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To: Toddsterpatriot
How much of the coal or natural gas would we have to burn to get the energy to separate the hydrogen?

It's easier to extract hydrogen from oil than from gas and coal. That's why these articles tend not to mention them. Typically the anti-hydrogen articles pick on loopy wind-energy strawmen. Almost uniformly they call people foolish, quote "engineers", and talk about "energy inputs" avoiding the "energy inputs" converting oil into gasoline, and transporting the heavy fuel to markets.

36 posted on 05/07/2003 12:52:04 PM PDT by Shermy
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To: Shermy
It's easier to extract hydrogen from oil than from gas and coal.

And this reduces our dependence on oil how????

40 posted on 05/07/2003 12:53:26 PM PDT by Toddsterpatriot
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To: Shermy
"It's easier to extract hydrogen from oil than from gas and coal. "

Actually, from what Ive read, the cheapest way to make hydrogen is from methane, using steam reformation. The idea that hydrogen is a ticket off of hydrocarbons falls apart once you take economics into account. Sure, you can make hydrogen from other sources, like electrolysis, but the cost ofthat is about 10X per joule than gasoline, and there aint no way oil is going to $300/barrel anytime soon.

Almost uniformly they call people foolish, quote "engineers", and talk about "energy inputs" avoiding the "energy inputs" converting oil into gasoline, and transporting the heavy fuel to markets. God forbid they bring facts and practicalities into the debate. :-) Also, did it occur to you that $1.50/gallon takes into account those transportation costs (and about 40% in taxes to boot!!) dont forget that!

93 posted on 05/07/2003 6:47:51 PM PDT by WOSG (Free Iraq! Free Cuba, North Korea, Syria, Iran, Lebanon, Tibet, China...)
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To: Shermy
What about extracting hydrogen from water?

I am sure we can figure out a way to cost-effectively extract and store hydrogen from water. Thoughts?
95 posted on 05/07/2003 6:59:29 PM PDT by Publicus
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