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Why Bush has trouble selling his tax cut: Chastain blasts GOP for blowing the lid off spending
WorldNetDaily.com ^ | Thursday, May 8, 2003 | Jane Chastain

Posted on 05/08/2003 1:32:12 AM PDT by JohnHuang2

President Bush's plan to stimulate the economy and cut taxes is a good plan. However, he and his Republican colleagues who control the House and Senate have cut the legs out from under it by spending like there is no tomorrow.

The Republican Party traditionally has been the party of "less government," the party that represented fiscal restraint. For 40 long years, when the Democrats controlled Congress from 1954-1993, Republicans were the voice in the wilderness, railing against increased spending and soaring deficits.

In 1994, when Republicans finally got their chance to lead, they held the line for a year and a half and then gave up. When that happened, spending began going up at an alarming rate. "It's all because of Bill Clinton," they complained. "If only we had a Republican president in the White House, then things would change."

They finally got their wish and things changed all right. It's gotten worse, much worse. During Bush first three years in office, real non-defense discretionary outlays, adjusted for inflation, will rise 18 percent. This increase outpaces all recent presidents.

In February, Chris Edwards, director of fiscal policy at the CATO Institute, ran the numbers. Mr. Bush's budget for Fiscal Year 2004 called for an increase in discretionary outlays of 3.5 percent, which follows increases of 7.8 percent in FY 2003 and 13.1 percent in FY 2002.

However, the budget that Mr. Bush presented for FY 2004 is far from a done deal. Traditionally, the president's budget request is treated as a spending floor, not a ceiling. Also, the FY 2003 figures do not include that $70 billion defense supplemental and the supplemental bills that surely will follow before the close of the current fiscal year on October 1.

If you take out the increases in defense discretionary outlays – most of which can be justified – discretionary outlays will rise 3.2 percent in FY 2004, following increases of 7.9 percent in FY 2003 and 12.3 percent in FY 2002.

To be fair, the Senate was controlled by Democrats during Mr. Bush first two years in office. However, the House had just as much clout as the Senate when they went behind the closed doors of a conference committee to hash out the differences in the spending bills. Also, bear in mind, the lion's share of the FY 2003 budget was put off until this year when Republicans controlled both Houses of Congress.

Republicans in the Senate are quick to point out that they don't have the votes to break a filibuster. However, budget bills are not subject to a filibuster. The truth is Bill Frist, the Senate's new majority leader, would not control his own members, who were busy cutting deals with their Democrat colleagues. They agreed to support a record number of pork-barrel projects totaling $22.5 billion.

Hardly the kind of behavior you would expect from Republicans with the economy sputtering, the stock market in the tank, a pending war in Iraq and the coming train wreck on elderly entitlement programs!

According the National Taxpayers Union Foundations, the Senate's "deficit Hawks" who initially trimmed the size of the president's tax cut from for $726 billion down to $350 billion are some of the biggest spenders in Congress.

Senators, who voted to uphold the president's tax cuts, had, in the previous Congress, sponsored or co-sponsored bills that – if enacted all at once – would increase federal spending by an average of $19.5 billion per year. In contrast, senators who voted to slash the tax cut in half (out of concern for the deficit) had sponsored an agenda that would raise spending $89.9 billion per year. They are hypocrites of the worst sort!

Unfortunately, most people simply don't keep tabs on these folks.

However, Mr. Bush has given those big spenders an easy target because he has not been the model of fiscal responsibility. Run the numbers in President Bush's current budget proposal. He plans to increase discretionary outlays from $791 billion in FY 2003 to $926 billion in FY 2008. That means he has proposed that an addition $135 billion in new spending be added to the federal budget in FY 2008. In contrast, his tax cuts that year would reduce federal revenues by just $50 billion (without accounting for the economic growth benefits).

The size of the proposed tax cut, which has been scaled back by the president from $750 billion to $550 billion over 10 years, is not a problem. It's spending by the members of the House, the Senate and, yes, this president that is the problem.


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Thursday, May 8, 2003

Quote of the Day by dave23

1 posted on 05/08/2003 1:32:12 AM PDT by JohnHuang2
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To: JohnHuang2
Lets face reality. Nobody has any idea how much money is being spent, printed, taxed, budgeted, debted, etc. etc. I'm still waiting to hear what happened to the trillion dollars of spending that went unaccounted for during the roaring 90's. Its all a big dog and pony show for public consumption. But if it helps the American consumer's psyche, so be it. This world is so chaotic and crazy, I am more and more looking at it like a Hollywood movie. Waiting for the Good Lord to write the final chapter of this dispensation, and experience the fantastic, supernatural transformation of this hell of a place into His Heavenly Kingdom, in a 3 1/2 year period. A script no Hollywood writer can even imagine.

