Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Should illegal aliens get driver's licenses?
Townhall.com ^ | May 13, 2003 | Phyllis Schafly

Posted on 05/13/2003 4:27:39 PM PDT by UnklGene

Should illegal aliens get driver's licenses? Phyllis Schlafly (archive)

May 13, 2003

The hottest controversy in state legislatures today regards allowing illegal aliens to obtain driver's licenses. Americans were shocked to discover that most of the 19 hijackers on 9/11 carried driver's licenses from Virginia, Florida or New Jersey.

A driver's license is the pass to board a plane, as well as the license to a drive car. It confers a sort of quasi-citizenship and, as described by one illegal alien in Texas, "The driver's license ends up becoming our pass to be in this country."

Since 9/11, 21 states have enacted new legislation to make it harder to get driver's licenses, and legislation has been introduced in another 22 states. Even in Idaho, State Sen. Cecil Ingram told a public hearing, "This has turned out to be a bigger problem than I thought."

The states embarrassed by the 9/11 hijackers have gotten the message. Virginia passed a bill to stop issuing driver's licenses to illegal aliens, and Florida and New Jersey passed legislation to coordinate driver's licenses with immigration visas.

New Jersey, where driver's licenses have been made of paper and do not require a photo, has long been the target of document fraud and counterfeiters. The state is now converting to state-of-the-art digitized driver's licenses with a dozen covert and overt security features, including a mandatory photo, bar code, hologram and digital signature.

Peter Gadiel, whose 23-year-old son James died in the World Trade Center attack, has traveled from Connecticut to Virginia, Maryland, North Carolina and Tennessee to support beefed-up identification laws. Twenty states do not require applicants to prove they are legally in the United States.

Tennessee, another state known to be casual about issuing driver's licenses to illegal aliens, is considering a measure that would require driver's license applicants to present a document showing they are legally in this country. A Tennessee legislative committee also heard testimony about the need to tighten driver's license rules from April Gallop, a survivor of the 9/11 attack on the Pentagon.

Minnesota is trying to address the controversy through rule-making by the Department of Public Safety. The proposed rule would require visitors to present documents to prove they are in the country legally, and the license would expire when their visas expire.

Georgia would seem an unlikely state for immigration controversies, but an estimated 435,000 Hispanics live in Georgia, a 300 percent increase over 1990, according to the U.S. Census. A lively, big group showed up at a hearing in Gainesville from the town of Hall, where at least 19 percent of the population is Hispanic and 85 percent of those are not citizens.

Georgia has been wrangling over a bill that would allow driver's licenses to be obtained by illegal aliens who come only from the "Free Trade Area of the Americas," i.e., from Canada, Latin America and some Caribbean islands.

Among those who spoke against the proposed legislation was retired Col. A.R. "Mac" MacCahan (whose Army unit lost 206 of 212 men fighting in the Korean War). He asked, "What part of illegal don't you understand?" Others ask, why reward people who have committed at least three felonies: illegal entry into the U.S., purchasing fraudulent documents to get a job and misrepresenting the legality of those documents at the workplace?

Kentucky was once one of the easiest states for illegal aliens to get a driver's license. That changed after a 1998 incident in which the Immigration and Naturalization Service arrested a vanload of illegals from Russia who had traveled from New York to Louisville to get driver's licenses.

After that, Kentucky reinstituted a policy of requiring that noncitizens applying for licenses take a written test. County Circuit Clerk Tony Miller said, "We try to be helpful. We offer that test in 21 languages," but Miller didn't explain how it promotes safety to license drivers who can't read the road signs.

Arizona and Mississippi have killed bills to make it easier for illegal aliens to get a driver's license. California Governor Gray Davis has twice vetoed a bill to allow illegal aliens to obtain driver's licenses, but the legislature is still debating this issue.

INS public affairs officer Garrison Courtney identified one of the biggest problems: "If they were illegal when they came here, it's very difficult to determine who they really are because they've created illegal IDs for themselves."

