The Coming Totalitarianism

http://www.lewrockwell.com ^ | 5/6/03 | Lew Rockwell

[mrsmith]

First off I misread the Governor's 9/11 proclamation: "Pursuant to §§ 44-75.1.A.3 and A.4 of the Code of Virginia, I also directed that the Virginia National Guard and the Virginia Defense Force be called forth to state duty to assist in providing such aid. This shall include Virginia National Guard assistance to the Virginia State Police to direct traffic and perform such other law enforcement functions as the Superintendent of State Police, in consultation with the State Coordinator of Emergency Management and the Adjutant General, and with the approval of the Secretary of Public Safety, may find necessary. The Virginia National Guard and the Virginia Defense Force are also authorized to assist with search and rescue, medical response, and other functions as deemed necessary. "
The VDF was NOT given military and police duties in that instance- only the NG was.

I learned of them on FR, perhaps there is a member amongst us who'd run a thread about them.
Here's a pretty thorough article on the State Defense Forces and their use for anti-terrorism: State security

[mrsmith]

First off I misread the Governor's 9/11 proclamation: "Pursuant to §§ 44-75.1.A.3 and A.4 of the Code of Virginia, I also directed that the Virginia National Guard and the Virginia Defense Force be called forth to state duty to assist in providing such aid. This shall include Virginia National Guard assistance to the Virginia State Police to direct traffic and perform such other law enforcement functions as the Superintendent of State Police, in consultation with the State Coordinator of Emergency Management and the Adjutant General, and with the approval of the Secretary of Public Safety, may find necessary. The Virginia National Guard and the Virginia Defense Force are also authorized to assist with search and rescue, medical response, and other functions as deemed necessary. "
The VDF was NOT given military and police duties in that instance- only the NG was.

I learned of them on FR, perhaps there is a member amongst us who'd run a thread about them.
Here's a pretty thorough article on the State Defense Forces and their use for anti-terrorism: State security

[tpaine]

From your link:


"But in a few places—notably Georgia, New York, Ohio, Puerto Rico, Tennessee, Texas, and Virginia—these volunteers form an effective auxiliary to the paid part-timers of the National Guard. A few experts, such as retired Army Col. John Brinkerhoff, who was Reagan's civil-defense director, advocate expanding these groups for homeland defense missions, including guarding facilities, securing perimeters around disaster areas or quarantine zones, and providing logistics and communications services. And since September 11, the state guards have been growing."


"Growing" is debatable.. In fact, I've seen little mention ANYwhere of state or federal support for such forces.. - Which are an obvious method to get serious about terrorism.

Thus we can only conclude that as usual, our government is only concerned about methods that increase government power..

And paranoid or not, "this raises the question of what the feds really hope to accomplish".

[1rudeboy]

So in reality, if you wanted to post a counter-argument, I would have listened. That you think it's a "waste of time" and can only respond with insults does more to validate Rockwell's ideas than anything else.

Counter-argument to what, exactly? Is Lew arguing that the Federal government not prepare itself for a dirty-bomb attack, on the basis that by doing so it is insidiously conditioning the public for a form of totalitarianism? What a waste of time.

[madfly]

I went to google and found an Oregon and Alaska Defense Force page, as well this one from Colorado. That was just from a quick "Defense Force" search.

http://www.sgaus.org/co_news.htm

NEWS FROM STATES

*** Colorado ***

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Please be advised that the Colorado State Defense Force (Provisional) is currently being activated. The COSDF is activating as the bona fide organized State Militia prescribed in Colorado Revised Statutes, Section 28-4-101et seq. and will be seeking official state recognition as such. The COSDF will operate in accordance with Colorado law and the principles of the SGAUS.

Therefore, the COSDF seeks support and guidance in this organizational effort. To spearhead the political lobbying effort which will be necessary to achieve official state recognition, the Colorado State Defense Force Association was incorporated in November, 1999. Additionally, to educate the citizenry concerning the history, need for, purpose and missions of a state militia The Colorado State Defense Force Foundation was likewise incorporated as a 501(c)3 tax exempt organization.

Now, we need to begin the campaign to generate community and political support and we need citizen soldiers with or without prior military service to volunteer to serve in all military occupational specialties in all geographic areas of the State.

The Point of Contact for anyone interested in serving is: Colorado State Defense Force, P.O. Box 1853 Canon City, CO 81212 Attn: MAJ W R Muenzberg. The E-mail address is: COSDF@ Juno.com.

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Back to SGAUS Home Page

[teeman8r]

local militias local leaders, local control can be utilized by military authority or gubment authority... but no one can use the excuse that they were just following orders...

have a plan, trust no one and be ready...

