Robert E. Lee Boy Scout Council, Richmond, VA, to be Renamed. More PC for the Boy Scouts...

WRVA Radio ^ | 5/13/03 | VMI70

[VMI70]

This past weekend, my son and I went on his troop's annual father-son hike. His troop is one of many in the Robert E. Lee Council of the Boy Scouts of America, which is headquartered in Richmond, VA.

On Sunday, during the church service at the end of the hike, it was announced that the Council directors had voted to change its name from The Robert E. Lee Council, which has been in use for many decades, to something else.

This morning, the news broke on the local radio station: WRVA 1140 AM, Richmond's Morning News with Jimmy Barrett.

[samuel_adams_us]

Sherman was ruthless, he burned anything and everything.

[Sam's Army]

"you will see that some of my relatives died at the hands of the butcher you are so proud of."

Are reparations in order perhaps?

[samuel_adams_us]

No thanks! We stand on our own feet, we don't need help from anyone, never have, never will.

[annyokie]

He was a horror. Truly blood-thirsty.

[WhiskeyPapa]

You got a list of anybody in the North that wanted negro equality?

No. No you don't. Not even Lincoln.

President Lincoln wrote to the new governor of Louisiana in 1864, Michael Hahn, asking him to consider a provision in the new LA state constitution to allow blacks to vote. President Lincoln said this would help keep the jewel of liberty in the family of freedom.

A year later, President Lincoln came out publicly in support of the franchise for black Union soldiers. That is why Booth shot him.

It is also a simple fact of history that blacks -could- vote in five northern states in 1860.

Walt

[VRWCmember]

What is amazing and unique about the American experience of insurrection and rebellion is that the losers could get such favorable treatment for such inexcusable actions.

I guess that depends on what you consider inexcusable. The colluding of the industrial northern states to destroy the economy of the agrarian southern states was contemptible if not inexcusable. When the southern states found that their constitutional state sovereignty was being eroded and the balance of the congress was becoming stacked against them to their detriment, they decided the only course of action that left them the sovereignty and representation that they had fought in 1776 to obtain was to secede.

You call Lee a traitor because the south lost. If a few key battles in the 1770's had turned out slightly differently, you would be referring to George Washington, Patrick Henry, Thomas Jefferson, Benjamin Franklin, etc as traitors and Benedict Arnold as a hero.

If the south had won, the USA and CSA would probably be strong allies today (like the USA and Britain) and would also probably still be the "superpowers" that the USA is. Slavery would still have been abolished, though probably a generation later than it was, and racial relations would probably have improved more quickly than they did with southerners acting out of civility rather than having Washington dictate policies to them. (just my humble opinions)

[samuel_adams_us]

Booth didn't shoot Lincoln for that reason, Booth was put up to shooting Lincoln by the wealthy. Booth rode across the Potomac that night and actually passed through the guards on the bridge as he had permission to do so from the army, how else could he have made it into Virginia when the capitol was under martial law.

[VMI70]

"kind" - The PC agenda has fostered more unkindness than almost anything I can think of. If the directors think that they are being kind by being PC, then they are mistaken.

"reverent" - I mean reverent, not in the religious sense, but in revering history and its prominent figures.

"brave" - It's not bravery when you know the legions of the PC army are with you as your allies. Those that stand against them are the brave ones, but they are apparently in the minority on this board.

"In short, personal attacks on the Council Directors based on a decision that has valid arguments on both sides is neither helpful to the discussion, nor Scout-like."

You are correct, and I wrote it in the heat of the moment, which was a mistake. However, the reasons given for the change are hollow, which is infuriating. One would expect better from one of the few remaining organizations that has a set of decent values.

What is definitely not Scout-like is not being honest about the motives behind the change and making the change sub rosa. If they were honest and forthright, it would make it much more palatable.

[Sam's Army]

That's great news. But, as you know, the dems want you to be perpetually offended and affected today by things that happened in the past.

[yonif]

If the south had won, the USA and CSA would probably be strong allies today (like the USA and Britain) and would also probably still be the "superpowers" that the USA is.

If the CSA would have won, don't you think they would have tried to take over the North?

[samuel_adams_us]

This is true! The dems are the weak in favor of the weaker.

[Corin Stormhands]

It is also a simple fact of history that blacks -could- vote in five northern states in 1860.

While I am not surpised, you missed my point.

I know a lot of racists who don't mind blacks having the right to vote as long as they stay on their side of the tracks. I grew up with people saying "they're just as good as anybody else." Those same people wouldn't let an African-American in their homes, unless it was as domestic help.

That attitude is prevalent in the North as much as it is in the South. Busing told us that much.

Like I said there were advocates for freedom and voting rights.

There were no advocates for next door neighbors.

THAT's my problem with yankees trying to portray all southernors as racists.

[octobersky]

bttt

[WhiskeyPapa]

Booth didn't shoot Lincoln for that reason...

Yes, he very clearly did.

"On April 14, 1865, after the fall of Richmond rendered moot his kidnap scheme, Booth set in motion his final plan--one of assassination. Booth may have made the decision to kill the President after hearing Lincoln deliver a speech urging Negro suffrage, according to Booth's former friend, Louis Weichmann. Weichmann spoke of his viewing of the the President's speech with Booth:

"I had never seen Mr. Lincoln up close and I knew he was a tall man, however nothing could have prepared me for the sight of him. A long shadow did he have. And his arms, when at his sides, touched near his knees. Very professionally he said that there would never be any suffrage based on differences in the way people look. Upon this, Booth turned to the two of us and said, “That means nigger citizenship. Now by God I’ll put him through!”

http://www.law.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/lincolnconspiracy/booth.html

Three days later, Booth shot Lincoln.

Walt

[samuel_adams_us]

Booth was basically hired to get rid of Lincoln, how else would the Army have orders to let him pass across the potomac, did he pass go and collect $200.00?

[John O]

The proper place for disputes between states to be settled under our system is in Congress, or in the courts. Secession is illegitimate.

It may be now but it wasn't then. A government derives its authority from the consent of the people it governs. If those people want to leave that government (and they comprise a large enough and unanimous area to do it) then they should be allowed to.

The civil war destroyed states rights.

[WhiskeyPapa]

You call Lee a traitor because the south lost. If a few key battles in the 1770's had turned out slightly differently, you would be referring to George Washington, Patrick Henry, Thomas Jefferson, Benjamin Franklin, etc as traitors and Benedict Arnold as a hero.

GW and the rest -were- traitors. What else is new?

Walt

[yonif]

"free men are not equal, equal me are not free"

[annyokie]

I found when I lived in Pennsylvania, that Yankees are much more racist than Southerners. I never heard the "n-word" in my family, but heard it daily while in PA, and by well-educated people.

[John O]

In the first quote he defends the union as developed by our founding fathers. In the second quote he defends the union as developed by our founding fathers. Where's the inconsistency?