[gore3000]

"Faith" is the proud claim that you haven't proved diddly.

You certainly have not. All you do is ask others to prove their point, you never prove yours. You have not given any proof of either evolution or of abiogenesis. All you do is dance around the questions asked of you. For abiogenesis I have already given proof of why it is impossible. For evolution, it certainly cannot be science since science depends on the predictability of results and evolution denies predictability and postulates that it occurs due to random events. Now this 'randomness' (a central part of all atheistic theories since the Greeks) is totally inimical to science which seeks patterns and rules in nature in order to tame it and produce useful results.

[freeper4u]

"For evolution, it certainly cannot be science since science depends on the predictability of results and evolution denies predictability and postulates that it occurs due to random events."

First, evolution is not purely random changes, as has been stated in a previous post. It is random changes plus two other ingrediants: a fitness test (the environment) and a memory to store a history of previous results that have passed the fitness test (DNA)

Second, the process of evolution does not "guarantee" any single result, therefore it does not violate the rule of science that an evolutionary process must be reproducable.

[Doctor Stochastic]

What is your definition of "random"? Would "idependent, identically distributed" be the same? If not, what is the difference?

[donh]

."Faith" is the proud claim that you haven't proved diddly.

You certainly have not. All you do is ask others to prove their point

Gee, you mean I ask for a demonstration of fantastic claims to certainty about the nature of abiogensis--Oh, the horror of it all!

you never prove yours.

Yes...well, but then, I don't make universal claims to certainty, do I? I never claimed I had, needed, cared about, or believed in a proof in any natural science, unlike someone I know, who repeatedly claims to have "proven" that evolution can't have happened.