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Why does Yasser Arafat and his PLO demand the creation of a second "Palestinian" state?

The country of Jordan comprises most of the land of "Palestine". The great majority of Jordan's population is "Palestinian", the Jordanian army is comprised of a majority of "Palestinians", and most of the Arabs living in the Israeli administered territories hold Jordanian passports. In addition to this, the 1970 Jordanian-PLO war was considered a civil war and recorded as such.

The evidence is overwhelming. An independent Palestinian Arab state already exists in the Middle East in the form of Jordan nearly 80 percent of the whole of Palestine. So why do politicians and the news media keep beating on Israel to withdraw to indefensible boundaries?

Arafat wants a chunk of Israel (Gaza and "West Bank") to be his "Palestinian" state but he isn't squealing to the UN for a chunk of Jordan too. Why is this?

How stupid do you think we are? Gaza and the West Bank are 90%+ Arab. Why shouldn't the residents have the right to be an Arab state, instead of Israeli military occupied territories?

Or is what you are really saying that the Arab inhabitants should be expelled across the Jordan to make "defensible" geographic and ethnic borders?

If that's the case, I'll call you a supporter of Israeli Naziism.

I do not have firm viewpoints on this particular issue, but I tend to support Israel because they are "like us" - democratic, civilized and not inclined to kill people with suicide bombs. And might I add that Israel has no links to Saddam Hussein or Osama bin Laden?

If a country attacks you, and you fight back and gain territory, do you not now own that territory, as long as you can defend it? I believe the answer is a clear-cut yes, with lots of historical examples available to back it up. Israel was attacked numerous times, and managed to expand its territory thanks to a combination of their high level of ability and the Arab nations poor showing. Whose fault is this?

Is life in Arab nations in general at all good? Is Yassar Arafat likely to be a fair and decent leader of his people? In reality, is he any different from any other power-mad meglomaniac taking advantage of others' problems? Is he not the Jesse Jackson of the Middle East?

If Arabs within Israeli-occupied areas would stop shooting at Israelis, they would wind up in time becoming part of Israel and enjoy a democratic system, a vibrant economy and a much higher standard of living. Judging by the economic and social performance of other Arab countries, I would think they'd be way better off as Israelis than as Jordanian citizens.

So really, what's the big complaint here? Just stop blowing people up, and in time, you'll become fat and happy.

Or, for that matter, the Israelis will agree to let you go, if you insist. But you'd be a lot better off as part of Israel than under Arafat's boot.

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How stupid do you think we[you] are?

Based on your comments on this issue, very.

Why shouldn't the residents have the right to be an Arab state...

Because it will be a non-democratic terrorist state much like a mini-Iraq. Jews will be totally expelled from the area and never allowed to return. Jewish holy sites will be desecrated much like the Jordanian occupation '48-'67. Please explain to me why "Jews" should be forced to give up "Judea", even though they have lived there for the past 4000 years, millenia before Arabs or Muslims even inhabited the area.

...instead of Israeli military occupied territories?

OK, how about Israel just annex the territories. At least it wouldn't be occupation. Oh, and just in case you didn't know, the Arabs view all of greater Israel "occupied" as well.

...to make "defensible" geographic and ethnic borders

You're right. That's so silly; why would Israel want "defensible" borders. We all know that their neighbors mean them no harm.

If that's the case, I'll call you a supporter of Israeli Naziism.

You are nothing but an arrogant, ignorant demagogue. "Israeli Naziism" implies that the Jews want to exterminate all of the Palestinians. If Israel wanted to do this, they could, yet they keep sitting down at the peace table with these terrorists even though their citizens are being blown to smitherines. The Jews do not want to destroy all of the Palestinians. However the oppposite is true for the most part. That's why the Palestinian equivalent of "Sesame Street" has a suicide bomber muppet. Go back to CAIR and spout your Jew hating there.

"If that's the case, I'll call you a supporter of Israeli Naziism."

Do you really imagine that you can offload the German guilt for having murdered 6 million men, women and children in cold blood by accusing your victims of being what the German nation was and still for the most part still is?

Nazism was simply the political manifestation of the the inherent evil in German culture. We Jews could never in a million years approach your level of inhuman barbarism.

"Why shouldn't the residents have the right to be an Arab state, instead of Israeli military occupied territories? "

Because they just don't want an Arab state, they want a nation sans Jews "from the Jordan to the sea". Had they wanted an Arab state they would have accepted Barak's offer of 97% of what they said they were after at Taba. Even today, their insistence on "the right of return" is another way of saying that the Arabs want to destroy Israel through demographic means. And they are occupied because the Arabs tried to destroy Israel when King Hussein launched an attack against Israel in 1967 (and his attack WAS pre-emptive).

You Germans murdered most of Europe's Jews. We certainly aren't going to allow ourselves to make concessions which will result in the Arabs, your mirror imagine in the Middle East, to finish the job. Let Germany take the Arabs as recompense for its manifold crimes.

Over 70% of the Jordanian population if "Palestinian." Jordan is Palestine.

Will it be OK with you if the West Bank becomes a province of Jordan and the Gaza Strip becomes a province of Egypt?

Will it make more sense than having a “country” composed of a small enclave in the west, Israel in the middle, and a landlocked area next to the Jordan River?

As the article points out, the overwhelming majority of Jornadians are Palestinians, and Egypt was the source of much of the Gaza Strip immigration. For example, Arafat's family are Egyptians who moved into "Palestine."