1 Corinthians 2
9 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.
10 But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.

2 posted on 05/08/2003 1:43:13 AM PDT by Russell Scott (The answer is Jesus Christ, what's the question?)
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To: JohnHuang2
There is a lot of silence on this thread.

Just as I suspected, Dubya is governing just like his Dad. Talk conservative, but expand government like crazy.
3 posted on 05/08/2003 5:34:18 AM PDT by OK
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To: OK
Sometimes it's hard to tell the good guys from the bad guys. At least in the old hollywood movies they wore white and black hats. Often these guys all look the same these days.
4 posted on 05/08/2003 5:42:40 AM PDT by kjam22
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To: OK
Let's wake up the defense PhiKapMom;Howlin;Miss Marple
5 posted on 05/08/2003 5:44:06 AM PDT by joesbucks
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To: OK; PhiKapMom; Howlin; Miss Marple
P I N G
6 posted on 05/08/2003 5:45:29 AM PDT by joesbucks
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To: JohnHuang2
Lots of whining in this piece about "spending" but no specifics on exactly what we're spending it on.

In case it's escaped the notice of the Great Conservative Deficit Hawks (tm), we happen to be at war. We didn't start it and we didn't want it, but we're in it. And we are compelled to spedn money to defend ourselves, especially after 8 years of cuts in the Defense budget by the Clintonista scum who were in charge previously.

Basically, the President AND Congress only gets to argue about how much is spent for about 1/3 of the total budget. They cannot affect entitlements (the other 2/3) and there's no will -- I repeat, NO WILL -- for any entitlement reform on the part of the President, the Congress, or the American electorate.

So what's Bush to do? He can submit a token budget cutting NPR funding and Americorps and some stupid liberal boondoggles that nibble at the margins of the budget. But fundamentally, he has very little flexibility. The big money numbers are in the entitlements and they are untouchable. So he decides to go "supply-side" and hope that tax cuts will induce enough economic activity to create a bigger cash flow to ease the budget deficit.

Maybe it'll work, maybe not. But one thing that I know won't work -- alleged "conservatives" whining about how much Bush is spending. Maybe they'd rather have AlGore running things right now.

7 posted on 05/08/2003 5:52:08 AM PDT by Cincinatus (Omnia relinquit servare Republicam)
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To: Cincinatus
Maybe it'll work, maybe not. But one thing that I know won't work -- alleged "conservatives" whining about how much Bush is spending. Maybe they'd rather have AlGore running things right now.

Maybe you're right about how much impact can be made to the budget without touching entitlements. But we were PROMISED by congressional leadership and the white house that if we have a republican in the White House and congress lead by republicans, what the article is discussing would NOT be an issue. There were not caveats that 2/3 of the budget is untouchable. It was a promise that things could be done to minimize cost and government. The promise is what the root cause of the article is.

Lots of whining in this piece about "spending" but no specifics on exactly what we're spending it on. Chastain clearly points out the $$$ being spent are exclusive of defense spending. So what else is so necessary to increase spending?

Great Conservative Deficit Hawks

I was taught to be a Deficit Hawk by one Ronald Reagan. He preached and preached the deficit as being bad, unless it's for necessary defense. Well, defense is excluded in this analysis. But slowly we've turned from deficits being bad to "we've got to support those things necessary to make changes necessary to keep the economy running smoothly". Seems I used to hear that as a comeback by those on the other side of the aisle from Mr. Reagan.

8 posted on 05/08/2003 6:07:12 AM PDT by joesbucks
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To: joesbucks
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9 posted on 05/08/2003 6:07:37 AM PDT by joesbucks
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To: JohnHuang2
"Run the numbers in President Bush's current budget proposal. He plans to increase discretionary outlays from $791 billion in FY 2003 to $926 billion in FY 2008. That means he has proposed that an addition $135 billion in new spending be added to the federal budget in FY 2008. In contrast, his tax cuts that year would reduce federal revenues by just $50 billion (without accounting for the economic growth benefits)."
A very good recipe for large budget deficits "as far as the eye can see". Sure doesn't sound conservative to me - what ever happened to all the congress critters that were pushing for a balanced budget ammendment just less than 10 years ago - gone to big-time spending/pork to insure re-election.
I sure wish we could have some people in congress that would "walk the walk" rather than just "talk/shout the talk/shout". You can't be for smaller government when you spend like a drunken sailor, just to get re-elected.
10 posted on 05/08/2003 6:09:31 AM PDT by familyofman
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To: OK
He is not a conservative.
11 posted on 05/08/2003 6:10:59 AM PDT by TLBSHOW (the gift is to see the truth)
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To: joesbucks; Cincinnatus
Cincinnatus has alread posted an excellent response.

