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3 posted on 05/11/2003 6:55:09 AM PDT by A. Pole
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To: A. Pole
If I am catching the gist of this article, what the author is suggesting is:
  1. Strauss said that ancient philosophers had learned to talk in code; give one front to the masses (aka the mob) and another front for the truth that only the elites could handle.
  2. They learned to do this because philosophy could get them killed; Socrates being an example.
  3. Strauss felt the ancient philosophers were superior to more modern philosophers.
  4. Therefore, it is likely that Strauss was also talking in code, and was a closet atheist and quite Machiavellian.

The part that confuses me is who was going to kill Strauss if he didn't talk in code? If the author is going to say he followed the lead of the ancient philosophers, shouldn't he attempt to show that he faced the same threats that they did, which would cause him to adopt the same approach?

15 posted on 05/11/2003 8:09:15 AM PDT by William McKinley (Our disagreements are politics. Our agreements are principles.)
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To: A. Pole
In Georgia, Jeet= Did you eat?
36 posted on 05/11/2003 10:17:52 AM PDT by Crawdad
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To: A. Pole
Good article, in spite of the objections. When there are creditable reports that a thinker has a public and a private teaching, it inevitably produces rumors and mistrust. And arguments based on his texts become confused and untrustworthy. Is a given statement part of the inner truth or of the outer deception?

LaRouche is clearly no expert on anything. Indeed, he's irrational or insane. Drury also goes overboard, too. We're told that democracy means tolerance, but the attitude of contemporary North American democrats toward critics of their ideology seems to be, "If your're not with us you're against us -- and a Nazi to boot." The earlier, not unreasonable belief that representative government needed responsible elites to guide it seems to have been expelled from democratic ideology and anathematized.

But where there's a real sense that a scholar regards himself and his students as part of a chosen group with privileged insights into reality that may serve as a warrant for worldly influence, it's inevitable that hostility and mistrust will arise. In some way Strauss communicated this elite consciousness to his students and some took it to heart. Drury and others assume that they will never be such an elite themselves and consequently bitterly reject and condemn Leo Strauss. While a thinker may have nothing of the totalitarian about him, the idea of secret teachings does provoke outsiders. And in the long run, it does pose dangers.

Strauss was presented as an opponent of Machiavelli, Heidegger and Schmitt. But lately there has been some debate about this. Strauss's own idea of hidden meanings and his students' riffs on that idea must bear some of the blame. Opposition can take many forms. One may find someone brilliant but disagree with their conclusions. One may agree with the diagnosis but reject the proposed treatment. One may accept the basic analysis but oppose the interests that make use of the philosophy. Or one may regard the philosophy as correct, but dangerous and worthy of suppression. Just what was the nature of Strauss's hostility to those thinkers?

It was always pretty clear that Strauss abhorred Locke. But his much respected student Harry Jaffa and the West Coast Straussians take Strauss for a supporter or admirer of Lockeanism. Go figure.

39 posted on 05/11/2003 10:39:30 AM PDT by x
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Why did you think this would be of particular interest to me?
82 posted on 05/12/2003 6:39:38 AM PDT by MrLeRoy ("That government is best which governs least.")
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Thanks for the bump.
86 posted on 05/12/2003 8:51:18 AM PDT by KC Burke
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