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Energy Excerpts (the coming storm)
Excerpted from paid subscription (O & G Industry) | May 6, 2003 | Unknown

Posted on 05/06/2003 12:02:45 PM PDT by BOBTHENAILER

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To: MD_Willington_1976
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21 posted on 05/06/2003 2:01:44 PM PDT by bruinbirdman (Buy low, sell high)
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To: Dog Gone
It only makes sense to do if the company can recoup its investment in building it, but completion of it will flood the market with gas, dropping the price per mcf. That's why there has been discussion about setting a "floor" price for the gas, so that if gas drops below that level, the oil company will get a tax credit equal to the difference.

I have realized the "flood the market" potential, I'm unfamiliar with the floor price concept. Is that part of either version of the Energy Bills.

Does it apply only to the producers selling through the Alaska line or across the board?

22 posted on 05/06/2003 2:03:01 PM PDT by BOBTHENAILER (FReepers discover the TRUTH, and distribute it.)
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To: BOBTHENAILER
It was part of the energy bill passed by the Senate last year, and it only applied if the pipeline was run south through Alaska instead of the more direct Canadian route. It wouldn't apply to any other gas in the country.

To be honest, I don't know what happened after the Senate passed it.

23 posted on 05/06/2003 2:06:54 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: BOBTHENAILER
Hmmm, apparently it is still being worked on:
Gas line legislation flows on through Congress
SENATE: Opponents complain, but more quietly than they did in the past.


By LIZ RUSKIN
Anchorage Daily News

(Published: May 1, 2003)

WASHINGTON -- Legislation to promote construction of an Alaska natural gas pipeline is cruising through Congress, so far with only muffled complaints that the financial incentives Alaska lawmakers say are needed to get the line built amount to unfair subsidies.

"Nobody is willing, it seems like, to buck the Alaska delegation," griped Forrest Hoglund, a Texan who heads a firm that wants to build a Canadian line and opposes incentives for the Alaska line.

Part of the incentives package he opposes sailed through the Senate Energy Committee on Wednesday as part of a wide-ranging energy bill.

The full Senate is scheduled to debate the bill early next week.

Gas line politics have created some unusual coalitions. The project is supported primarily by the Alaska delegation but also by Democrats and some environmentalists, who see it as a way of boosting domestic energy production without spoiling wilderness.

Sen. Lisa Murkowski, who sits on the energy committee, is focusing her arguments on the country's growing demand for natural gas. The country will need all of Alaska's gas and more, she says. The only way to get it is to build a pipeline, and that requires financial incentives, the argument goes.

Meanwhile, the Bush administration, the Canadian government, lawmakers from other gas-producing states and free-market advocates have misgivings. They say the incentives would be expensive and give Alaska gas an unfair advantage.

At least, that's what they said last year. This year, the opposition has been quieter.

"I don't think the opponents have melted off ... (but) there's not really a champion," said Keith Ashdown, spokesman for Taxpayers for Common Sense, which has been trying to find senators to oppose the incentives.

Hoglund, who favors the Canadian line, says lawmakers are reluctant to speak against the incentives the Alaska delegation wants. Don Young chairs the House Transportation Committee and Ted Stevens chairs Senate Appropriations.

"Quite obviously, they're steamrollering this through the Congress," Hoglund said. "Anybody who wants a highway or wants an appropriation isn't going to oppose it."

As it stands now, the energy bill includes loan guarantees of up to $18 billion of the $20 billion project. A more controversial incentive, a tax credit that would kick in if the wellhead price of North Slope gas falls below a certain price, is expected to be added to the bill on the floor.

Another incentive would allow the pipeline owners to accelerate the depreciation on the line from 15 years to seven.

Don Duncan, vice president of government affairs for Conoco Phillips, said the entire package of incentives is needed if the line is going to be built -- a proposition to which Alaska's gas producers haven't yet agreed.

The most controversial piece, the tax credit that would be phased in depending on the wellhead price, isn't very different from incentives the government already uses, such as one intended to keep marginal wells in production, he said. Those also apply only when prices sink to a certain level.

"Any Lower 48 (producer) that says Alaska is getting an unfair advantage -- they don't ever want to talk about these other things," he said.

Duncan also said the loan guarantees will mean lower interest rates for financing the project but are unlikely to cost the Treasury anything. Big companies like Exxon don't default on loans, he said.

Ashdown, an opponent of the incentives, said big companies might create a smaller company that would take the fall if the project failed, leaving the government paying the price.

"That's a tactic companies use all the time to hide from liability," he said.

Besides that, Ashdown said he's philosophically opposed to the notion.

"You're making the federal government guarantee the success of a private enterprise," he said.

The Senate bill does not include the other big Alaska energy proposal -- drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge. The Senate rejected the idea earlier this year.

The House bill does include ANWR. Once the Senate bill passes, the two versions will go to a conference committee to work out the differences. Even supporters of drilling in ANWR, though, say adding it would doom the bill in the Senate.

24 posted on 05/06/2003 2:13:04 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: Dog Gone
I can remember more than a few times since 2000, that we would have been mighty tempted to take a 6-12 month strip at $3.00 an mcf. Glad now that never happened, but it sure would have removed some drilling uncertainty if that type of floor would have been there.
25 posted on 05/06/2003 2:13:27 PM PDT by BOBTHENAILER (FReepers discover the TRUTH, and distribute it.)
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To: BOBTHENAILER
Sorry I couldn't get in earlier today. Was working (unlike the Democrats)...my stuff did okay in the market today. Can't complain. Love this thread.