The only thing I will add to this is the comment that the President is still governing with a slim majority in Congress, and drastic cuts would provoke a revolt from less conservative Republicans.

All in all, given that we are at war, I find the budget quite responsible. I realize some people want draconian cuts in non-military spending, but holding the line is about all that can be expected at this juncture.

And in case it has escaped you, joesbucks, the green-eyeshade people are not particularly viewed with favor by a large portion of the population. That is a hard fact, and until you can get more voters educated on the budget, the political pressure on Congress will be too much for our representatives to withstand.

12 posted on 05/08/2003 6:12:34 AM PDT by Miss Marple
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To: JohnHuang2
Excellent post. I, too, am tired of excuses by those who call themselves conservative of why federal spending must continue to spiral out of control. We know the DemocRATs want to spend tax money like drunken sailors. (My apologies to drunken sailors for the comparison). If Republicans are unwilling to hold the line on spending, who will? I thought they were for limited, smaller government. Maybe its so intoxicating in D.C. to be able to buy votes with other peoples' money that it's hard to resist.
13 posted on 05/08/2003 6:15:54 AM PDT by reelfoot
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To: joesbucks
There were not caveats that 2/3 of the budget is untouchable.

Sorry to have to be the one to bring you the bad news. Now that you know this, what's your budget solution?

Chastain clearly points out the $$$ being spent are exclusive of defense spending. So what else is so necessary to increase spending?

Homeland Security (God, I hate that name!) -- that's bookkept separate from "Defense" categories.

I was taught to be a Deficit Hawk by one Ronald Reagan.

May his memory be blessed. But as I recall the history of the 1980's, The Gipper never let budget deficits bother him all that much. His attitude was one of the right priorities -- defense build-up to fight communism (after 4 years of Democrat weakness, a parallel here I think), tax cuts to stimulate growth (another parallel), and balance the budget (oops! Well, two out of three ain't bad!).

The problem with "deficit hawks" is that they have no real plan to lead us from where we are to where we want to be. It's all well and good to say "cut spending!" but what do you propose to cut? Your "stupid boondoggle" is my "important national program" and vice versa -- how do you get around that? And oh yes, we have a one-vote majority in a body in which one or two nitwits can tie it up indefinitely (I speak of course of the United States Senate).

OK, so all the Republicans in the Executive and the Congress are yutzes. What's your solution? What do you want to cut and what's your strategy to get it through the Congress?

14 posted on 05/08/2003 6:17:54 AM PDT by Cincinatus (Omnia relinquit servare Republicam)
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To: reelfoot
Sending 15 billion for africa so bono can be happy, what BS.
15 posted on 05/08/2003 6:18:34 AM PDT by TLBSHOW (the gift is to see the truth)
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To: Miss Marple
green-eyeshade

I'm not familiar with that term. Can you amplify?

The only thing I will add to this is the comment that the President is still governing with a slim majority in Congress, and drastic cuts would provoke a revolt from less conservative Republicans.

This to you will be nit picky, but to me it goes with our calls for truth and honesty. Never once have we been told that a slim majority is an issue, that is unless something that upsets the grass rooters happens, THEN it's an issue.

I can never remember anytime during the campaigns hearing it's a "slim majority" that we can't live with. It's always been if we control congress and the White House, those things important to conservatives will be accomplished. Regional problems Becasue of population makeup) with people like Snowe, Chaffee and Voinovich are never discussed in general terms, UNLESS something fails to satisfy the grass rooters.

16 posted on 05/08/2003 6:20:19 AM PDT by joesbucks
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To: Cincinatus
Maybe you missed it but Bush's first initiative was expanding the Department of Education. Bush, like his father, believes government is the solution, not the problem. With that mindset, profligate spending is certain to follow.

George H.W. Bush was Reagan's most significant mistake. Had he picked a conservative to be his VP we'd have had a conservative in the White House from '88 - '96 and perhaps thereafter. It would have been a huge improvement over the warmed over Rockefeller Republicanism that's now referred to as Compassionate Conservatism.

17 posted on 05/08/2003 6:22:43 AM PDT by caltrop
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To: joesbucks
Spending orgy . . .



Stephen Moore

Whatever happened to the GOP's crusade against bloated government? President Bush's $2.25 trillion budget released Monday is almost 30 percent larger than the budget he inherited three years ago. Since the Republicans took over Congress in 1995, the budget has grown by 50 percent. If the Republicans are fighting a war against big spenders, the big spenders are winning.

There is much to admire in President Bush's budget released Monday.

The president's $670 billion tax cut will propel economic growth and deprive the spenders in Washington of dollars they would otherwise squander. The proposal to turn more control of Medicaid over to the states is ingenious — and has the potential to spawn health-care reforms at the state level in a manner similar to the dramatically successful state-based welfare reform in the 1990s.