The Seattle Times reported that one U.S. Department of Justice raid discovered piles of cash totaling $95,262, plus $10,000 worth of computer equipment and specialty papers that had been used to print 800 fake driver's licenses, green cards, work permits, Mexican birth certificates and Social Security cards.

Many are concerned about the danger from issuing licenses to terrorists who might use trucks loaded with gasoline or other hazardous materials in the same way that hijackers used commercial airliners on 9/11.

The U.S. Transportation Department reported last year that we lack sufficient safeguards, particularly from the many states that do not require applicants to prove they are legally in the country.

©


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government
KEYWORDS: driverslicense; id; illegalimmigration; phyllisschafly
Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-2021-4041-6061-8081-91 next last
To: Joe Bfstplk
They should be licensed only if they are driving back to their country of origin.

I like your idea better.

41 posted on 05/13/2003 6:14:11 PM PDT by Michael Barnes
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 33 | View Replies]

To: UnklGene
Hell No!
42 posted on 05/13/2003 6:54:26 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: ReagansShinyHair
Those in the DMV can be paid off fairly cheaply, it seems. What about stricter control of that?

One of the LA TV stations did a undercover oiece on how easy it was to obtain a "Legal" drivers license. They had bought an employee on the inside, and the illegal paid someone outside, that gave him a special bracelet to wear inside. When he showed up with the bracelet, meaning he had paid the fee, the crooked employee, faked the records and issued him a "legal" driving license.

43 posted on 05/13/2003 7:25:55 PM PDT by itsahoot (Drive SUV's prevent Earth from freezing.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 13 | View Replies]

To: UnklGene
alt
alt Atlas Reverse Dictionary Rhyming Dictionary Dictionary Thesaurus Merriam-Webster Unabridged

One entry found for no.
Entry Word: no
Function: adverb
Text: --used as a function word to express negation, dissent, denial, or refusal <no, you can't come with me>
Synonyms nay, ||nit, ||nix, ||nope
Idioms by no manner of means, by no means, in no case, no dice, not at any price, not for love or money, not for the life of me, not for the world, nothing doing, not on your life, no way, on no account, on no condition, under no circumstances

44 posted on 05/13/2003 7:31:53 PM PDT by Psycho_Bunny
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: UnklGene
Should illegal aliens get driver's licenses?

Well, the way I see it is that a driver's license is a state document issued to citizens of a state. By issuing a driver's license to illegal immigrants is a defacto granting of state citizenship to that illegal.

By setting that precedent of defacto state citizenship through driver's license issuance then those illegals will/should be granted all other state citizenship privileges such as voting in state and municipal elections etc.

So what's next? It is pathetic sight to watch our country slowly give up its identity and sovereignty just to accomodate politicians in their quest for votes.

45 posted on 05/13/2003 7:45:59 PM PDT by varon
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: roadcat
Hmmm, $2000 a piece for illegals to get licenses...maybe that would help Kalifornia's budget this year. Good idea.
46 posted on 05/13/2003 7:47:43 PM PDT by ReagansShinyHair
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 26 | View Replies]

To: UnklGene
No! Driving is a privilege paid for by American tax payers.
47 posted on 05/13/2003 7:53:03 PM PDT by PatrioticAmerican (to hell with the spyplane - AC130 gunship)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: UnklGene
Let's see what is the clearest way that I can say this?

Noooooooooooooooooo!

What part of "illegal" do people not understand?