Mene

26 posted on 05/06/2003 2:15:51 PM PDT by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (El que rie ultimo, rie mejor.)
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To: Dog Gone
Thanks for the atachment, I just skimmed it and didn't see a gas floor price. Maybe I'll call Murkowski's office. They have been helpful in the past.
27 posted on 05/06/2003 2:23:37 PM PDT by BOBTHENAILER (FReepers discover the TRUTH, and distribute it.)
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To: BOBTHENAILER
A decade ago there was a research group called the Gas Research Institute which had a robust program for natural gas research. Starting with exploration and following with production, processing, transmission, distribution and the end-user, the institute produced a goodly number of RDD (research, development, deployment) products, many of which are in wide use today in all gas industry sectors. For example, Bob, advances in coal bed methane technology and support for the process came from institute research. It was forward thinking and GRI knew that the way to energy independence was produce more energy from conventional and unconventional sources, and do it more reliably and efficiently.

But, alas, the institute is no more. For many years it was funded, mainly, by a surcharge (tax) on transmission volumes assessed by interstate natural gas pipeline companies on services provided to NG distribution companies and others at rates regulated by the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission (FERC). Other, matching income came from producers, industry, and the DOE. However, In January 1998, FERC approved a settlement among the GRI, the regulated pipelines and their customers which phases out this surcharge over 6 years and eliminates it altogether in 2005. As the phase out progresses, the size of the surcharge will continue to shrink, creating an increasing shortfall in this aspect of R&D funding relative to the 1998 presettlement level. As a result, GRI was merged with the Gas Technology Institute several years ago and research is continuing at a much reduced level and mainly on projects showing a substantial chance of success. Basic research into future concepts and technology is much constrained, and the program is just a shadow of its former self.

In coming years the shortsightedness and consequences of the lack of research will become increasingly apparent with decreasing supply and reliability and increasing cost. Increased market cost will, of course, lead to others performing some research in specific areas, but I don't see a comprehensive, well rounded program in the future given the current situation and regulatory environment. So your conclusion that we may well face "a very scary pricing future" for consumers and industrial users is a very likely scenario.

28 posted on 05/06/2003 3:03:22 PM PDT by CedarDave (The number of Saddam sightings is rapidly approaching those of Elvis!)
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To: CedarDave
For example, Bob, advances in coal bed methane technology and support for the process came from institute research. It was forward thinking and GRI knew that the way to energy independence was produce more energy from conventional and unconventional sources, and do it more reliably and efficiently.

I know that group well. They were very instumental in pushing for dual completions around 1990, in Northen Michigan Antrim wells we were drilling in late 80's throughout the 90's. At the time, most operators completed only the lower Antrim (cost saving), only after urging from GRI studies was the dual comp approach used and the increase in production was substantial.

They were also heavily involved in convincing a company with friends of mine, to horizontally drill an old (Crystal) Devonian oil field in between coned out areas. The first well almost blew out and is still making about 100 BOD after 5 some years. Later wells were not as successful and I remain convinced part of that is because reliance on GRI expertise was abandoned.

Great post on an organization that I would love to see revitalized. Now that I think about it, the horizontal experiment described above was repeated in many areas of the US as I recall, with some being quite successful and with GRI studies used in many. I also recall that DOE contibuted about 20% of the control well.

Increased market cost will, of course, lead to others performing some research in specific areas, but I don't see a comprehensive, well rounded program in the future given the current situation and regulatory environment.

You're right on the mark. The expertise will be internally generated and we all know how "close to the chest" operators will hold those discoveries and they will be regional and not as comprehensive.

29 posted on 05/06/2003 4:17:14 PM PDT by BOBTHENAILER (FReepers discover the TRUTH, and distribute it.)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin; Dog Gone; Grampa Dave
This must not have been some of your "stuff"
30 posted on 05/06/2003 10:05:06 PM PDT by SierraWasp (When you get old and think you're sweet... Take off your shoes and smell your feet! (Burma Shave))
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To: Grampa Dave; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Carry_Okie
What about those whitewater flyfishing streams below our reservoirs? Have any of 'em over-topped you're waders yet? Too early for commercial rafting season, right? What's up???
31 posted on 05/06/2003 10:11:43 PM PDT by SierraWasp (When you get old and think you're sweet... Take off your shoes and smell your feet! (Burma Shave))
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To: SierraWasp
LOL. No, not mine (right now). However, possibly in about two weeks. Hope it recedes even more when I get ready to buy. The key to trading stocks is to buy with a cash account, NOT margin. If you buy with cash and it drops, you keep working and just wait. If you buy with margin and it drops too much, the broker sells your shares. Or, if you shorted and it rises too much, the broker covers your position and you can be in even worse shape. However, you probably knew all of that. NEVER trade stocks on margin. One day, a big story will appear AGAIN about how many people were ruined trading stocks on margin.
32 posted on 05/07/2003 4:23:25 AM PDT by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (El que rie ultimo, rie mejor.)
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To: *Energy_List
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33 posted on 05/07/2003 6:27:54 AM PDT by Free the USA (Stooge for the Rich)
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