1 posted on
05/07/2003 8:21:56 PM PDT by
ValenB4
To: ValenB4
What an interesting article.
2 posted on
05/07/2003 8:25:53 PM PDT by
ValenB4
(Cathryn Crawford is really cute!)
To: ValenB4
The former Conservative and newfound Anarchist strikes again.
His refusal to see the other side of a debate shows his extremism. (And don't get me started on this Holocaust Revisionists over ideas.)
4 posted on
05/07/2003 8:44:07 PM PDT by
rmlew
("Millions for defense, but not one cent for tribute.")
To: ValenB4; Fred Mertz; gcruse; Senator Pardek; Scenic Sounds; TLBSHOW
An uninteresting, dull, stupid article that still has the ability to make me mad. Nice going, ValenB4.
Read this and then flame this guy, okay?
7 posted on
05/07/2003 8:53:52 PM PDT by
Cathryn Crawford
(ValenB4 is really cute, too.)
To: ValenB4
As for the Iraq war, Bartley concludes, what do the Pope and liberal theologians make of the cheering crowds in Baghdad and Saddams torture chambers? The presidents success has confounded his critics.... Somehow its better, I suspect, for a president to talk to God than to talk to pollsters. The non sequiturs are running almost too fast to keep up with here.
Sobran then launches into a non-sequitur himself by simply ignoring the point, and claiming that Bartley was suggesting the Pope pay attention to opinion polls. The fact is if the Pope had his way thousands would remain in Saddam's torture chambers, hundreds of children would still be rotting a Basra prison for not joining the Saddam Youth, and millions would be living in unimmaginable tyranny. No wonder Sobran chooses not to deal with it.
8 posted on
05/07/2003 8:57:43 PM PDT by
Hugin
To: ValenB4
Did Sobran get Arianna-nized?
9 posted on
05/07/2003 9:00:19 PM PDT by
Consort
To: ValenB4
This piece is rather incoherent. He praises the Pope for not being influenced by polls, while pointing out that the majority of the world agrees with him, and accuses Bush of following the polls while again, pointing out that the majority of the world disagrees with him. It seems Sobran is more impressed by popularity polls than anyone.
This ignores the fact, of course, that Bush has obtained the support he has by hard-fought leadership. The American electorate had to be convinced and he convinced them.
Sobran is impressed that Russia, France, and Germany all opposed our action without examining their collusion in propping up and profiting from Saddam's regime. They armed him, financed him, carried the water for him in the UN, and did business with him like there was no tomorrow.
The opinions of those businessmen impress him, while the willingness of US businessmen to abstain from business dealings with Saddam on moral grounds doesn't.
He rightly points out that Jesus warned us against putting too much importance on the treasures of this world, while failing to note Saddam's billions, and the billions that went to precisely France, Russia, Germany, and the millions more that went to pliant politicians and journalists around the world.
Sobran coyly mocks Bush's religious faith; the man who freed Iraq couldn't possibly be a man of God. But men of God come in more than one flavor. There are the men of God who write opinion pieces, and there are men of God who wear boots and kick in the doors of torture chambers. Sobran shouldn't concern himself with the souls of the rough men who opened the prison doors, or the men who lead them. He should concern himself with the men of God who knew what Saddam was doing and did nothing to stop it.
I think there was a parable about such men.
10 posted on
05/07/2003 9:01:08 PM PDT by
marron
To: ValenB4
Ah, success! Americans are rather notorious for measuring all things by the bitch goddess, success. If you win, it must mean you deserved to win. America loves success stories, from Readers Digest to Business Week to Vanity Fair. You too can be a success! Thats the American gospel. Ah, failure. The left measures all things by the "bitch goddess, failure." If you lose, it must mean you were deceived, taken, exploited, and used for the advantage of another. The left loves failure stories, that's why they cannot look at a liberated country, the people who cheer, the evidence of torture and mass murder and say, this was the right thing to do.
16 posted on
05/07/2003 9:15:41 PM PDT by
Dolphy
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