48 posted on 05/13/2003 9:34:04 PM PDT by LiteKeeper
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: F16Fighter; dennisw; Marine Inspector; Aliska; Drill Alaska; Black Agnes; gubamyster; ...
bttt
49 posted on 05/14/2003 1:27:22 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: UnklGene
No driver's license.
50 posted on 05/14/2003 1:29:00 PM PDT by Chancellor Palpatine
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Tailgunner Joe
Not just "No" but "Hell No"
51 posted on 05/14/2003 1:34:22 PM PDT by SAMWolf ((A)bort (R)etry (S)acrifice to random Goddess????)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 49 | View Replies]

To: UnklGene
LINKS OF INTEREST:

American Patrol.com

The Stein Report

Center for Immigration Studies

Numbers USA

California Coalition for Immigration Reform

Colorado Alliance for Immigration Reform

CensusScope.org

"Immigrants, Not Americans, Must Adapt"

52 posted on 05/14/2003 1:36:14 PM PDT by Cindy
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Billy_bob_bob
In my estimation you've boiled this whole ill. imm. issue down to one question. Are we still a nation of laws...or not? Assisting, harboring or hiring an illegal is against federal law, yet many co's could care about that as well as all the federal taxes evaded in the process. The disparity between those co's and citizens that follow the law vs. those that thumb their nose at it continues to grow larger every single day. The worst part is that many of these large corporations "lobby" their bought and paid for legislators to create "illegal friendly" welfare style programs that saves huge amounts of $ for the corps. because the basic living needs for workers are passed on the suckers......er, taxpayers.
53 posted on 05/14/2003 1:58:14 PM PDT by american spirit (ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION = NATIONAL SUICIDE)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: Tailgunner Joe
The answer that I would give to the question is yes, but they should be clearly marked, "Non-Citizen" with a six month expiration.
54 posted on 05/14/2003 2:19:20 PM PDT by Eva
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 49 | View Replies]

To: UnklGene
To obtain a driver's license don't you have to prove that you legally reside in that state? And, if you legally reside within that state, do you then legally reside within the country?
55 posted on 05/14/2003 2:25:08 PM PDT by Pan_Yans Wife (Lurking since 2000.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: UnklGene
There really is an Alice In Wonderland quality about even having this discussion. Let us take a moment to put things in the context of the times. At no time, of course, would it be a rational concept to license people who should be deported. What about being a scofflaw should entitle anyone to a driver's license? The idea is silly.

But this is not anytime. We have lately shaken up Governments from the town hall to the Federal in Washington; we are supposed to be under a threat from terrorists who hate and despise us. Will anyone argue that these illegal immigrants do not pose a clear and immediate security risk?

No, I am not suggesting that the Mexican Mestizo is a natural ally of the near Eastern Arab, or a central Asian religious fanatic. But whom would be more easily corruptible into aiding such a terrorist? Would anyone suggest that a middle class American, steeped in the values of George Washington, proud of American ancestry going back generations, is--on average--likely to be as easy to bribe or corrupt into assisting an attack on his neighbors, as someone with no respect for that ancestry or heritage, who sneaked over the border to find work?

The Homeland Security concept is rendered no better than an attempt at satire, so long as we have an open border, and take an indiscriminate view towards immigration.

William Flax Return Of The Gods Web Site

56 posted on 05/14/2003 2:30:31 PM PDT by Ohioan
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: UnklGene
Should illegal aliens get driver's licenses?

HELL NO!

57 posted on 05/14/2003 2:41:19 PM PDT by Just another Joe (FReeping can be addictive and helpful to your mental health)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: UnklGene
http://www.nytimes.com/2003/05/14/politics/14IMMI.html
58 posted on 05/14/2003 2:49:40 PM PDT by Pan_Yans Wife (Lurking since 2000.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Tailgunner Joe
NO!

thanks for the ping!

59 posted on 05/14/2003 3:43:26 PM PDT by madfly
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 49 | View Replies]

To: Free the USA; Libertarianize the GOP; HiJinx; Carry_Okie; Spiff; JackelopeBreeder; Tancredo Fan; ...
Phyllis Schlafly ping!
60 posted on 05/14/2003 3:50:38 PM PDT by madfly
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-2021-4041-6061-8081-91 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson