock which purpose was to request aid of the people not to arrest people.
8 posted on 05/05/2003 9:21:09 PM PDT by Kadric
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To: Happy2BMe
I do mind. One freedom at a time, down the drain.
9 posted on 05/05/2003 9:22:30 PM PDT by cynicom
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To: Kadric
"If not then they have reason to charge the person."

Should have been. If not then they have no reason to charge the person.
10 posted on 05/05/2003 9:22:47 PM PDT by Kadric
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To: Happy2BMe
My last roadblock was a seatbelt check. The cops could see from six feet away that I had it on. Did that suffice?? Not at all. He stuck his head inside to check for booze or drug smell, checked my licence, inspection tag, licence plate and looked in the backseat. You may not mind but I do.
11 posted on 05/05/2003 9:25:53 PM PDT by cynicom
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To: Happy2BMe
We have DUI check points where I live and the local newspaper publishes the locations days before. I guess that's so the drunks know to use a different route.
12 posted on 05/05/2003 9:28:34 PM PDT by Normal4me
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To: cynicom
He stuck his head inside to check for booze or drug smell, checked my licence, inspection tag, licence plate and looked in the backseat.

Maybe you should get a fake rubber foot or hand ahd have it sticking out from the ene of a role of carpeting in the back seat next time.

13 posted on 05/05/2003 9:32:38 PM PDT by templar
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To: Kadric
If A implies C then B has to be equivalent to A to imply C. Or something like that.
14 posted on 05/05/2003 9:35:00 PM PDT by microgood (They will all die......most of them.)
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To: Travis McGee
Great read.

“Checkpoint!” Ranya said. “One of the FIST checkpoints, it’s got to be.” The FIST program, for “Firearms Inspections Stop Terrorism” was the brainchild of Virginia Commonwealth’s Attorney Eric Sanderson.

This is exactly what random checkpoints would eventually be used for. FIST is an appropriate acronym for what happens to citizens in these circumstances.

15 posted on 05/05/2003 9:45:06 PM PDT by Larry Lucido
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To: DensaMensa
My guess is that Happy2BMe left off a sarcasm tag.
16 posted on 05/05/2003 9:46:39 PM PDT by Larry Lucido
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To: Happy2BMe
I seem to recall a story about some scamsters setting up a phony sign reading "police drug checkpoint ahead." They'd hide out near the sign and pick up all the bags of drugs hurled out of passing cars.
17 posted on 05/05/2003 9:51:29 PM PDT by John Jorsett
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I do mind roadblock checks, and I've got nothing to hide.
18 posted on 05/05/2003 9:51:35 PM PDT by 6ta60
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To: cynicom
He stuck his head inside to check for booze or drug smell, checked my licence, inspection tag, licence plate and looked in the backseat.

What would have happened if you'd cracked you window about an eigth of an inch to pass him the doucments?

19 posted on 05/05/2003 9:53:02 PM PDT by John Jorsett
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To: Happy2BMe
And to think some Freepers were bustin' a nut when some German politician said that the US was heading towards becoming a police state! The nerve of those Germans!
20 posted on 05/05/2003 10:05:39 PM PDT by mvpel (Michael Pelletier)
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