The White House also deserves praise for calling for a substantial expansion of IRAs so Americans can build privately owned pools of capital. This will increase the savings rate in America; will move us closer to a genuine flat tax that ends punitive tax treatment of saving and investment; and will make Americans more financially secure and less dependent on government programs in the future.

But in this budget, as in President Bush's first two, there is way too much government spending. President Bush has requested a 4 percent increase in discretionary programs. Given the $200 billion to $300 billion in deficit spending expected this year, and given that we may soon be fighting a costly war in the Middle East, 4 percent increases in domestic programs — funding for the Legal Services Corp., the National Endowment for the Arts, Bilingual Education, and other such oinkers — is excessively generous in the extreme. Domestic discretionary spending should be at most frozen at current levels at least until the budget is brought back into balance.

If history is any guide, the 4 percent increase in spending is likely to be a floor, not a ceiling on expenditures this year. In recent years, congressional appropriators have nearly doubled President Bush's spending requests. Consequently, the discretionary budget has grown by nearly 15 percent in Mr. Bush's first two years in office — more than it did in President Clinton's first four years in office. In fact, Mr. Bush is on a pace to be the biggest spender in the White House since Lyndon Baines Johnson.

It's not just Democrat obstructionism — in fact, discretionary spending has, after an initial decline, rapidly expanding since Republicans gained control of Congress in 1994. In their first three budgets (fiscal 1996-98), the Republicans increased domestic spending by $183 billion compared to a $155 billion increase in the three years prior to Republican control of Congress. Not a single Cabinet agency has been eliminated. And few of the 300 federal programs that were targeted for closure — a list that included the National Endowment for the Arts, the Legal Services Corp., bilingual education funds, urban transit grants, and Goals 2000 — have actually been terminated. President Bush should call for a Commission to Terminate Wasteful, Inefficient, and Unnecessary Federal Programs.

Spending also is growing faster than the economy, as the Table shows. We are now back to Uncle Sam pick pocketing 20 cents of every dollar we earn. That does not include the money that states and cities take from our paychecks.

President Bush must make the case that during times of war, spending on domestic programs needs to be curtailed until the crisis is over. In most wartime periods in American history, domestic spending has fallen so the nation's resources could be fully deployed to defeat foreign menaces.

The war on terrorism is the top national priority for our government today.

Fixing the economy is a close second. Both of those
priorities are compromised when congressional appropriators waste scarce tax dollars on domestic pork and special-interest projects.

Mr. Bush can reverse the spending spree that has stained his presidency and defend his spending priorities by starting to make aggressive use of the veto pen. Virtually every spending bill Congress has sent to his desk over the past two years has deserved a veto stamp. Powerful presidents like Ronald Reagan and Franklin Roosevelt used the veto to great end to force their spending priorities on Congress. As Mr. Reagan said, "Controlling government spending is like protecting your virtue; you just have to learn to say 'no.' "

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18 posted on 05/08/2003 6:26:36 AM PDT by TLBSHOW (the gift is to see the truth)
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To: Cincinatus
I don't know why the 'real' conservatives even try. You could just have the argument put on a chip and play it over and over again:

1. We're at war, so spending doesn't matter. Bush needs to be glued to his plasma TV screen all day and doesn't have time to watch the pissing away of our money. (This was added recently. What about the other two years?)

2. It's those damn Democrats. Uh, no, it's those damn Republicans.

3. Would you rather have [insert idiot liberal Demo here]? This is the biggest and most popular red herring argument there is. No, I wouldn't rather have some idiot liberal Demo in there, but from a spending perspective you wouldn't know the difference.

Let's face it, folks. Congress AND YOUR SOVEREIGN AND HERO GEORGE W. BUSH can't control the spending of our money which they confiscate too much of. Period.

PS = SUPPLY SIDE? Please name one suggestion, bill, policy or even pearl dropped from his mouth in the past three years that could be considered Supply Side.

19 posted on 05/08/2003 6:28:55 AM PDT by ModernDayCato (Let the flames begin)
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To: caltrop
Reagan never pigeonholed Republcians into categories -- conservatives I like, conservatives I hate, conservatives who don't matter, etc. He picked GHW Bush as a running mate for time-honored reasons of ideological and geographic ticket balance. Practical politics 101 -- too bad he didn't have you in 1980 as an advisor.

On second thought, not "too bad" -- what's the phrase,... Oh yes: "Thank God!"

As far as "big spending" goes, there are some things that are controllable and some things that aren't. Federal spending for education happens to fall mostly in the latter category. Bush tried to make that black pit of spending more accountable, damn his eyes.

But do go on -- I love to hear the completely clueless chastize the "Man in the Arena."

20 posted on 05/08/2003 6:31:56 AM PDT by Cincinatus (Omnia relinquit servare Republicam)
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