[missileboy]

"He's a crackpot."

I'll say. These tin-foil-hat types believe that the government is an out-of-control leviathin that spends 47% of the GNP and has a two trillion dollar budget - and still wants more of your money in the form of higher taxes! To top it all off, tpaine probably believes the the Feds want to take our guns, "educate" our children in public schools, and that Social Security is a Ponzi scheme that will soon be insolvent! I don't know where they come up with this nonsense. Useful idiots, I guess.

[tpaine]

I'm just another innocent dupe.
One of these days, I'm gonna wake up and start voting the straight Rino ticket. Yessiree.

[Lysander]

Crackpot.

[Lysander]

I'm gonna wake up and start voting the straight Rino ticket.

You got it bro! We will get more gun control, more spending, huge welfare programs, no-kid-left-behind education programs, jingoism, and mob rule. But it will put an end to all these homos who just want to get high and have abortions.

[freeforall]

The whole reason for the evolution of government was to prevent private organizations (i.e., gangs, mobs, roving armies, bandits, libertarian idealists, etc.) from enforcing uncivilized ways on others. The difference between a typical company today and the competing enforcement companies that the anarchists envision is stark: today's typical company has no way to conquer wider society; the anarchic ones would. The dividing line is force; it makes all the difference. By the way, there's a name for unbridled competition among agencies of force: war.
Thanks for the enlightened argument.

[Lysander]

Thanks for the enlightened argument.

Ha! People who talk words-about-words and who know little about what they are talking about are often self impressed with their enlightening abilities. Your false-to-facts assumptions lead to you even more false-to-facts conclusions.

[Wolfie]

As long as the folks in charge are Republicans, it'll be okay. In fact, it'll be just what we've been clamoring for all along.

[tpaine]

"We", kemosabe?

Or is that remark directed to my new, fresh, neo-Rino persona?

[Wolfie]

Just talking about Pubbies in general.

[radioman]

Is this true? I was under the impression that local militias were organized under the authority of local government, not private citizens. Am I wrong?

Yes...Militias are groups of private citizens with no government ties.

I live in an area where several militias trained and played war games. The militia movement is not dead. It has moved underground.

I have never feared the militias, they just aren't the threat that many claim. They are basically guys who in past times belonged to sportsmens clubs. Outdoorsmen have been demonized and regulated into near extinction here in California, so many in the city come to the mountains to experience those feelings of freedom and commaraderie they cannot experience at home. They are patriotic Americans and are not a threat to anyone. They also contribute to the rural economy that has been devastated by the anti American politicians in the cities!

[tpaine]

In general, 'pubbies' need to redefine their position/principles, or give up the name.

The RLC has a republican position. The GOP does not.

Address:http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/rlc/browse

[cinFLA]

So 'poke' Lew apart.. Pick one of his points, and attack it.

Do you agree with him that the government should do NO preparation?

"In a free society, the job of preparing for the worst should be left to individuals in their capacities as members of communities and families. When government uses the excuse of preparedness, we are on solid ground in concluding that it is up to no good. In the real world, we have more to fear from the reality of TOPOFF than the fiction of GLODO."

[tpaine]

So 'poke' Lew apart.. Pick one of his points, and attack it.

Do you agree with him that the government should do NO preparation?

Where does he say that, in context? Granted, Lew is 'over the top' on this issue, but so is the government, and so are you. Lew makes a valid, abeit hyped up, point here:

"This raises the question of what the feds really hope to accomplish.
The drill serves to remind the civilian population of precisely who is in charge, conveying the impression that the object of our fear should be GLODO and not TOPOFF. But while we all focus on the threat from the outside, our own government has been preparing and drilling on the assumption that at some point in the future, it will need to exercise total, despotic control over every aspect of civilian society.

Where are the nonviolent, anti-gun activists who railed against militias now? The world's biggest and most deadly government – the biggest and most deadly in human history – will be doing a trial run for the total state next week, and we hear nothing but silence. It is considered a normal part of government for thousands of bureaucrats to spend millions plotting a total takeover of society. In a free society, the job of preparing for the worst should be left to individuals in their capacities as members of communities and families.
When government uses the excuse of preparedness, we are on solid ground in concluding that it is up to no good. In the real world, we have more to fear from the reality of TOPOFF than the fiction of GLODO."

[cinFLA]

Where does he say that, in context? As I read it he says leave preparation to the individuals, not the government. "In a free society, the job of preparing for the worst should be left to individuals in their capacities as members of communities and families."